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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

"Fred, you are claiming that a person does not have to do Zone work..."

***Zone work overcomes crappy resistance curves. That is their main benefit, not that you can do more total reps per zone. When you do the research, call me.

"or if you recall me suggesting implementing light dumbbells with the Nautilus Flye machine to give a very different 'hybrid' feel... "

*****Feel does not supercede Henneman's size principle or the overload principle.

"And in both instances you said it was pointless if a person had the right equipment and curves/cams."

****Essentially yes. If your chest flye machine has a well desinged cam, there is no need for the added dumbbell flyes. You are NOT going to make a noticible pec difference by doing so.

"Well, if the perfect cam/curve does not exist, then why not experiment with variations of tension and stimulation?"

***Experiment all you like! But going by *feel* isn't necessarily the way to go. There are rules that govern how we build muscle that one must follow.

If XForce is truly a superior stimulus, then it is.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I have MedX equipment, besides cables and freeweights (the latter two of which have built more muscle and bodies than the equipment you use at your facility)... and I can get incredible effect with the MedX equipment, which must have 'crappy' resistance curves according to you.

Different qualities of tension and how a muscle responds to different resistance curves is a different concept to that of the Size Principle or the Overload Principle. It is an adjunct to those concepts and training effectiveness. When you understand that, call me.

Training effectiveness is based on the nature of the training and what one has adapted to. You never did apply the dumbbell/machine combo I suggested and, therefore, should have no comment on it. You are guessing, as you usually do, rather than actually applying and discovering. If you think something 'different' will have no effect on a body part, then why did you move from SS to SB?

Amazing that you consider yourself an expert in weight training (and presumably bodybuilding since you voice your opinion on building muscle), and yet we are to ignore 'feel'???? So why bother with better force curves if they only feel better? Why not do an exercise that feels uncomfortable and ignore the feeling of it?

Why wouldn't a person apply exercise modalities that feel more challenging or unique or different? And if you actually went by feel and did some of the things I've done recently, you wouldn't be yammering about what I say is BS. This is like a person not doing SB and stating SB sucks.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

Potential strength curves do not vary significantly from individual to individual. Further, potential strength curves are different from starting strength curves. Good machine design, and in fact most of the equipment I have worked with, is close enough to an individuals potential strength curve.

You will never see anyone produce evidence to the contrary. Because they are making it up.

If you train the way you "feel" you will never achieve optimal development.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Expert opinion from the high school student who has yet to show a photo, but claims to be over 200 pounds (is that correct... over 200 pounds? Maybe Fred would be interested in your photo as well).

I have good equipment, but the CHALLENGE of attempting different things on that equipment, rather than cowering behind the same protocol over and over is what I'm referring to as 'feel.' Ape mentality vs. a free spirit who enjoys creativity.

And your opinion on muscle strength curve vs. machine force curve is pointless. Every person will share a similarity in terms of a strength curve, but there are differences across the spectrum... from one end of the bell curve to the other... and machines have but one force curve (barring Strive equipment... and even then you cannot match perfectly any machine to all individuals).

And that's my other point... I never said that it needed to be done, but since there is no perfect equipment, to even suggest (as Fred did) that creating movement patterns and challenging the muscles in different ways is of NO VALUE does not devalue what I'm stating.
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NewYorker

New York, USA

It's not pointless, achieving your potential strength should be the goal of a proper exercise protocol.

That's the problem with most trainers. They are lazy. They would rather sell their touchy feely bullshit than offer anything of value.

There is no rigor behind their claims. Just hot air and fantasy.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What about achieving your potential muscle mass? Different people have different goals, no? My strength develops nicely, and I don't even have to think about it or worry about it. My focus is on the muscle and my appearance and I let the strength take care of itself. That's the problem with some people... they can't think outside the box, they hide behind their computers and can only spew the same 'lift more' BS without considering that it's more important HOW you lift weight than how much you lift.

As for 'rigors,' it is vital to explore and experiment in order to discover:

?Creativity is intelligence having fun.?

?Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.?

Albert Einstein
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NewYorker

New York, USA

What isn't be measured, isn't achieved.

Part of the fun of working out is watching yourself improve.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

NewYorker wrote:
What isn't be measured, isn't achieved.

Part of the fun of working out is watching yourself improve.


Feel isn't a form of measurement? Tell that to the blind...
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

NewYorker wrote:
What isn't be measured, isn't achieved.

Part of the fun of working out is watching yourself improve.


Wrong on point #1. Just because one doesn't keep track of his strength increases every workout, does not necessarily mean that he is not getting stronger. metaphysical vs. epistemological.

Half right on point #2. I exercise to improve my physique; to look better, not just in terms of muscle size, but also muscle density, hardness, and definition. These all can be achieved without keeping track of how much I am increasing in loads. SEEING the physical improvements in appearance, is enough for ME.

