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Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
Edward
Edward, pretty transparent that your only response to my post is about Josh's videos but in my effort to give you the straight scoop I'll humor you.
On the one that I watched, what you see on Josh's video of the MedX Compound row (not the Renex), is much more a representation of Fred Hahn's SlowBurn protocol than the SS/Renex protocol.
If I remember correctly Josh does 3 reps and fails on the 4th in under a minute with the entire stack plus. Josh is smart enough to know that you have to use heavy weights and low reps/TUL's and NOT watch the clock for that magical 10/10 to make gains.
Now go over to the Renex site and watch what they really do. Again, light weights and 2 minute TUL's.
Edward, it's up to you if you'd like to join the 'I told you so club'. You've been informed.
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
Edward
Edward, pretty transparent that your only response to my post is about Josh's videos but in my effort to give you the straight scoop I'll humor you.
On the one that I watched, what you see on Josh's video of the MedX Compound row (not the Renex), is much more a representation of Fred Hahn's SlowBurn protocol than the SS/Renex protocol.
If I remember correctly Josh does 3 reps and fails on the 4th in under a minute with the entire stack plus. Josh is smart enough to know that you have to use heavy weights and low reps/TUL's and NOT watch the clock for that magical 10/10 to make gains.
Now go over to the Renex site and watch what they really do. Again, light weights and 2 minute TUL's.
Edward, it's up to you if you'd like to join the 'I told you so club'. You've been informed.
Mr.Davidson,
Mr.Trentini is trained by Mr.Hutchins and trains on Mr.Hutchins equipment per his protocol.
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
Edward
Edward, pretty transparent that your only response to my post is about Josh's videos but in my effort to give you the straight scoop I'll humor you.
On the one that I watched, what you see on Josh's video of the MedX Compound row (not the Renex), is much more a representation of Fred Hahn's SlowBurn protocol than the SS/Renex protocol.
If I remember correctly Josh does 3 reps and fails on the 4th in under a minute with the entire stack plus. Josh is smart enough to know that you have to use heavy weights and low reps/TUL's and NOT watch the clock for that magical 10/10 to make gains.
Now go over to the Renex site and watch what they really do. Again, light weights and 2 minute TUL's.
Edward, it's up to you if you'd like to join the 'I told you so club'. You've been informed.
Mr.Davidson,
Mr.Trentini is trained by Mr.Hutchins and trains on Mr.Hutchins equipment per his protocol.
Edward
Just not getting it are you Edward. Go back, re-read and try to ask some intelligent questions or make some intelligent statements. Otherwise, since you've drank the Cool-Aid, spend your time and money and find out the hard way like so many others before you.
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
Edward
Edward, pretty transparent that your only response to my post is about Josh's videos but in my effort to give you the straight scoop I'll humor you.
On the one that I watched, what you see on Josh's video of the MedX Compound row (not the Renex), is much more a representation of Fred Hahn's SlowBurn protocol than the SS/Renex protocol.
If I remember correctly Josh does 3 reps and fails on the 4th in under a minute with the entire stack plus. Josh is smart enough to know that you have to use heavy weights and low reps/TUL's and NOT watch the clock for that magical 10/10 to make gains.
Now go over to the Renex site and watch what they really do. Again, light weights and 2 minute TUL's.
Edward, it's up to you if you'd like to join the 'I told you so club'. You've been informed.
Mr.Davidson,
Mr.Trentini is trained by Mr.Hutchins and trains on Mr.Hutchins equipment per his protocol.
Edward
Just not getting it are you Edward. Go back, re-read and try to ask some intelligent questions or make some intelligent statements. Otherwise, since you've drank the Cool-Aid, spend your time and money and find out the hard way like so many others before you.
Mr.Davidson,
Again you are rude and combative and not deserving of any response.
I believe the intelligent thing to do is what I have done and experience the workout. My impressions were very similar to those of Dr.McGuff.
I don't have any questions for you. Based on the emotional nature of your response it appears that you might be trying to convince yourself of something. I've used the machines, I watched real time workouts, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
The fact is they like the machines but not enough to purchase them. That tells me they don't think the "improvement" is worth the price and the results versus what they already own isn't significantly better regardless of their opinion.
tifhw wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
" when you are trying to create instruments to oppose muscle and joint function."
Oppose joint function? Shall we just assume you didn't really mean that?
LOL Ace! Well Tim certainly won't be able to budge the weightstack on those instruments ;)
I can see why team Ren-Ex is upset though; it sounds from the pinky assessment as though Ren-Ex has replaced Jones aggressive CAM with something too passive, easy to perform long winded repetitions with.
