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highheavy

Tennessee, USA

Ed,

I'm stating the obvious - the set lasted almost 6 minutes in total.

It began with a 90 second TSC of Leg Press - not ADduction or ABduction (as you wrongly suggest) and WITHOUT ANY RESPITE, went directly into dynamic performance of the exercise.

Maybe you can produce the video again and let the folks decide who is the liar or stupid one here.

I count that as one giant set as most probably would.

First you call me a liar. Second I'm just angry. Now I'm stupid.


Look, if you desire further reading material - in addition to your RenEx manual, I'd suggest the works of
L Ron Hubbard.

You'd probably enjoy his stuff because there are remarkable similarities between the two.

You might start with the story of space opera - it's kind of like their manual.

It's entertaining to read. Festooned with amazing and outlandish claims - just no supporting evidence.
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jitterbug

highheavy wrote:
Ed,

You...I mean Ken refers to high intensity exercise with a meaningful resistance as lasting from 1-4 minutes.

Why instruct a person for nearly 6 minutes on Leg Press? This is absurdly long and completely unnecessary and undesirable if strengthening is the goal.

In order to rehabilitate, does the subject not need to increase strength?

I'd point out that you are wrong about the length of time on the video, but it has been removed so I cannot, but anyone that saw it observed the same thing I did: 90 seconds of TSC followed by 12 dynamic repetitions at a cadence of 10/10.

If your math isn't up to par, that's 5:30, but allowing for the turnarounds, it was near 6 full minutes.

I've lied about nothing and it wasn't a matter of qualifying for their certification as you put it.

I just didn't view an expenditure like that as something I'd ever get much of a return on. Especially when considering the fact that I have a nationally recognized certification that gets me in the door of nearly any facility I want - not laughed out.

You could take the top 5 certifications in terms of being recognized within the health and fitness industry: ACSM, NSCA, NASM, ACE and AFAA and by take, I mean purchase the programs and test and you would still have money left when compared to the RenEx certification which is totally unrecognized.

I mean this is no longer diminishing returns...there are no returns!




Mr.highheavy,

As I thought you don't even know what you are looking at nor did you read the associated article.

It's called Leg Press Triad, TSC Hip exercises are done in the Leg Press position before dynamic Leg Press.

I'm sorry for calling you a liar you are just ignorant.

Ed
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jitterbug

Brian Johnston wrote:
Ed, you are speculating as well, or I might say ASSuming things. I have been in that condition, but I did not compete. I got very lean many times in the past, at about 5% body fat. The first time was in my early 20s. Nor do I care how well I would do against Josh or anyone else. Bodybuilding competition interests me as much as poking my eyes out. Best wishes.


Mr.Johnston,

Surely you must have a photo.

Ed
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tifhw

Louisiana, USA

highheavy wrote:
Ed,

I'm stating the obvious - the set lasted almost 6 minutes in total.

It began with a 90 second TSC of Leg Press - not ADduction or ABduction (as you wrongly suggest) and WITHOUT ANY RESPITE, went directly into dynamic performance of the exercise.

Maybe you can produce the video again and let the folks decide who is the liar or stupid one here.

I count that as one giant set as most probably would.

First you call me a liar. Second I'm just angry. Now I'm stupid.


Look, if you desire further reading material - in addition to your RenEx manual, I'd suggest the works of
L Ron Hubbard.

You'd probably enjoy his stuff because there are remarkable similarities between the two.

You might start with the story of space opera - it's kind of like their manual.

It's entertaining to read. Festooned with amazing and outlandish claims - just no supporting evidence.



Highheavy guy,

Josh asked me to post this its from article that went with the video.

"Ken: During her workout on December 16, 2012, just two weeks prior to her fall, Brenda performed 8 repetitions to failure on Leg Press with 265 lbs after pre-exhaustion with static Hip ABduction. Her stroke, with delimited full extension, was 7.5 inches.

Hence, the total amount of work she performed under continuous load was 15,900 inch pounds.

On July 19, 2013 we videoed her under the same conditions, but with 280 lbs, performing 10 repetitions almost to failure. Total work performed = 21,000 inch pounds. This is a 32% increase."
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tifhw

Louisiana, USA

Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.
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Turpin

tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.


Trentine has reached professional level by subjectivity ( that's what pageants are ... anothers opinion of that which you should already know about yourself , trouble is Trentine is deluded by poor observation/praise ).
I `have not` because bodybuilding competition and another's opinion of my look does not interest me , I am content with my opinion of myself , AND I hold my look in higher esteem than I do that of Trentine`s.

T.

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Turpin

tifhw wrote:

Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.



Your `Mr Universe` competitor ( Joshy ... LOL )

T.
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Turpin

The non-competitive home trainer ;)

T xx
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Ed, surely you have a photo of yourself. As well, any older photos are actual photos, not digital (remember, I'm in my late 40s and I just clarified to your brain that the first time I got very lean was in my early 20s). Buy me a scanner, mail it to me, make sure any custom and duty is covered, and I'll upload one for you. Better yet, please ignore my existence from now on. There is something odd about you and several others who are obsessed with my conditioning and what I've accomplished... all the while looking as though you never trained a day in your life. You are better off to focus on optimizing your own training and not worry about the likes of me and how I compare to your messiah who has a very average physique (nothing wrong with his physique, but it's very average and not worth getting your panties in a knot). As the Russians say, "poshol ti nahoo, mudak."
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Frig, if T had the same proportions of muscle at an extra 8 inches tall (to match that of Josh's), he would be friggin' massive and impressive!
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jitterbug

tifhw wrote:
highheavy wrote:
Ed,

I'm stating the obvious - the set lasted almost 6 minutes in total.

