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sgb2112

Phil Heath hangs on to beat Kai Greene for his second Mr. O title.

"One was good. The second? Even better.

Phil Heath solidified his place atop the bodybuilding mountaintop with his second straight Olympia win on Saturday night. It wasn?t easy.

Heath had to withstand a two-day onslaught from perhaps the best version of Kai Greene we?ve ever seen. The contest was so close, the judges had to compare the two one final time during the confirmation round ? and even then it wasn?t a knockout.

But Heath showed his championships mettle, going after Greene in both comparisons ? so much so that head judge Sandy Williamson had to urge the two to hit poses as they engaged in a game of chicken on center stage, each waiting for the other to move first during most of the first callout.

Shawn Rhoden, competing in his second Olympia, continued his banner year by placing third over some of the biggest names in the sport. Dexter Jackson managed to turn back to the clock with his best performance in years and was rewarded with fourth.

Branch Warren placed a disappointing fifth, but wasn?t himself on either night, lacking his traditional hardness and fullness.

Dennis Wolf also came in off his best but still managed to place sixth."


http://youtu.be/fkwhQYvKOeA
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sgb2112

Also shown at the Mr.O was this trailer. From the producer of Pumping Iron..

Generation Iron

http://youtu.be/...NFbsThmqFs?hd=1
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sgb2112

Iris Kyle wins for the 8th time. Here she is standing next to Jay Cutler.

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=6RpmB8RgTzo

And the best part, the Miss Bikini prejudging.

http://youtu.be/mlUAePdi6lk
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Tony Williams

No wonder bodybuilding is not in the Olympics.

Few want to peek at the freaks.

Tony
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pharaoh1063

This year's contest was a good one. Glad to see Kai get his stomach under control and realize that he has plenty enough mass to accomplish the task. All he needed to do was to cut up the mass that he already has and he did that, finally.

I didn't appreciate the unsportsmanlike conduct by Phil Heath exhibited during the judging. That kind of thing is no needed in a competition where men simply put on g-strings and flex their muscles. I can accept some of that in sports where direct aggression is needed--football, boxing or MMA--but it seems out of place in bodybuilding.

Many people on this board have given up on pro bodybuilding, but I would ask you to note that these guys have, within the last several years, started to get control of their GH guts. We seem to be moving into an era of either moderate GH usage, as competitors learn more and more about how to better use the stuff, or we are moving into an era where a natural selection is taking place, where bodybuilders of higher and higher genetic blessings are moving into the fore who require less GH in order to reach their goals. Anyway, there must be some reason that Phil Heath's stomach doesn't stick out like Ronnie Coleman's did.

Also, please note that 3 of the top four were NOT mass monsters. Could that era be over? We'll have to see. Everyone seems to be very high on Cedric McMillan, who didn't compete. Most feel that when he enters, he will change the game for good. But with Phil, Shawn Rhoden, the ageless Dexter Jackson and Toney Freeman all coming back, at least nowadays we have a choice.

The only people who didn't control their guts were Branch Warren and Dennis Wolf, which was disappointing.
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Tony Williams

pharaoh1063 wrote:
This year's contest was a good one. Glad to see Kai get his stomach under control and realize that he has plenty enough mass to accomplish the task. All he needed to do was to cut up the mass that he already has and he did that, finally.

I didn't appreciate the unsportsmanlike conduct by Phil Heath exhibited during the judging. That kind of thing is no needed in a competition where men simply put on g-strings and flex their muscles. I can accept some of that in sports where direct aggression is needed--football, boxing or MMA--but it seems out of place in bodybuilding.

Many people on this board have given up on pro bodybuilding, but I would ask you to note that these guys have, within the last several years, started to get control of their GH guts. We seem to be moving into an era of either moderate GH usage, as competitors learn more and more about how to better use the stuff, or we are moving into an era where a natural selection is taking place, where bodybuilders of higher and higher genetic blessings are moving into the fore who require less GH in order to reach their goals. Anyway, there must be some reason that Phil Heath's stomach doesn't stick out like Ronnie Coleman's did.

