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southbeach

Or, why are you Democrat or Independie?

Let's put our cards on the table shall we?

In a friendly debate sort of way.

*I* am a democrat. What are you, and why?
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DukeMatisse

You didn't tell us why you're a Democrat...
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Yes I an def see this thread going very well, with a lot of thoughtful, rational, and mature arguments. Great. High Intensity Politics.
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

There is no way this is going to end up as a civil discussion on this board.
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southbeach

DukeMatisse wrote:
You didn't tell us why you're a Democrat...




uh lets see, because i don't like WAR or a big Dfense. i knida choose humanity over profit..uhhh

i'm not worth over 100 mil.uhhh

i think the role of govt, which is a subset organization of humanity should exist for the promotion of most humans, not the privileged (see $) few.

you want to be pissed offed? do you really want to be pissed offed?

the real abuse of wage & benefit is in the PUBLIC sector. the civil "servants".

i''m not a socialist but a republican, but if your a cop or a firefighter, or "correction" officer, or aren't you working for the STATE??

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southbeach

why am i a democrat..

http://www.youtube.com/...feature=related

because i fight the good fight for humanity
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sgb2112

Twilight of the old white guys

http://blog.sfgate.com/...old-white-guys/

This doesn?t mean it?s going to be easy. This doesn?t mean it?s going to be smooth or fun or make any sort of cohesive sense. Not by a long shot. And not for a long, long time.

But across the board and down the line, the take on Obama?s astonishing, historic re-election is the same: America is more wildly, unexpectedly diverse than ever, and those diverse voices ? Latino, gay, black, immigrant, female, et al ? somehow coalesced into a potent, vociferous, albeit hotly unstable coalition to vote more powerfully and more passionately than any time in our short history, mostly because they never really existed as a functioning coalition in our short history, until now.

This is what the Republican punditry and even many old-timer Dems are coming to terms with: America is no longer a nifty, sepia-toned melting pot kept anodyne and marginal by the rich, starchy bleach of the white ruling class.

Is it not the most astonishing thing? The country is not getting any whiter, older white bigoted people are helpfully dying off, and we now have a messy and nearly incomprehensible Catherine wheel of assorted nonwhite minorities (and women) all spinning, dancing and surging into the limelight ? not to mention the cross-breeds, the already mixed, the racially unidentifiable who are, say, a quarter black, a quarter Chinese, a quarter Indian, a third polyamorous and a tenth Cuban kinky hipster lesbian schoolteacher, with a no-religious-affiliation kicker. Sweet.

This is your new American majority, each and every one of whom terrifies the old guard, the rich white guys, Ted Nugent, Bill O?Reilly, and the way it used to be. And this is why the Republican party threw every repulsive weapon it had at Obama to try and avert the inevitable; deep down, they sensed their own imminent obsolescence, even if they didn?t quite believe it was possible.

And oh, they tried everything. Racism. Birtherism. Sexism. Abortion, birth control, ?legitimate rape? and irresponsible ?sluts.? Religious intolerance, homophobia, xenophobia, Socialism, Communism, Nazis, Kenya, monkeys, Big Bird, gun rights, tax laws, welfare, elitism, oil shortages, health care reform that would secretly herd up and kill the elderly. Just for starters.

Nothing worked. Check that: It all worked. Just not as well as it used to. As one distraught fundamentalist Christian activist said, ?It wasn?t that our message didn?t get out. We got the message out. But our message was rejected.?




Is this a good thing? This is, of course, a very good thing. On the other hand, it?s also all flavors of potential bedlam, with every group and region now demanding its own representation, its own voice, its own right to stir things up and be heard. Or maybe they just want what the white menfolk have had all along: a more honest chance, and a game that?s not rigged against them from the start. I know! The nerve!

So here we have Obama?s 2012 America, a riot of color and noise, melodrama and fierce clamoring for attention. Can it all possibly hold together? Not a chance. Does it have to hold together lest we implode and melt down even further? Without a doubt.

This is why the reaction to Rainbow Bright America has been, to say the least, exhilarating, and strange, and all over the map. Say what you will about unhappy white males running the joint for the last 200 (or 2,000) years. At least they were consistent. Consistently intolerant, patriarchal, oppressive, ruthlessly capitalistic and just a little bit sad? Of course. What the hell do you want from paranoid, monochromatic Christians, enlightenment?

