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DrFist

hi all, i'm looking to read mike's articles from when he was competing. in his books from the 90's, does he re-hash work from his competition days?

how was he able to write so much in the 70's on just bodybuilding?

thanks
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EricB

Missouri, USA

I believe parts of HIT the Mike Mentzer Way and Wisdom of Mike Mentzer had parts that rehashed from the 70s and 80s when John Little put them together. From the way they read, all of Heavy Duty 1 and 2 were new in my opinion.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

The stuff from the 90s only pointed to the fact of how differently it was for him to train 'normal folk' compared to genetically gifted and "supplemented" people like he and his brother.

His writings for the mags and his training chapbooks were his sources of income in the late 70s.
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gerry-hitman

I have read some of Mike's actual training journals where he mentions steroid doses taken and they were VERY small by today's standards, NOTHING..40mg deca etc

With Mike's development I truly believe it was HIT and genetics more so than the steroids
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Turpin

gerry-hitman wrote:
I have read some of Mike's actual training journals where he mentions steroid doses taken and they were VERY small by today's standards, NOTHING..40mg deca etc

With Mike's development I truly believe it was HIT and genetics more so than the steroids


But Gerry , Mikes advocated training back in the early 80`s ( of which I have all the booklets ) was x 4 days weekly ... 2 on 1 off 2 on .. with volume that would kill the drug free IF the advocated intensity level was adhered to.
Whilst Mikes work ( intensity wise ) was contrary to what most practised back then , there was no way that such intensity could have been applied/maintained drug free. And since he had already built a lot of muscle mass with a more volumetric approach one cannot credit his physique to HIT training alone. His drug use WAS mentioned in his `Heavy Duty Journal` but ( in my opinion ) I would take any top bodybuilders written word on such with a pinch of salt , and moreso if they are attempting to `sell` a system of training that beats all others.

Im not knocking Mentzer , he was very influential to my thoughts on training & moreso recovery thru the years ( & remains so ) but from my own experiences I dont agree with ALL that he wrote.

T.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Gerry... although Mike admitted to drug use (he likely knew that it was obvious in the eyes of others, so why lie?), I don't believe he came clean in terms of how much he used. When I worked with him in the 1990s, and when he was going to 'show the world' how effective consolidation training was, he bought some gear to help support his training, and it was a tad more (to be blunt) than what he admitted to when he was competing at the Mr. O level. It's genetics and drugs that make the difference, and not the training. Obviously good, quality training is important, but with good genetics and drugs you can make a lot more mistakes in training prescription and get away with it. If you don't think this is the case, then I suggest you get to know some competitors at the national and professional level and the veil may slowly pull back on the subject.
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fbcoach

Brian Johnston wrote:
Gerry... although Mike admitted to drug use (he likely knew that it was obvious in the eyes of others, so why lie?), I don't believe he came clean in terms of how much he used. When I worked with him in the 1990s, and when he was going to 'show the world' how effective consolidation training was, he bought some gear to help support his training, and it was a tad more (to be blunt) than what he admitted to when he was competing at the Mr. O level. It's genetics and drugs that make the difference, and not the training. Obviously good, quality training is important, but with good genetics and drugs you can make a lot more mistakes in training prescription and get away with it. If you don't think this is the case, then I suggest you get to know some competitors at the national and professional level and the veil may slowly pull back on the subject.


Hey,
You're one of the few HIT advocates I respect. I used to visit your I.A.R.T. site quite frequently for training information. Perhaps you could start a thread discussing some of your ideas on Weight Training now. I am sure it would be appreciated by many here. It doesn't have to be too time consuming, but since posting here, I sense you have a lot to offer the members here. from an insider's perspective.
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DrFist

does anyone know where i can read his articles from the 70's and 80's? or even the 90's?

thanks
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

DrFist wrote:
does anyone know where i can read his articles from the 70's and 80's? or even the 90's?

thanks


Those old M&Fs show up on eBay from time to time. Typically, the guys who sell them are asking a pretty healthy amount for them.
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kulitsa

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
When I worked with him in the 1990s, and when he was going to 'show the world' how effective consolidation training was, he bought some gear to help support his training, and it was a tad more (to be blunt) than what he admitted to when he was competing at the Mr. O level. It's genetics and drugs that make the difference, and not the training.


I am not even surprised. His books always looked to me like a very talented sales pitch, rather than a successful training system.
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DrFist

simon-hecubus wrote:
DrFist wrote:
does anyone know where i can read his articles from the 70's and 80's? or even the 90's?

thanks

Those old M&Fs show up on eBay from time to time. Typically, the guys who sell them are asking a pretty healthy amount for them.


is there anything available online?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Gerry... although Mike admitted to drug use (he likely knew that it was obvious in the eyes of others, so why lie?), I don't believe he came clean in terms of how much he used. When I worked with him in the 1990s, and when he was going to 'show the world' how effective consolidation training was, he bought some gear to help support his training, and it was a tad more (to be blunt) than what he admitted to when he was competing at the Mr. O level. It's genetics and drugs that make the difference, and not the training. Obviously good, quality training is important, but with good genetics and drugs you can make a lot more mistakes in training prescription and get away with it. If you don't think this is the case, then I suggest you get to know some competitors at the national and professional level and the veil may slowly pull back on the subject.


It's genetics and drugs that make the difference, and not the training.

==Scott==
I agree. If you've got great genetics and your body can make use of the drugs optimally then the workouts are not the significant factor. They have to workout but so long as they work out fairly hard it isn't that important which exact routine they do.High reps, low reps, splits or whatever. If they pump iron alot it turns to muscle.
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Tony Williams

DrFist wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
DrFist wrote:
does anyone know where i can read his articles from the 70's and 80's? or even the 90's?

thanks

Those old M&Fs show up on eBay from time to time. Typically, the guys who sell them are asking a pretty healthy amount for them.

is there anything available online?


Type "Mike Mentzer articles" into Google.

His articles for his website, mikementzer.com, are still available also.

Tony

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Here's one right now, but it's only Ray:
http://www.ebay.com/...=item1e6f12c4b6

There were 241 general "Muscle and Fitness" listings on eBay as of tonight. The problem is that, other than the cover, there is often not much info provided on each issue.

When I get a chance, I will try to put together a list of MM articles from my own M&F collection.
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DrFist

ok, great thanks. i'd love to read more articles by Mike from the 70's and 80's.

i'm reading this now:

www.trulyhuge.com/news/tips48.htm
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Dan_The_man

This is why I find the Grymkowski interview so interesting. Its obviously closer to the truth. 10mg of Dianabol could probably be taken once a day daily by many a man for a lifetime and make about the same different as a parcetamol pill.

Dan
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