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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I have Zat's literature, including his book. Don't worry about me, Fred. Just learn to take a proper photograph (being the 'scientist' you are) and post that. And don't forget the leg shot to go with it. All in good time.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Fred, while we're at it... would love to see any before and after photos of Slow Burn clients. Surely you must have photos (I included photos of some of my clients in the IART materials). Or how about yourself... how much mass did you increase since moving from SS? Heck, I remember you stating that you were 174 pounds a year or two back, and now you're 164 pounds? Maybe time to go back to SS.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
Farhad, here is my question if you want another go at it.

Could you go from 10 bw pull ups with perfect from to 10 pull ups with 300kg in addition to bw with perfect form without getting bigger?


useless question, but I'll answer with a 'No'. But that does NOT contradict the fact that one can get stronger WITHOUT muscle hypertrophy. I will not repeat what Brian has repeated here a hundred times.

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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
I have Zat's literature, including his book. Don't worry about me, Fred. Just learn to take a proper photograph (being the 'scientist' you are) and post that. And don't forget the leg shot to go with it. All in good time.


***Why "all in due time?" What are you doing between now and then? Hmmm...

I am NOT a scientist. I try my best to think like one at least.

The leg shot is cheap of course. But here is a recent one. They are coming back slowly but surely.
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
I would love to see a video of you, taken from the side, demonstrating how you maintain the exact same form from beginning to end. Or do you do just one rep, lol? Otherwise, you're full of BS... I've never seen it with anyone. The quads fatigue and the body automatically will adjust itself.

This is true even with a Smith machine or Zane leg blaster. The only other explanation is that you have a 12" torso or you don't squat very hard at all (and will never achieve your 1,000 pounds squat). Then again, you're a high school stupid making all kinds of claims.


At least I know how to squat properly. Maybe find yourself a good trainer to teach you the basics?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What am I doing? I need to borrow a camera to do the filming... or buy one. Or maybe I'm going to do Slow Burn and get really massive.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Sounds like you would be a good teacher, Mr. Strong. I look forward to that video (taken from the side) to demonstrate how each rep is exactly like the previous without any change in form or mechanics.
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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

"Fred, while we're at it... would love to see any before and after photos of Slow Burn clients. Surely you must have photos (I included photos of some of my clients in the IART materials)."

****Nice shift of the goal posts. A common Johnston logical fallacy technique. I do not take photos of my clients. But I do have a few who might let me post them. I'll ask.

"Or how about yourself... how much mass did you increase since moving from SS? Heck, I remember you stating that you were 174 pounds a year or two back, and now you're 164 pounds? Maybe time to go back to SS."

****2 years ago I leaned down to 151 (8% BF) to see if this would help my osteoarthritis. It didn't. I am now 170 at 12% BF.

Here is a side chest while still doing SS.

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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

Side chest doing SB for a few years:

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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
I would love to see a video of you, taken from the side, demonstrating how you maintain the exact same form from beginning to end. Or do you do just one rep, lol? Otherwise, you're full of BS... I've never seen it with anyone. The quads fatigue and the body automatically will adjust itself.

This is true even with a Smith machine or Zane leg blaster. The only other explanation is that you have a 12" torso or you don't squat very hard at all (and will never achieve your 1,000 pounds squat). Then again, you're a high school stupid making all kinds of claims.

At least I know how to squat properly. Maybe find yourself a good trainer to teach you the basics?


LMAO. God, I love this discussion board sometimes. It can be a great source of entertainment.

He's right Brian; sounds like you need a certified personal trainer. I know a few.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Not sure what you looked like before Slow Burn... and when did you hit your peak with SB or is it still going? Also, a few weeks back you noted that you were 164 pounds... how did you gain 5+ pounds since then... hormone replacement?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Hard to tell from the photos... you're turned a bit more in the second; the second is more close up; the second is of darker lighting, which contributes to shadows and appearance.
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Dan Davidson

Connecticut, USA

Seriousstrength wrote:
Side chest doing SB for a few years:



Fred, glad you thought to take the photos. Man, are they telling! Nice to have the proof isn't it. Not much for the 'ultimate' camp (not you Brian) to say now is there.

Maybe some will start to understand the true 'picture' in regards to the 'Ultimate Exercise Protocol'.....but, I doubt they will admit anything.

Bill, sorry I didn't start a new thread..
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Sounds like you would be a good teacher, Mr. Strong. I look forward to that video (taken from the side) to demonstrate how each rep is exactly like the previous without any change in form or mechanics.


Brian,
Mr Strong is clearly an advanced strength coach; why not debate him without video demands and silly posts from farhad?
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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Not sure what you looked like before Slow Burn... and when did you hit your peak with SB or is it still going? Also, a few weeks back you noted that you were 164 pounds... how did you gain 5+ pounds since then... hormone replacement?