One point everyone agrees on: The channels must open. We must broaden the social lens, appeal to the wider spectrum, understand there is no longer a single religion, voice, sex, color, attitude, or even standardized marriage format that rules the land. Sure, we?ve always been diverse. But we?ve never been completely guided by it.

Is part of the answer to become more multicultural, multilingual, open-ended? It would seem to go without saying. It would seem we should begin, quite directly, with education, and immediately require Spanish, Latin, passing fluency in German, maybe a little Chinese, just in case. Don?t you think?

Praise Jesus, we no longer have a single dominant religion. Even Christmas, which used to be relatively charming and quaint and even a tiny bit sacred, was sold to Wal-Mart for scrap something like 30 years ago; everyone knows we have no major holidays left that aren?t owned by corporations that openly hate you.

Hence, would it kill us to learn a little about, say, Diwali, India?s breathtaking festival of lights? How about Dia de Los Muertos, and Samhain, and Buddha?s birthday? How about teaching kids a little about Christian mysticism, goddess lore, a hint of Wicca, toss in a few of the 3 million Hindu gods? Why not?

You disagree? Oh right, like hammering them with uptight Christian doctrine for all these years has worked so well. Do you want to see the election results again? Shall we talk teen pregnancy rates, divorce rates, just who it was who sent out the most racist, hateful, intolerant Tweets after the election? Didn?t think so.

I know a little of what I speak. As a not wildly young, indo-European white guy myself, I can testify that it is both scary and oddly refreshing to slide so dramatically into the cultural minority. And we?re certainly not all bad ? far from it. Of course, I?m nowhere near as endangered and obsolete as, say, the Catholic church, who is right now trying ? quite miserably ? to wrap its crusty, blood-caked talons around the throat of giddy gay marriage and choke it to death.

(Oh, by the way? This is how you know. This is how you understand you are on the right side of history, culture, love. When the pope and his armies of flying monkeys shake and fume so violently over a new definition of love that their eyeballs curdle, you know you?re doing something very right indeed).

Let us not get too carried away. White ruling classes aren?t quite gone yet. Obama still won a huge and relatively normal percentage of white voters, and Romney got quite a bit more (although, interestingly, the four states with the highest percentage of them ? ME, VT, IA, NH ? all went for BO).

It?s just that they didn?t matter as much this time around. Not nearly as much as they mattered to Mitt Romney and the GOP, for whom scared white males in particular were the foundation, lifeblood, the meaning of all goddamn existence. And when that meaning is removed? When that long-standing, ironclad political underpinning is uprooted and proven no longer reliable, and never will be again?

You get shock. Awe. Bewilderment. And roughly 4,000 political pundits from every media outlet spinning in the grave of their stunned analysis. Awesome.

But most of all, you get to experience something we in America just don?t get to enjoy all that often. We get to experience the wonderful, terrible, completely disorienting thrill of remaking ourselves anew, changing the conversation, exploding the stagnant American experiment and assembling it into something we just haven?t had the parts to attempt before.

Isn?t that fantastic? Isn?t that destabilizing? Isn?t that what the warped American idea is supposed to be about, after all?
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DukeMatisse

southbeach wrote:
DukeMatisse wrote:
You didn't tell us why you're a Democrat...



uh lets see, because i don't like WAR or a big Dfense. i knida choose humanity over profit..uhhh

i'm not worth over 100 mil.uhhh

i think the role of govt, which is a subset organization of humanity should exist for the promotion of most humans, not the privileged (see $) few.

you want to be pissed offed? do you really want to be pissed offed?

the real abuse of wage & benefit is in the PUBLIC sector. the civil "servants".

i''m not a socialist but a republican, but if your a cop or a firefighter, or "correction" officer, or aren't you working for the STATE??




You come off as the kind of person that most people - regardless of political affiliation - would and should rally against.
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natemason5

Ontario, CAN

Aren't you Canadian SB?
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HeavyHitter32

southbeach wrote:
Or, why are you Democrat or Independie?

Let's put our cards on the table shall we?

In a friendly debate sort of way.

*I* am a democrat. What are you, and why?


The question is, what are YOU going to do when the U.S. racks up one too many yearly tillion dollar deficits while the dollar comes crashing down and the U.S. literally collapses economically? It's going to happen at some point.

