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cmg

Hello All,

Just saw this and thought I would post:

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=relmfu

Best regards,

Ron
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

cmg wrote:
Hello All,

Just saw this and thought I would post:

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=relmfu

Best regards,

Ron


Check this one, this is the dumbest video I have ever seen LAMO

http://www.youtube.com/...-c&feature=fvwp

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kurtvf

cmg wrote:
Hello All,

Just saw this and thought I would post:

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=relmfu

Best regards,

Ron


Never heard him speak before. Looks pretty young. Looks different without the 'stasch.
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summaHIT

Ontario, CAN

Compared to the pictures at 19 when he was winning bodybuilding shows, he looks pretty average in that video and extremely below average for a competitive body builder. He mentions that since 19, 4-5 years ago in the video, he has only been training on Nautilus equipment. To me, this shows a clear regression using nautilus only training. You would think after training an additional 4-5 years, on supposedly superior equipment AFTER having built a great physique, he would be massive.
Am I missing something?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

summaHIT wrote:
Compared to the pictures at 19 when he was winning bodybuilding shows, he looks pretty average in that video and extremely below average for a competitive body builder. He mentions that since 19, 4-5 years ago in the video, he has only been training on Nautilus equipment. To me, this shows a clear regression using nautilus only training. You would think after training an additional 4-5 years, on supposedly superior equipment AFTER having built a great physique, he would be massive.
Am I missing something?


==Scott==
I think the lack of time line and what Viator is trying to accomplish at the time of making this video ( when ever that was?) makes it hard to use his appearance as a measure of his Nautilus training.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

He could have been off the sauce at the time.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
He could have been off the sauce at the time.


==Scott==
Yes it is quite amazing the difference it can make when off the sauce. Some of these big guys look almost human, ha ha..Viator does look mighty young in the video.
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cmg

entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
He could have been off the sauce at the time.

==Scott==
Yes it is quite amazing the difference it can make when off the sauce. Some of these big guys look almost human, ha ha..Viator does look mighty young in the video.



Hi Scott,

Did he look a lot different when you saw him train?

Thanks,

Ron
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
He could have been off the sauce at the time.


Most likely.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

summaHIT wrote:
Compared to the pictures at 19 when he was winning bodybuilding shows, he looks pretty average in that video and extremely below average for a competitive body builder. He mentions that since 19, 4-5 years ago in the video, he has only been training on Nautilus equipment. To me, this shows a clear regression using nautilus only training. You would think after training an additional 4-5 years, on supposedly superior equipment AFTER having built a great physique, he would be massive.
Am I missing something?


Nah, you are not missing anything.
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cmg

kulitsa wrote:
summaHIT wrote:
Compared to the pictures at 19 when he was winning bodybuilding shows, he looks pretty average in that video and extremely below average for a competitive body builder. He mentions that since 19, 4-5 years ago in the video, he has only been training on Nautilus equipment. To me, this shows a clear regression using nautilus only training. You would think after training an additional 4-5 years, on supposedly superior equipment AFTER having built a great physique, he would be massive.
Am I missing something?

Nah, you are not missing anything.



Guys -

He was doing primarily Nautilus traing in 1978 when being trained for the Mr. Universe by Dr. D & Jim Flanagan. He looked pretty damn good to me! He was obviously training very intensley then. Possibly Viator was just working out a little more casually - no real plans/desire to be ultra huge. I would imagine (because that's all I can do) that when you have that kind of genetics that it comes pretty easily so if he lets himself go a little - no big deal - he can make it up in a few weeks.
But the arm that he has up leaning against something- his shoulder looks pretty thick.

Best regards,

Ron
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AndyMitch

That was not long after he'd cut off his finger.

I believe he was quite sick for some time
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marcrph

Portugal

Viator got much larger later while competing for the Mr. Olympia. Fact!

Wonder why?

It is also a fact, that at that time, almost all high level bb's were on the juice.
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cmg

marcrph wrote:
Viator got much larger later while competing for the Mr. Olympia. Fact!

Wonder why?

It is also a fact, that at that time, almost all high level bb's were on the juice.


OK there guy... thanks for the Fact!

I am not saying if he was or was not on.. he was also larger for the Mr. America and Mr. Universe. Mentzer said he was doign well with the IFBB because he lost 20 lbs.

Regards,

Ron
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marcrph

Portugal

cmg wrote:
marcrph wrote:
Viator got much larger later while competing for the Mr. Olympia. Fact!

Wonder why?

It is also a fact, that at that time, almost all high level bb's were on the juice.

OK there guy... thanks for the Fact!

I am not saying if he was or was not on.. he was also larger for the Mr. America and Mr. Universe. Mentzer said he was doign well with the IFBB because he lost 20 lbs.

Regards,

Ron


Mentzer took steroids also:

It's rough to grow up and see one-time heroes' imperfections.
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HamsFitness

AndyMitch wrote:
That was not long after he'd cut off his finger.

I believe he was quite sick for some time


I am surprised no one else noticed this. perhaps it is just before the Colorado experiment....
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

cmg wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
He could have been off the sauce at the time.

==Scott==
Yes it is quite amazing the difference it can make when off the sauce. Some of these big guys look almost human, ha ha..Viator does look mighty young in the video.


Hi Scott,

Did he look a lot different when you saw him train?