****No massive amounts of dianabol with a tequila lime chaser.
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gmlongo

Connecticut, USA

Tomislav wrote:
Mr Strong is clearly an advanced strength coach

LOL...now I've heard it all. First, Brian needs a trainer, now this. It would be funny if it wasn't so moronic.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Tomislov... he's claiming his ability to squat in such a way that I've never seen it. I would like to see it. I would be very impressed to see it (sans a 50 pound bar for 8 reps). I am stating out right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to close in toward fatigue (9 or so out of 10 in effort) in the squat without a change in form... of shifting from thighs to butt and low back.

In fact, THAT is what makes squats so effective over leg presses... the shifting of tension throughout the quads as fatigue sinks in. With a leg press, you stay locked in position, but with squats you can work more muscle simply because YOU CAN alter positioning as the tissues fatigue (thus bringing into play more tissue).
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Brian Johnston wrote:
Sounds like you would be a good teacher, Mr. Strong. I look forward to that video (taken from the side) to demonstrate how each rep is exactly like the previous without any change in form or mechanics.





Oh dear, this is worrying. Are you coaching this type of squat, where you go beyond form breakdown?

My form is the same on each rep.

It is not a good idea to train beyond the point where you can do so safely.

The squat is like all exercises, maintain form and control from the start to the end of a set.
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Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislov... he's claiming his ability to squat in such a way that I've never seen it. I would like to see it. I would be very impressed to see it (sans a 50 pound bar for 8 reps). I am stating out right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to close in toward fatigue (9 or so out of 10 in effort) in the squat without a change in form... of shifting from thighs to butt and low back.

In fact, THAT is what makes squats so effective over leg presses... the shifting of tension throughout the quads as fatigue sinks in. With a leg press, you stay locked in position, but with squats you can work more muscle simply because YOU CAN alter positioning as the tissues fatigue (thus bringing into play more tissue).




You find squatting with proper form impossible?

35 years.........
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Mr. Strong

gmlongo wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Mr Strong is clearly an advanced strength coach

LOL...now I've heard it all. First, Brian needs a trainer, now this. It would be funny if it wasn't so moronic.




Do you also suggest squatting beyond form breakdown?
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislov... he's claiming his ability to squat in such a way that I've never seen it. I would like to see it. I would be very impressed to see it (sans a 50 pound bar for 8 reps). I am stating out right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to close in toward fatigue (9 or so out of 10 in effort) in the squat without a change in form... of shifting from thighs to butt and low back.

In fact, THAT is what makes squats so effective over leg presses... the shifting of tension throughout the quads as fatigue sinks in. With a leg press, you stay locked in position, but with squats you can work more muscle simply because YOU CAN alter positioning as the tissues fatigue (thus bringing into play more tissue).



You find squatting with proper form impossible?

35 years.........


HOLY CRAP.

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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
gmlongo wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Mr Strong is clearly an advanced strength coach

LOL...now I've heard it all. First, Brian needs a trainer, now this. It would be funny if it wasn't so moronic.



Do you also suggest squatting beyond form breakdown?


HOLY CRAP.

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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislov... he's claiming his ability to squat in such a way that I've never seen it. I would like to see it. I would be very impressed to see it (sans a 50 pound bar for 8 reps). I am stating out right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to close in toward fatigue (9 or so out of 10 in effort) in the squat without a change in form... of shifting from thighs to butt and low back.

In fact, THAT is what makes squats so effective over leg presses... the shifting of tension throughout the quads as fatigue sinks in. With a leg press, you stay locked in position, but with squats you can work more muscle simply because YOU CAN alter positioning as the tissues fatigue (thus bringing into play more tissue).


This also increases the chances of bringing other muscle groups more into play to complete the final few repetitions, which may or may not be a good thing, depending how much one wants to target specifically the quads.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislov... he's claiming his ability to squat in such a way that I've never seen it. I would like to see it. I would be very impressed to see it (sans a 50 pound bar for 8 reps). I am stating out right that it is IMPOSSIBLE to close in toward fatigue (9 or so out of 10 in effort) in the squat without a change in form... of shifting from thighs to butt and low back.

In fact, THAT is what makes squats so effective over leg presses... the shifting of tension throughout the quads as fatigue sinks in. With a leg press, you stay locked in position, but with squats you can work more muscle simply because YOU CAN alter positioning as the tissues fatigue (thus bringing into play more tissue).


Really? Well I don't alter positioning, never break form; first rep is no different than the 30th:

http://www.youtube.com/...h?v=bsW8QXLB5oo

Like sprinting, this technique builds big wheels and lumbars ideal for explosive dashes where you can't alter positioning (and the ROM is even less).
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

It's not form breakdown... it's position adjustment relative to fatigue. I'm not telling people to alter form to the point of injury... and you NEVER will post a video of what you are suggesting. So you might as well drop it. Heck, since you are a top strength coach, you could even videotape a client or someone demonstrating what you're talking about. Remember... taken from the side so that we can see there is ZERO change in ANY body part from start to end. Or do you recommend doing squats to a level 5 out of 10 in effort only? LOL
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