Also, please note that 3 of the top four were NOT mass monsters. Could that era be over? We'll have to see. Everyone seems to be very high on Cedric McMillan, who didn't compete. Most feel that when he enters, he will change the game for good. But with Phil, Shawn Rhoden, the ageless Dexter Jackson and Toney Freeman all coming back, at least nowadays we have a choice.

The only people who didn't control their guts were Branch Warren and Dennis Wolf, which was disappointing.


So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony
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HeavyHitter32

Tony Williams wrote:

So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony


Exactly. What does a little less GH really mean in the grand scheme of this massively infested drug circus.
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sgb2112

Agree with Pharaoh pretty much.

The Top 3 guys have no weak points and have great proportion. Shawn Roden is being called the new Flex Wheeler and I actually agree.

From Branch Warren on down, the physiques had visible flaws, biggest culprits being high lat insertions and high calves, plus a few guys had legs out of proportion to their upper bodies.

Only way these lower placing guys have a shot is if one or more of the top three screws up their prep, gets injured, or loses their drive. It's a substantial gap imho.




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pharaoh1063

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:

So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony

Exactly. What does a little less GH really mean in the grand scheme of this massively infested drug circus.


1. Yes, fewer doses of drugs are OK.

2. As I stated, I draw the line where someone's stomach is sticking out. Newcomer Shawn Rhoden weighed in at 240 lbs at 5' 9 1/2". I don't believe he has to go crazy on the drugs in order to get to that size. He made it up to 3d place based on his overall aesthetic appeal, not size. And when that is the established standard where several contestants fight each other over that factor, drug use will naturally stabilize at a certain level.

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Turpin

pharaoh1063 wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:

So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony

Exactly. What does a little less GH really mean in the grand scheme of this massively infested drug circus.

1. Yes, fewer doses of drugs are OK.

2. As I stated, I draw the line where someone's stomach is sticking out. Newcomer Shawn Rhoden weighed in at 240 lbs at 5' 9 1/2". I don't believe he has to go crazy on the drugs in order to get to that size. He made it up to 3d place based on his overall aesthetic appeal, not size. And when that is the established standard where several contestants fight each other over that factor, drug use will naturally stabilize at a certain level.



At 240 lbs ( ripped ) @ 5`9" you dont believe he has gone crazy on drugs ? ..... C`mon , be real !!

T.
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Mega-duty

Andreas Munzer made world record of the steroid use and was 5?9/235Lbs.

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Mega-duty wrote:
Andreas Munzer made world record of the steroid use and was 5?9/235Lbs.


I believe diuretics and not steroids were the main culprit in his demise.
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Mega-duty

simon-hecubus wrote:
Mega-duty wrote:
Andreas Munzer made world record of the steroid use and was 5?9/235Lbs.

I believe diuretics and not steroids were the main culprit in his demise.


Rather opposite -

After months of stomach pain, M?nzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion?he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.

The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.Some of the specific autopsy findings:

An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (M?nzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300?350g)

M?nzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).

Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to M?nzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.

Shortly: Multiple organ failure,and had severe continual stomach pain months before death,no wonder.

One German doctor once spoke about it in television.

" he used at least five aspirin tablets each morning to thin his blood"

Sad story.

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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

Because I recall seeing it discussed before on the DrDarden.com website, I know the subject of GENETIC TAMPERING isn't new; but, I do wonder at what point (if it hasn't already happened) will someone attempt to switch on (or off) certain genes, in order to have an advantage with their bodybuilding????

At the same time, if certain bits of research that have emerged from EPIGENETICS is extrapolated, then training and/or the various forms of chemicals have already done this to our bodies. Not that my extrapolation is an endorsement of drug-usage, because I'm anti-drug in my personal-life.
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HeavyHitter32

pharaoh1063 wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:

So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony

Exactly. What does a little less GH really mean in the grand scheme of this massively infested drug circus.