The U.S. is on a very, very unsustainable course that most people in the country refuse to see, but most are in denial about things in life anyway (health and fitness a good example).
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robinn3403

sgb2112 wrote:
Twilight of the old white guys

http://blog.sfgate.com/...old-white-guys/

This doesn?t mean it?s going to be easy. This doesn?t mean it?s going to be smooth or fun or make any sort of cohesive sense. Not by a long shot. And not for a long, long time.

But across the board and down the line, the take on Obama?s astonishing, historic re-election is the same: America is more wildly, unexpectedly diverse than ever, and those diverse voices ? Latino, gay, black, immigrant, female, et al ? somehow coalesced into a potent, vociferous, albeit hotly unstable coalition to vote more powerfully and more passionately than any time in our short history, mostly because they never really existed as a functioning coalition in our short history, until now.

This is what the Republican punditry and even many old-timer Dems are coming to terms with: America is no longer a nifty, sepia-toned melting pot kept anodyne and marginal by the rich, starchy bleach of the white ruling class.

Is it not the most astonishing thing? The country is not getting any whiter, older white bigoted people are helpfully dying off, and we now have a messy and nearly incomprehensible Catherine wheel of assorted nonwhite minorities (and women) all spinning, dancing and surging into the limelight ? not to mention the cross-breeds, the already mixed, the racially unidentifiable who are, say, a quarter black, a quarter Chinese, a quarter Indian, a third polyamorous and a tenth Cuban kinky hipster lesbian schoolteacher, with a no-religious-affiliation kicker. Sweet.

This is your new American majority, each and every one of whom terrifies the old guard, the rich white guys, Ted Nugent, Bill O?Reilly, and the way it used to be. And this is why the Republican party threw every repulsive weapon it had at Obama to try and avert the inevitable; deep down, they sensed their own imminent obsolescence, even if they didn?t quite believe it was possible.

And oh, they tried everything. Racism. Birtherism. Sexism. Abortion, birth control, ?legitimate rape? and irresponsible ?sluts.? Religious intolerance, homophobia, xenophobia, Socialism, Communism, Nazis, Kenya, monkeys, Big Bird, gun rights, tax laws, welfare, elitism, oil shortages, health care reform that would secretly herd up and kill the elderly. Just for starters.

Nothing worked. Check that: It all worked. Just not as well as it used to. As one distraught fundamentalist Christian activist said, ?It wasn?t that our message didn?t get out. We got the message out. But our message was rejected.?




Is this a good thing? This is, of course, a very good thing. On the other hand, it?s also all flavors of potential bedlam, with every group and region now demanding its own representation, its own voice, its own right to stir things up and be heard. Or maybe they just want what the white menfolk have had all along: a more honest chance, and a game that?s not rigged against them from the start. I know! The nerve!

So here we have Obama?s 2012 America, a riot of color and noise, melodrama and fierce clamoring for attention. Can it all possibly hold together? Not a chance. Does it have to hold together lest we implode and melt down even further? Without a doubt.

This is why the reaction to Rainbow Bright America has been, to say the least, exhilarating, and strange, and all over the map. Say what you will about unhappy white males running the joint for the last 200 (or 2,000) years. At least they were consistent. Consistently intolerant, patriarchal, oppressive, ruthlessly capitalistic and just a little bit sad? Of course. What the hell do you want from paranoid, monochromatic Christians, enlightenment?

One point everyone agrees on: The channels must open. We must broaden the social lens, appeal to the wider spectrum, understand there is no longer a single religion, voice, sex, color, attitude, or even standardized marriage format that rules the land. Sure, we?ve always been diverse. But we?ve never been completely guided by it.

Is part of the answer to become more multicultural, multilingual, open-ended? It would seem to go without saying. It would seem we should begin, quite directly, with education, and immediately require Spanish, Latin, passing fluency in German, maybe a little Chinese, just in case. Don?t you think?

Praise Jesus, we no longer have a single dominant religion. Even Christmas, which used to be relatively charming and quaint and even a tiny bit sacred, was sold to Wal-Mart for scrap something like 30 years ago; everyone knows we have no major holidays left that aren?t owned by corporations that openly hate you.

Hence, would it kill us to learn a little about, say, Diwali, India?s breathtaking festival of lights? How about Dia de Los Muertos, and Samhain, and Buddha?s birthday? How about teaching kids a little about Christian mysticism, goddess lore, a hint of Wicca, toss in a few of the 3 million Hindu gods? Why not?