Couple that with Fred showing up the only muscular Ren-Ex athlete for not actually training that way and "Ren-Ex as the best way to build muscle" really starts to fray.
The hairy guy?
He is not muscular and is not RenEx.
Tifhw,
yes the hairy guy does not train Ren-Ex, but you seem to be confusing muscularity with bodyfat levels; lean athletes may appear to carry more muscle than they have.
The hairy guy (Fred) is both more muscular and fatter than all of the Ren-Ex athletes aside from Josh whom I agree is carrying more bodyfat and muscle than the hairy guy hands down.
IMO the hairy guy's training is going to build more muscle than Ren-Ex since he uses a much shorter TUL.
Turpin wrote:
`Jittery Edward` wrote; I've used the machines, I watched real time workouts, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Edward
....................................
LOL... What you mean is that you are a Ren-Ex `troll` who pretended in past threads to be merely an interested bystander.
Wouldnt surprise me if you & one of the Ren-Ex posters are one & the same ( multiple account/user ).
T.
Mr.Turpin,
I have not pretended any thing. I have done far more than others here. I went to the source and experienced the protocol. I'm not sure how anyone can have an opinion otherwise.
jitterbug wrote:
Turpin wrote:
`Jittery Edward` wrote; I've used the machines, I watched real time workouts, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Edward
....................................
LOL... What you mean is that you are a Ren-Ex `troll` who pretended in past threads to be merely an interested bystander.
Wouldnt surprise me if you & one of the Ren-Ex posters are one & the same ( multiple account/user ).
T.
Mr.Turpin,
I have not pretended any thing. I have done far more than others here. I went to the source and experienced the protocol. I'm not sure how anyone can have an opinion otherwise.
Edward
Jittery Edward , I feel that perhaps you were at the `source` from the onset !
Tomislav wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Acerimmer1 wrote:
" when you are trying to create instruments to oppose muscle and joint function."
Oppose joint function? Shall we just assume you didn't really mean that?
LOL Ace! Well Tim certainly won't be able to budge the weightstack on those instruments ;)
I can see why team Ren-Ex is upset though; it sounds from the pinky assessment as though Ren-Ex has replaced Jones aggressive CAM with something too passive, easy to perform long winded repetitions with.
Couple that with Fred showing up the only muscular Ren-Ex athlete for not actually training that way and "Ren-Ex as the best way to build muscle" really starts to fray.
The hairy guy?
He is not muscular and is not RenEx.
Tifhw,
yes the hairy guy does not train Ren-Ex, but you seem to be confusing muscularity with bodyfat levels; lean athletes may appear to carry more muscle than they have.
The hairy guy (Fred) is both more muscular and fatter than all of the Ren-Ex athletes aside from Josh whom I agree is carrying more bodyfat and muscle than the hairy guy hands down.
IMO the hairy guy's training is going to build more muscle than Ren-Ex since he uses a much shorter TUL.
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Then I would have to ask myself what the purpose of the original post by renex is if renex machines were not there, jitterbug.
Correction on my last post, one, not some, probably tried the renex row, although not at the conference. Tim mentioned renex was just as ridiculous, if not worse, than the Hutchins modified medx. Sounds to me like Tim has probably tried the renex row.
If Tim's comment about the renex row isn't what renex is taking issue with, then the Hutchins-modified medx row that was tried out at the conference must be extremely similar to the renex row for renex to take issue with the comment about the Hutchins modified medx row.
crazeeJZ wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Then I would have to ask myself what the purpose of the original post by renex is if renex machines were not there, jitterbug.
Correction on my last post, one, not some, probably tried the renex row, although not at the conference. Tim mentioned renex was just as ridiculous, if not worse, than the Hutchins modified medx. Sounds to me like Tim has probably tried the renex row.
If Tim's comment about the renex row isn't what renex is taking issue with, then the Hutchins-modified medx row that was tried out at the conference must be extremely similar to the renex row for renex to take issue with the comment about the Hutchins modified medx row.
So, you have an opinion of somebody who have en opinion of somebody who maybe tried the machine?
Sounds like bullet proof evidence to me!
Seriously, just drop it. Until anybody themselves actually tried the machine you talk about, I couldn't care less about your opinions about the machine. Just bs all over.
According to Josh, a single session on the RenEx machines is not worth the effort. He said it takes a minimum of several days to become familiar with the protocol (this is what I was told by Josh himself when I was willing to fly in for a Saturday session some months back).