1. Yes, fewer doses of drugs are OK.

2. As I stated, I draw the line where someone's stomach is sticking out. Newcomer Shawn Rhoden weighed in at 240 lbs at 5' 9 1/2". I don't believe he has to go crazy on the drugs in order to get to that size. He made it up to 3d place based on his overall aesthetic appeal, not size. And when that is the established standard where several contestants fight each other over that factor, drug use will naturally stabilize at a certain level.



Fewer doses of already incredibly high amounts? If you believe these guys are not taking massive amounts of various drugs, you are completely delusional. Keep buying your Flex magazines.
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Tony Williams

pharaoh1063 wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Tony Williams wrote:

So fewer doses of drugs are OK?

Where do you draw the line?

Tony

Exactly. What does a little less GH really mean in the grand scheme of this massively infested drug circus.

1. Yes, fewer doses of drugs are OK.

2. As I stated, I draw the line where someone's stomach is sticking out. Newcomer Shawn Rhoden weighed in at 240 lbs at 5' 9 1/2". I don't believe he has to go crazy on the drugs in order to get to that size. He made it up to 3d place based on his overall aesthetic appeal, not size. And when that is the established standard where several contestants fight each other over that factor, drug use will naturally stabilize at a certain level.



"Yes, fewer doses of drugs are OK."

1. Who in their right mind would inject any chemicals in their body except for medical reasons?

2. Isn't use of any drugs ... cheating?

3. Would you use GH or steroids or other drugs for the meager sums of money available to bodybuilders?

4. Do you actually desire to look like the contestants in the Mr. Olympia contest?

5. Do you honestly think because one's stomach is not distended as much as another's, that individual looks natural?

Tony
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Tony Williams

After months of stomach pain, M?nzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but shortly afterwards his liver and then kidneys failed. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion?he died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.

The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure.Some of the specific autopsy findings:

An extremely muscular physique, with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat
Affecting the liver were numerous table-tennis-ball-sized tumors; half the liver consisted simply of a crumbly mass, similar to polystyrene (Styrofoam)
Diminutive testes
Cardiac hypertrophy (M?nzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300?350g)

M?nzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about twenty different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant).

Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to M?nzer's funeral in Styria, with the message 'A last greeting to a friend.

Shortly: Multiple organ failure,and had severe continual stomach pain months before death,no wonder.

One German doctor once spoke about it in television.

" he used at least five aspirin tablets each morning to thin his blood"

Sad story.

------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet kids still aspire to be bodybuilders -- sadder still.

Tony
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

sgb2112 wrote:
Iris Kyle wins for the 8th time. Here she is standing next to Jay Cutler.

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=6RpmB8RgTzo



Dude looks like a lady!!!


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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

sgb2112 wrote:
Iris Kyle wins for the 8th time. Here she is standing next to Jay Cutler.


kulitsa wrote:
Dude looks like a lady!!!


I have an old Women's Physique World with her before the massive drug use. Quite attractive.

It's hard to even recognize her now.

Former Ms. O Kim Chivesky was another one who went from hot to NOT! after drug use.
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JONKILCOYNE

Florida, USA

Had a chance to speak briefly with Branch Warren a few months ago at a contest here in Orlando, Fl and he credited the Nautilus Duo Squat his gym owner had purchased as being very helpful in his comeback after a rather serious leg injury last year. Thought that was interesting.

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pharaoh1063

Turpin wrote:
At 240 lbs ( ripped ) @ 5`9" you dont believe he has gone crazy on drugs ? ..... C`mon , be real !!

T.


Ronnie Coleman is only 1 1/2" taller and he was FIFTY POUNDS heavier! You surely must agree that this 50 lbs. requires a lot more drugs.

If 240 is "crazy," then 290 is even "crazier" and I'll take "crazy" over "crazier" any day.

Seems "real" enough for me.
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pharaoh1063

Mega-duty wrote:
Rather opposite -

After months of stomach pain...liver and then kidneys failed... died on the morning of March 14, aged 31.

The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple-organ-failure...
Munzer's electrolytes were also completely out of balance...


Mega-duty,

None of this contradicts what Simon-hecubus has written, which, I believe, is correct.