You disagree? Oh right, like hammering them with uptight Christian doctrine for all these years has worked so well. Do you want to see the election results again? Shall we talk teen pregnancy rates, divorce rates, just who it was who sent out the most racist, hateful, intolerant Tweets after the election? Didn?t think so.

I know a little of what I speak. As a not wildly young, indo-European white guy myself, I can testify that it is both scary and oddly refreshing to slide so dramatically into the cultural minority. And we?re certainly not all bad ? far from it. Of course, I?m nowhere near as endangered and obsolete as, say, the Catholic church, who is right now trying ? quite miserably ? to wrap its crusty, blood-caked talons around the throat of giddy gay marriage and choke it to death.

(Oh, by the way? This is how you know. This is how you understand you are on the right side of history, culture, love. When the pope and his armies of flying monkeys shake and fume so violently over a new definition of love that their eyeballs curdle, you know you?re doing something very right indeed).

Let us not get too carried away. White ruling classes aren?t quite gone yet. Obama still won a huge and relatively normal percentage of white voters, and Romney got quite a bit more (although, interestingly, the four states with the highest percentage of them ? ME, VT, IA, NH ? all went for BO).

It?s just that they didn?t matter as much this time around. Not nearly as much as they mattered to Mitt Romney and the GOP, for whom scared white males in particular were the foundation, lifeblood, the meaning of all goddamn existence. And when that meaning is removed? When that long-standing, ironclad political underpinning is uprooted and proven no longer reliable, and never will be again?

You get shock. Awe. Bewilderment. And roughly 4,000 political pundits from every media outlet spinning in the grave of their stunned analysis. Awesome.

But most of all, you get to experience something we in America just don?t get to enjoy all that often. We get to experience the wonderful, terrible, completely disorienting thrill of remaking ourselves anew, changing the conversation, exploding the stagnant American experiment and assembling it into something we just haven?t had the parts to attempt before.

Isn?t that fantastic? Isn?t that destabilizing? Isn?t that what the warped American idea is supposed to be about, after all?


Wow! Who are you and WHAT have been smoking?
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Robert Francis

New York, USA

southbeach wrote:
Or, why are you Democrat or Independie?

Let's put our cards on the table shall we?

In a friendly debate sort of way.

*I* am a democrat. What are you, and why?


Friendly debate? On this subject? I'll retire to Bedlam.

Zan-duh-brain-duh

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kurtvf

DukeMatisse wrote:




You come off as the kind of person that most people - regardless of political affiliation - would and should rally against.


Truer words were never spoken on this forum.....
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robinn3403

Robert Francis wrote:
southbeach wrote:
Or, why are you Democrat or Independie?

Let's put our cards on the table shall we?

In a friendly debate sort of way.

*I* am a democrat. What are you, and why?

Friendly debate? On this subject? I'll retire to Bedlam.

Zan-duh-brain-duh
Love the Ebaneezer Scrooge reference in keeping with the CHRISTMAS Season coming up.


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robinn3403

robinn3403 wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
Twilight of the old white guys

http://blog.sfgate.com/...old-white-guys/

This doesn?t mean it?s going to be easy. This doesn?t mean it?s going to be smooth or fun or make any sort of cohesive sense. Not by a long shot. And not for a long, long time.

But across the board and down the line, the take on Obama?s astonishing, historic re-election is the same: America is more wildly, unexpectedly diverse than ever, and those diverse voices ? Latino, gay, black, immigrant, female, et al ? somehow coalesced into a potent, vociferous, albeit hotly unstable coalition to vote more powerfully and more passionately than any time in our short history, mostly because they never really existed as a functioning coalition in our short history, until now.

This is what the Republican punditry and even many old-timer Dems are coming to terms with: America is no longer a nifty, sepia-toned melting pot kept anodyne and marginal by the rich, starchy bleach of the white ruling class.

Is it not the most astonishing thing? The country is not getting any whiter, older white bigoted people are helpfully dying off, and we now have a messy and nearly incomprehensible Catherine wheel of assorted nonwhite minorities (and women) all spinning, dancing and surging into the limelight ? not to mention the cross-breeds, the already mixed, the racially unidentifiable who are, say, a quarter black, a quarter Chinese, a quarter Indian, a third polyamorous and a tenth Cuban kinky hipster lesbian schoolteacher, with a no-religious-affiliation kicker. Sweet.