So your "I tried the machine" now makes me qualified to spout nonsense is meaningless per Josh himself and if you've used the machines long enough to learn the protocol then you're being completely dishonest.
As I stated earlier go to the RenEx website, this is a HIT forum, not the magical mystery SuperSlow Redux 2012 tour.
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Dan Davidson wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Edward, it's noble of you to try and come to the defense of SuperSlow/Renex but save your keystrokes.
There are enough people that read and/or post on this board that know all about the feel of SuperSlow cams.
The old SS masters and SS Guild members truly believed, were almost as arrogant, and gave it their all for 5 plus years with ALL the SS retrofits and same protocol as today's.
While this type of radical falloff combined with light weights and long TUL's my have application for the sick and elderly it did not and will not bring athletes/bodybuilders to their genetic potential.
Believe me this was not for lack of trying.
Tim Ryan and Fred Hahn developed the equipment and protocol that works and is based on Arthur's original principles.
Mr.Davidson,
Have you seen Mr.Trentini's videos? Light weights?
Edward
Edward, pretty transparent that your only response to my post is about Josh's videos but in my effort to give you the straight scoop I'll humor you.
On the one that I watched, what you see on Josh's video of the MedX Compound row (not the Renex), is much more a representation of Fred Hahn's SlowBurn protocol than the SS/Renex protocol.
If I remember correctly Josh does 3 reps and fails on the 4th in under a minute with the entire stack plus. Josh is smart enough to know that you have to use heavy weights and low reps/TUL's and NOT watch the clock for that magical 10/10 to make gains.
Now go over to the Renex site and watch what they really do. Again, light weights and 2 minute TUL's.
Edward, it's up to you if you'd like to join the 'I told you so club'. You've been informed.
Mr.Davidson,
Mr.Trentini is trained by Mr.Hutchins and trains on Mr.Hutchins equipment per his protocol.
Edward
Just not getting it are you Edward. Go back, re-read and try to ask some intelligent questions or make some intelligent statements. Otherwise, since you've drank the Cool-Aid, spend your time and money and find out the hard way like so many others before you.
Mr.Davidson,
Again you are rude and combative and not deserving of any response.
I believe the intelligent thing to do is what I have done and experience the workout. My impressions were very similar to those of Dr.McGuff.
I don't have any questions for you. Based on the emotional nature of your response it appears that you might be trying to convince yourself of something. I've used the machines, I watched real time workouts, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Edward
Questions for you Edward?.....sure, ok, I'll play.....Since you say your as old as Scott and I, mid 50's, why do you address us as Mr.??
Why are your answers to questions very elementary. As if you're a child?
Do you know the history of SS/Renex? Explain.
Have you ever felt or trained on any of the SS retrofits?
Tim Ryan states that the Renex fall off is even more 'ridiculous' than the SS retrofits. What does he mean by this?
Let's start there.
Oh yeah, and give me a success story bodybuilding wise using the SS/Renex protocol....and please, if you say Josh, the board will have a collective laugh.
J-son wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Then I would have to ask myself what the purpose of the original post by renex is if renex machines were not there, jitterbug.
Correction on my last post, one, not some, probably tried the renex row, although not at the conference. Tim mentioned renex was just as ridiculous, if not worse, than the Hutchins modified medx. Sounds to me like Tim has probably tried the renex row.
If Tim's comment about the renex row isn't what renex is taking issue with, then the Hutchins-modified medx row that was tried out at the conference must be extremely similar to the renex row for renex to take issue with the comment about the Hutchins modified medx row.
So, you have an opinion of somebody who have en opinion of somebody who maybe tried the machine?
Sounds like bullet proof evidence to me!
Seriously, just drop it. Until anybody themselves actually tried the machine you talk about, I couldn't care less about your opinions about the machine. Just bs all over.
//Jonas
Do you really believe anyone would pay that kind of money to TRY the machines? Let's say for arguments sake, you trained on the machines for 12 weeks and made some progress. Who's to say it wasn't just the change that was responsible? Afterall, changing routines can bring about different adaptations. Why should anyone pay this kind of money when you can get as good or better results from something cheaper? Please don't say because these are more optimal. There is no reason or proof to believe that.
fbcoach wrote:
J-son wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Then I would have to ask myself what the purpose of the original post by renex is if renex machines were not there, jitterbug.
Correction on my last post, one, not some, probably tried the renex row, although not at the conference. Tim mentioned renex was just as ridiculous, if not worse, than the Hutchins modified medx. Sounds to me like Tim has probably tried the renex row.