As I understand it, Munzer was well known for hitting the diuretics harder than most of the other guys.

In any event, he should have been seeing a doctor all along. No one held a gun to his head to force him to do this. Some bodybuilders can take it, some can't. And if he couldn't he should have stepped away as so many others have done.


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pharaoh1063

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Fewer doses of already incredibly high amounts? If you believe these guys are not taking massive amounts of various drugs, you are completely delusional. Keep buying your Flex magazines.


"If you believe these guys are not taking massive amounts of various drugs" Where do you get this stuff? Why make stuff up? Did I ever say that? No.

OK, so I don't keep up with bodybuilding because they take steroids and I turn on the TV to watch football or baseball. Well, if you think there are no steroids in these sports then you are delusional! Somewhere, I recently read from one of the old Nautilus guys that when Martina Navratilova visited the headquarters, she, Mike Mentzer and Boyer Coe sat outside the place and discussed their drug regimen. As I recall the story was that Mentzer and Coe were surprised that what she was taking was so similar to theirs! So damn, I can't watch women's tennis either.

My position is simple. I believe that steroid use has existed in bodybuilding for the past SIXTY YEARS and I don't believe it is going to be removed any time soon. We didn't get into this mess overnight, and we won't get out of it overnight, either. So I will enjoy any small incremental steps that move in the right direction.

Do a few flatter stomachs mean that drug use has dramatically dropped all of a sudden? No, only because you're looking only at a very short time period (which I will explain later). If this trend continues, if it is understood and supported by the powers that be, then, over time, very small changes can compound into very significant changes.

But, it won't come about by focusing on steroids themselves, how much this one or that one is taking. It will come by focusing on the end result--the type of physique that is to be attained (more on this later, too).
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pharaoh1063

Tony Williams wrote:

1. Who in their right mind would inject any chemicals in their body except for medical reasons?

2. Isn't use of any drugs ... cheating?

3. Would you use GH or steroids or other drugs for the meager sums of money available to bodybuilders?

4. Do you actually desire to look like the contestants in the Mr. Olympia contest?

5. Do you honestly think because one's stomach is not distended as much as another's, that individual looks natural?

Tony


1. About 3 million Americans, according to the Mayo clinic, way more than all competitive bodybuilders by several multiples

2. Not necessarily

3. Bodybuilding should not be done for money. It has been said that if you're into bodybuilding for money, you've chosen the wrong sport.

The real answer to the question would involve whether I had the structure and genetics to make it worthwhile and whether or not one's life situation and responsibilities allowed for it. Given the way my life has gone, it is not something that I chose to do. After all, I've already quit bodybuilding once in my lifetime because I perceived that steroids were "the only game in town" and the steroid option wasn't the right one for me, and natural organizations hadn't been created yet.

But I can see that there might be people who have the drive, genetics and the right circumstance for whom it might be an option.

My interest is in a certain look, not steroids--the look of the 70's bodybuilders that first sparked my interest in the sport. The more we can get back to that look, with each incremental step, the more I'm interested. And if we can, the secondary benefit will be our getting back to steroid levels that those guys were taking at that time. It won't happen overnight, in fact it will take decades, since it is tied in with trends in greater society and culture and the general understanding of aesthetics and so on. But it can happen. And I will cheer every small step in the right direction.

4. Not an option at 48. But I do see the relationship between what they do and what I do. As far as HITters go, even though Mike Mentzer took steroids and I didn't, there is still very little of what he did that is not applicable to me. And what differences there are, I can account for. We are more alike then different. And therefore, I count myself as a "bodybuilder." I don't find Phil Heath's experience alien to me just because he takes a boat-load of drugs and I don't. I'm still interested in hearing what he has to say about shoulder training as I can incorporate some little idea of his into my training.

I would also ask "Which Mr. Olympia?"

5. If a someone wanted to look natural, I don't think he would lift weights at all, just run and do a few push-ups, sit-ups and the like.
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FiremanBob

The correct amount of drug use in this game should be zero.

Iris Kyle is disgusting. I wouldn't hit that with a flagpole.
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