This is your new American majority, each and every one of whom terrifies the old guard, the rich white guys, Ted Nugent, Bill O?Reilly, and the way it used to be. And this is why the Republican party threw every repulsive weapon it had at Obama to try and avert the inevitable; deep down, they sensed their own imminent obsolescence, even if they didn?t quite believe it was possible.

And oh, they tried everything. Racism. Birtherism. Sexism. Abortion, birth control, ?legitimate rape? and irresponsible ?sluts.? Religious intolerance, homophobia, xenophobia, Socialism, Communism, Nazis, Kenya, monkeys, Big Bird, gun rights, tax laws, welfare, elitism, oil shortages, health care reform that would secretly herd up and kill the elderly. Just for starters.

Nothing worked. Check that: It all worked. Just not as well as it used to. As one distraught fundamentalist Christian activist said, ?It wasn?t that our message didn?t get out. We got the message out. But our message was rejected.?




Is this a good thing? This is, of course, a very good thing. On the other hand, it?s also all flavors of potential bedlam, with every group and region now demanding its own representation, its own voice, its own right to stir things up and be heard. Or maybe they just want what the white menfolk have had all along: a more honest chance, and a game that?s not rigged against them from the start. I know! The nerve!

So here we have Obama?s 2012 America, a riot of color and noise, melodrama and fierce clamoring for attention. Can it all possibly hold together? Not a chance. Does it have to hold together lest we implode and melt down even further? Without a doubt.

This is why the reaction to Rainbow Bright America has been, to say the least, exhilarating, and strange, and all over the map. Say what you will about unhappy white males running the joint for the last 200 (or 2,000) years. At least they were consistent. Consistently intolerant, patriarchal, oppressive, ruthlessly capitalistic and just a little bit sad? Of course. What the hell do you want from paranoid, monochromatic Christians, enlightenment?

One point everyone agrees on: The channels must open. We must broaden the social lens, appeal to the wider spectrum, understand there is no longer a single religion, voice, sex, color, attitude, or even standardized marriage format that rules the land. Sure, we?ve always been diverse. But we?ve never been completely guided by it.

Is part of the answer to become more multicultural, multilingual, open-ended? It would seem to go without saying. It would seem we should begin, quite directly, with education, and immediately require Spanish, Latin, passing fluency in German, maybe a little Chinese, just in case. Don?t you think?

Praise Jesus, we no longer have a single dominant religion. Even Christmas, which used to be relatively charming and quaint and even a tiny bit sacred, was sold to Wal-Mart for scrap something like 30 years ago; everyone knows we have no major holidays left that aren?t owned by corporations that openly hate you.

Hence, would it kill us to learn a little about, say, Diwali, India?s breathtaking festival of lights? How about Dia de Los Muertos, and Samhain, and Buddha?s birthday? How about teaching kids a little about Christian mysticism, goddess lore, a hint of Wicca, toss in a few of the 3 million Hindu gods? Why not?

You disagree? Oh right, like hammering them with uptight Christian doctrine for all these years has worked so well. Do you want to see the election results again? Shall we talk teen pregnancy rates, divorce rates, just who it was who sent out the most racist, hateful, intolerant Tweets after the election? Didn?t think so.

I know a little of what I speak. As a not wildly young, indo-European white guy myself, I can testify that it is both scary and oddly refreshing to slide so dramatically into the cultural minority. And we?re certainly not all bad ? far from it. Of course, I?m nowhere near as endangered and obsolete as, say, the Catholic church, who is right now trying ? quite miserably ? to wrap its crusty, blood-caked talons around the throat of giddy gay marriage and choke it to death.

(Oh, by the way? This is how you know. This is how you understand you are on the right side of history, culture, love. When the pope and his armies of flying monkeys shake and fume so violently over a new definition of love that their eyeballs curdle, you know you?re doing something very right indeed).

Let us not get too carried away. White ruling classes aren?t quite gone yet. Obama still won a huge and relatively normal percentage of white voters, and Romney got quite a bit more (although, interestingly, the four states with the highest percentage of them ? ME, VT, IA, NH ? all went for BO).

It?s just that they didn?t matter as much this time around. Not nearly as much as they mattered to Mitt Romney and the GOP, for whom scared white males in particular were the foundation, lifeblood, the meaning of all goddamn existence. And when that meaning is removed? When that long-standing, ironclad political underpinning is uprooted and proven no longer reliable, and never will be again?