Thanks,

Ron


==Scott==
When I saw him he had on a exercise jump suit so it was hard to tell about his muscle size.
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JONKILCOYNE

Florida, USA

Funny. I think this is the first time I have actually seen Viator speaking or on video from that early of a time. I really think Viator helped make Nautilus. Although Jones was dynamic, and the equipment was awesome, Viator was the Kong of the show. The Showpiece that sold the tickets.

I can tell the interviewer is goading him a bit trying to get more than two lines out of him. I really wish there was more video of him from back then for the Colorado Experiment or his training in the quonset hut.
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AndyMitch

Agreed.
I've read a lot about the intensity and strength of Casey.
I would love to see footage.
Also from what I have read is that Casey seems a real decent sort of bloke.
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AndyMitch

Although I don't think Casey was "kong" Arthur was.
Arthur built an impressive physique, he also built it quickly during the experiment, and most would agree he didn't take steroids.
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overfiftylifter

I wish I could remember what year it was when I visited the Nautilus facility in Deland. Viator was there, massive, and if memory is correct, in a t-shirt, and was demonstrating many of the new machines including the unilateral version of the pullover machine. He looked much larger than the physical appearance shown on the video.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

cmg wrote:
I would imagine (because that's all I can do) that when you have that kind of genetics that it comes pretty easily so if he lets himself go a little - no big deal - he can make it up in a few weeks.


Ron,

With all due respect, the only way to speak of someone's genetics with a certainty, one must see the results of a saliva test performed by a reputable DNA lab.

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cmg

kulitsa wrote:
cmg wrote:
I would imagine (because that's all I can do) that when you have that kind of genetics that it comes pretty easily so if he lets himself go a little - no big deal - he can make it up in a few weeks.


Ron,

With all due respect, the only way to speak of someone's genetics with a certainty, one must see the results of a saliva test performed by a reputable DNA lab.



OK.... Have you seen this guys build? I am certain he took steroids - how would someone get so big and defined?? BUT thousands take them and don't look anything like Viator (everything well developed - proportioned etc.). In the University gym I worked out at in college I would say 50% took them. Most looked like crap but one won the Mr. America. His back was wide, thick defined, shoulders round, thick defined etc. Why did he look so different - he tried harder? My guess - genetics?? His legs were not as good though - though I did train with him and he was strong and worked hard on them. My guess - genetics?
Even though I could not analyze his DNA - his genetic makeup was better on certain bodyparts than others. Some have it - some don't. Its the same with Intelligence - some have high IQ's others - well..


I think we can all safely say that someone like Viator, Mentzer, Oliva, Arnold etc. have unusaul genetics. Not just steroid users but people that have what Dr. D said - 1 in 1000 people could look this way (not sure if I remember the number correctly??).

Best regards,

Ron
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cmg

marcrph wrote:
cmg wrote:
marcrph wrote:
Viator got much larger later while competing for the Mr. Olympia. Fact!

Wonder why?

It is also a fact, that at that time, almost all high level bb's were on the juice.

OK there guy... thanks for the Fact!

I am not saying if he was or was not on.. he was also larger for the Mr. America and Mr. Universe. Mentzer said he was doign well with the IFBB because he lost 20 lbs.

Regards,

Ron

Mentzer took steroids also:

It's rough to grow up and see one-time heroes' imperfections.



Possibly they were your heroes - if not I don't know what you're talking about Marc. Seriods or no steriods - he was well developed using Nautilus. Dr. D trained him using Nautilus (I believe almost exclusively) and he was big, strong and lean. He did the workouts Dr. D prescribes. Therefore the tool (Nautilus) must work. Maybe or maybe not better than free weights but it works.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

cmg wrote:
kulitsa wrote:
cmg wrote:
I would imagine (because that's all I can do) that when you have that kind of genetics that it comes pretty easily so if he lets himself go a little - no big deal - he can make it up in a few weeks.


Ron,

With all due respect, the only way to speak of someone's genetics with a certainty, one must see the results of a saliva test performed by a reputable DNA lab.



OK.... Have you seen this guys build? I am certain he took steroids - how would someone get so big and defined?? BUT thousands take them and don't look anything like Viator (everything well developed - proportioned etc.). In the University gym I worked out at in college I would say 50% took them. Most looked like crap but one won the Mr. America. His back was wide, thick defined, shoulders round, thick defined etc. Why did he look so different - he tried harder? My guess - genetics?? His legs were not as good though - though I did train with him and he was strong and worked hard on them. My guess - genetics?
Even though I could not analyze his DNA - his genetic makeup was better on certain bodyparts than others. Some have it - some don't. Its the same with Intelligence - some have high IQ's others - well..


I think we can all safely say that someone like Viator, Mentzer, Oliva, Arnold etc. have unusaul genetics. Not just steroid users but people that have what Dr. D said - 1 in 1000 people could look this way (not sure if I remember the number correctly??).

Best regards,

Ron


Ron,

You are confusing two things. Again, in order to determine what fiber type any if those guys have, you would need a saliva test.

Also, due to genetic differences, which again can be determined only through a saliva test, people will react differently to substances. Some of the people you have numerated have confessed to use of AAS and it means only one thing, their bodies were more susceptible to it and says very little of their genetics.

Do not repeat the pitch created by AJ for the purpose of selling his machines.
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