If Tim's comment about the renex row isn't what renex is taking issue with, then the Hutchins-modified medx row that was tried out at the conference must be extremely similar to the renex row for renex to take issue with the comment about the Hutchins modified medx row.
So, you have an opinion of somebody who have en opinion of somebody who maybe tried the machine?
Sounds like bullet proof evidence to me!
Seriously, just drop it. Until anybody themselves actually tried the machine you talk about, I couldn't care less about your opinions about the machine. Just bs all over.
//Jonas
Do you really believe anyone would pay that kind of money to TRY the machines? Let's say for arguments sake, you trained on the machines for 12 weeks and made some progress. Who's to say it wasn't just the change that was responsible? Afterall, changing routines can bring about different adaptations. Why should anyone pay this kind of money when you can get as good or better results from something cheaper? Please don't say because these are more optimal. There is no reason or proof to believe that.
I asked the same question before. Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell? Worse yet is the actual protocol of 2 minute tul's. I do understand now how that is possible with there being no load in the contracted position. Ren-ex is simply ridiculous as are their spokesmen.
summaHIT wrote:
fbcoach wrote:
J-son wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
crazeeJZ wrote:
Renex is lacking a little in the thinking department. They have clearly stated renex machines are not for the way most people workout, and when some of those people try out the machines and see that the machines are indeed not for them, renex takes issue with the confirmation. LOL.
Reminds me of some arguments I've had with women.
Mr. CrazzeJz,
It has been confirmed that the RenEx machines were not at this event hence they were not tested.
No one tried them.
Edward
Then I would have to ask myself what the purpose of the original post by renex is if renex machines were not there, jitterbug.
Correction on my last post, one, not some, probably tried the renex row, although not at the conference. Tim mentioned renex was just as ridiculous, if not worse, than the Hutchins modified medx. Sounds to me like Tim has probably tried the renex row.
If Tim's comment about the renex row isn't what renex is taking issue with, then the Hutchins-modified medx row that was tried out at the conference must be extremely similar to the renex row for renex to take issue with the comment about the Hutchins modified medx row.
So, you have an opinion of somebody who have en opinion of somebody who maybe tried the machine?
Sounds like bullet proof evidence to me!
Seriously, just drop it. Until anybody themselves actually tried the machine you talk about, I couldn't care less about your opinions about the machine. Just bs all over.
//Jonas
Do you really believe anyone would pay that kind of money to TRY the machines? Let's say for arguments sake, you trained on the machines for 12 weeks and made some progress. Who's to say it wasn't just the change that was responsible? Afterall, changing routines can bring about different adaptations. Why should anyone pay this kind of money when you can get as good or better results from something cheaper? Please don't say because these are more optimal. There is no reason or proof to believe that.
I asked the same question before. Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell? Worse yet is the actual protocol of 2 minute tul's. I do understand now how that is possible with there being no load in the contracted position. Ren-ex is simply ridiculous as are their spokesmen.
Hey Summa,
I wouldn't say it was ridiculous. That's the reason I didn't respond to their threads. I kept waiting to see when they would show some sort of proof. I really couldn't make a whole lot out of it with all the bickering. It did come across as a marketing strategy, but that was only my perception. There may be some use for their protocol, but again, I couldn't quite make out their specific recommendations.
They must be very expensive as Josh refused to release the information. He said it would only be shared with pre qualified buyers. I would think they are way above the average price of any other comparable machine.
Remember this is Hutchins second get rich quick idea with Josh providing the capital. Hence his attitude and stress over RenEx or SuperSlow grown up.
Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell?
I guess for the same reasons you buy a membership to a gym and goes there to use their "ineffective" machines instead of a barbell at home.
Anybody know you don't need a machine to build muscle, still it can be a useful tool IMO.
//jonas
You seem to miss the point every time.
What I was trying to convey is that the Ren-ex equipment seems to be priced on the high end, the contracted position has zero resistance, and the protocol is endurance training.
I never said anything negative about machines.
"Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell? "
Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell?
I guess for the same reasons you buy a membership to a gym and goes there to use their "ineffective" machines instead of a barbell at home.
Anybody know you don't need a machine to build muscle, still it can be a useful tool IMO.
//jonas
You seem to miss the point every time.
What I was trying to convey is that the Ren-ex equipment seems to be priced on the high end, the contracted position has zero resistance, and the protocol is endurance training.
I never said anything negative about machines.
"Why would someone pay that much for machines that can only offer marginal benefits over existing machines or even a barbell? "
Read it again.
The point is: Since you have not experienced them, you don't know what you are talking about. If they are priced correct or not, you have no clue, do you get that?