You get shock. Awe. Bewilderment. And roughly 4,000 political pundits from every media outlet spinning in the grave of their stunned analysis. Awesome.

But most of all, you get to experience something we in America just don?t get to enjoy all that often. We get to experience the wonderful, terrible, completely disorienting thrill of remaking ourselves anew, changing the conversation, exploding the stagnant American experiment and assembling it into something we just haven?t had the parts to attempt before.

Isn?t that fantastic? Isn?t that destabilizing? Isn?t that what the warped American idea is supposed to be about, after all?

Wow! Who are you and WHAT have been smoking?

And wait just a cotton pickin minute!! ...warped American idea' ?
Did notice that your diatribe. If you or anyone like you dosen't love America that why don't take sorry communist ass back to mother Russia and get in the bread line! "Blame America First" scumbags like you love to slag the Greatest country God ever allowed to exist but first you'll TAKE what you want more than likely provided people ( who have a job in Obamaland ). You a low and your not worth killing! Pack your crap and leave!!!
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sgb2112

Yes
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sgb2112

Yes, I will take from a group of thieves that you so identify with. You stole the entire damn continent.

http://youtu.be/gTrbVf6SrCc
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HeavyHitter32

sgb2112 wrote:
Yes, I will take from a group of thieves that you so identify with. You stole the entire damn continent.

http://youtu.be/...Vf6SrCc


SGB2112,

What ethnicity are you?
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

I have never been a Republican, nor have I even attended a dunction that involved Republicans. With that said, I could not in good faith vote for Obama in either election. What sickens me is that any little criticism of Obama, or Clinton before, are taken (were taken) as insults, but the same people think it's personal fine to insult Romney with him pumping gas, or call Palin filthy names. What votes of Obama, and Clinton before him, want is NOT EQUALITY, they want POWER, and using double-standards in their quest for power is perfectly fine in their book, but they will deny what they were doing in the same manner as an unfaithful spouse with deny that they were adulterous. "Honey, this naked woman next to me is simply a woman that was drunk, and accidently climbed into bed with me. But, at no time was I ever engaged in sex with her."
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robinn3403

Check the true history it was bought from the native Americans.
But again, to assuage your guilt just move out of the country and you won't have to participate.
Do you live here anyway?
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db144

robin:

Stop with the poor, poor American Indian BS. They were as bad to each other if not worse than what the White man did to them.

They had slaves, tortured, and murdered each other long before the whites ever set foot in America.

Go cry for them somewhere else.

d
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sgb2112

"Indian Chief 'Two Eagles' was asked by a white government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done.'

The Chief nodded in agreement.

The official continued, 'Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?'

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. 'When white man find this land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.'

Then the chief leaned back and smiled.

'Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.'
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Nautilus1975

sgb2112 wrote:
Yes, I will take from a group of thieves that you so identify with. You stole the entire damn continent.

http://youtu.be/...Vf6SrCc


Don't tell this guy who Jacques Cartier is or what years which European empires colonized north America - the facts may disturb his so deeply he questions everything he ever thought he knew and understood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ance_map-en.svg

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Nautilus1975

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
Yes, I will take from a group of thieves that you so identify with. You stole the entire damn continent.

http://youtu.be/gTrbVf6SrCc

SGB2112,

What ethnicity are you?


He probably can't answer that fully.....
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Nautilus1975

db144 wrote:
robin:

Stop with the poor, poor American Indian BS. They were as bad to each other if not worse than what the White man did to them.

They had slaves, tortured, and murdered each other long before the whites ever set foot in America.

Go cry for them somewhere else.

d



Same with the blacks - they scream about slavery and how whites enslaved them - the fact is their own people conquered them and had them chained up on the docks and ready for sale -

Like anyone is stupid enough to believe malnourished, scurvy ravaged European sailors could cross the ocean in a state of nausea for months at a time, eating rotten food and being beaten to death by a boat that was falling apart the entire way and on the verge of sinking, rising up and down in 30 foot seas, and hit the beach and chase down physically superior natives that could run like the wind and fight jungle animals daily for survival? And actually prevail, capture them and drag them back home with no fight?

HA!

all the political correctness and poppycock that gets passed around these days - too bad you fall for it instead of seeking the truth and benefiting yourself with the facts so you can advance beyond the false state of self created bliss you seem to want to exist in
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