The byproducts such as being able to bench press 5 lbs more than last week are just that, byproducts of muscle hypertrophy.It's nice, but it's not my primary concern. But, that's ME.

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Mr. Strong

NewYorker wrote:
It's not pointless, achieving your potential strength should be the goal of a proper exercise protocol.

That's the problem with most trainers. They are lazy. They would rather sell their touchy feely bullshit than offer anything of value.

There is no rigor behind their claims. Just hot air and fantasy.


Good post. Especially the middle point.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
It's not pointless, achieving your potential strength should be the goal of a proper exercise protocol.

That's the problem with most trainers. They are lazy. They would rather sell their touchy feely bullshit than offer anything of value.

There is no rigor behind their claims. Just hot air and fantasy.

Good post. Especially the middle point.


Proper exercise protocol depends on the goals, needs,limitations, and preferences of the individual.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Mr. Strong wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
It's not pointless, achieving your potential strength should be the goal of a proper exercise protocol.

That's the problem with most trainers. They are lazy. They would rather sell their touchy feely bullshit than offer anything of value.

There is no rigor behind their claims. Just hot air and fantasy.

Good post. Especially the middle point.


That's because there is no barrier to entry in the biz. Don't mix up bodybuilding feel for functional funky fads though.
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jitterbug

Mr. Strong wrote:
NewYorker wrote:
It's not pointless, achieving your potential strength should be the goal of a proper exercise protocol.

That's the problem with most trainers. They are lazy. They would rather sell their touchy feely bullshit than offer anything of value.

There is no rigor behind their claims. Just hot air and fantasy.

Good post. Especially the middle point.


X2
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.





Yeah sounds great, but then what will you be doing next week? And the week after that? Maybe you don't have a long attention span? :)
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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.


****"Stand out like crazy." How scientific. Stand on your head for an hour and your neck muscles will "stand out like crazy" too. Jeez.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Seriousstrength wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.

****"Stand out like crazy." How scientific. Stand on your head for an hour and your neck muscles will "stand out like crazy" too. Jeez.


He is purposely,being a bit cheeky...you really don't get that?!
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jitterbug

Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.




Yeah sounds great, but then what will you be doing next week? And the week after that? Maybe you don't have a long attention span? :)



Mr.Strong,

Of course he will be on to the next magic pill.

Ed
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Seriousstrength

New York, USA

What do these machines cost Dr. Darden?
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Ellington Darden

Seriousstrength wrote:
What do these machines cost Dr. Darden?


Ten to $12,000 for each one.

Ellington

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jastrain

Ellington Darden wrote:
Seriousstrength wrote:
What do these machines cost Dr. Darden?

Ten to $12,000 for each one.

Ellington



if i hit the big time--i think i will buy 10--used though!!!lol
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

jitterbug wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.




Yeah sounds great, but then what will you be doing next week? And the week after that? Maybe you don't have a long attention span? :)


Mr.Strong,

Of course he will be on to the next magic pill.

Ed


You mean like a new machine design, new add on techniques. Like reinventing isometrics by tracking with a load cell/force gauge system? You mean like better pulleys? These can all be considered new solutions and if scoffed at considered as...magic pills. You'd think after all the haters towards RenX you'd know better than this by now...
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Mr. Strong

AShortt wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.




Yeah sounds great, but then what will you be doing next week? And the week after that? Maybe you don't have a long attention span? :)


Mr.Strong,

Of course he will be on to the next magic pill.

Ed

You mean like a new machine design, new add on techniques. Like reinventing isometrics by tracking with a load cell/force gauge system? You mean like better pulleys? These can all be considered new solutions and if scoffed at considered as...magic pills. You'd think after all the haters towards RenX you'd know better than this by now...


RenEx wasn't even mentioned.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

AShortt wrote:
You mean like a new machine design, new add on techniques. Like reinventing isometrics by tracking with a load cell/force gauge system? You mean like better pulleys? These can all be considered new solutions and if scoffed at considered as...magic pills. You'd think after all the haters towards RenX you'd know better than this by now...


Mr. Strong wrote:
RenEx wasn't even mentioned.


It's hard to tell whether you're being dense on purpose or not?
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Mr. Strong wrote:
AShortt wrote:
jitterbug wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Yes, excellent post! :-)

Off to work on my materials... currently writing on the subject of cluster sets and implementing heavy loading with occlusion light loading. Interesting stuff that makes the muscles stand out like crazy. Bye for a while boys.




Yeah sounds great, but then what will you be doing next week? And the week after that? Maybe you don't have a long attention span? :)


Mr.Strong,

Of course he will be on to the next magic pill.

Ed

You mean like a new machine design, new add on techniques. Like reinventing isometrics by tracking with a load cell/force gauge system? You mean like better pulleys? These can all be considered new solutions and if scoffed at considered as...magic pills. You'd think after all the haters towards RenX you'd know better than this by now...

RenEx wasn't even mentioned.


Sure it was...I mentioned it ;n)
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