It began with a 90 second TSC of Leg Press - not ADduction or ABduction (as you wrongly suggest) and WITHOUT ANY RESPITE, went directly into dynamic performance of the exercise.

Maybe you can produce the video again and let the folks decide who is the liar or stupid one here.

I count that as one giant set as most probably would.

First you call me a liar. Second I'm just angry. Now I'm stupid.


Look, if you desire further reading material - in addition to your RenEx manual, I'd suggest the works of
L Ron Hubbard.

You'd probably enjoy his stuff because there are remarkable similarities between the two.

You might start with the story of space opera - it's kind of like their manual.

It's entertaining to read. Festooned with amazing and outlandish claims - just no supporting evidence.



Highheavy guy,

Josh asked me to post this its from article that went with the video.

"Ken: During her workout on December 16, 2012, just two weeks prior to her fall, Brenda performed 8 repetitions to failure on Leg Press with 265 lbs after pre-exhaustion with static Hip ABduction. Her stroke, with delimited full extension, was 7.5 inches.

Hence, the total amount of work she performed under continuous load was 15,900 inch pounds.

On July 19, 2013 we videoed her under the same conditions, but with 280 lbs, performing 10 repetitions almost to failure. Total work performed = 21,000 inch pounds. This is a 32% increase."



Mrs.tifhw,

Exactly, this man doesn't even have enough info to evaluate what he's looking at.

Ed
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ron33

tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.


I know i am not turpin,but a lot of people that have been around gyms and the body building scene have been soured, by the behind the scenes activity that goes on to do well in bbing contests.In a lot of cases the old saying its Who You Know and Who You Blow that will get you farther than how well built you are.There have many cases of this in the sport and smart people know it might not be worth their time and effort to be involved in something that is easily biased....
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highheavy

Tennessee, USA

Ed,

I'm no longer stupid, simply ignorant.

What a relief - thank you!

And I admit, I probably don't know what I was looking at because that was without a doubt one of the most bizarre exercise videos I've ever witnessed.

I'm talking right up there with squats on a Swiss ball!

Please post that video again - I beg you!

At least you do admit that you instruct as long as 4 minutes - way too long for most sets and ESPECIALLY someone in a frail state.


The name - Leg press Triad - I LOVE that! It goes along nicely with this whole cult-like thing. You know - the unholy trinity of leg presses.

There are a lot of other great made up terms, too.

Outroading comes to mind first. It means excursion, but has never been used in the context of exercise until your cult coined its usage.

Lastly, the numbers you provide remind me of the old saying someone mentioned to me the other day - figures don't lie, but liars figure.

Certainly numbers, facts and figures are important, but I'm a pretty simple guy. I like tangible evidence. Things I can see first hand. Real life examples.

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Landau

Florida, USA

tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.


WTF Kind of Complete BS Propaganda is this? The Highest Level of Bodybuilding? Having been a Competitor since 1978 and a Judge since 1981, it is Now time to Shut this Silly Thread Down. Turpin Clearly has the better Physique Regardless of Height and Weight. Here is a Former Lightweight Champion from years ago that is barely over 5'2" and 150 lbs that attained a Very High Level
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Landau

Florida, USA

jitterbug wrote:
tifhw wrote:
highheavy wrote:
Ed,

I'm stating the obvious - the set lasted almost 6 minutes in total.

It began with a 90 second TSC of Leg Press - not ADduction or ABduction (as you wrongly suggest) and WITHOUT ANY RESPITE, went directly into dynamic performance of the exercise.

Maybe you can produce the video again and let the folks decide who is the liar or stupid one here.

I count that as one giant set as most probably would.

First you call me a liar. Second I'm just angry. Now I'm stupid.


Look, if you desire further reading material - in addition to your RenEx manual, I'd suggest the works of
L Ron Hubbard.

You'd probably enjoy his stuff because there are remarkable similarities between the two.

You might start with the story of space opera - it's kind of like their manual.

It's entertaining to read. Festooned with amazing and outlandish claims - just no supporting evidence.



Highheavy guy,

Josh asked me to post this its from article that went with the video.

"Ken: During her workout on December 16, 2012, just two weeks prior to her fall, Brenda performed 8 repetitions to failure on Leg Press with 265 lbs after pre-exhaustion with static Hip ABduction. Her stroke, with delimited full extension, was 7.5 inches.

Hence, the total amount of work she performed under continuous load was 15,900 inch pounds.

On July 19, 2013 we videoed her under the same conditions, but with 280 lbs, performing 10 repetitions almost to failure. Total work performed = 21,000 inch pounds. This is a 32% increase."


Mrs.tifhw,

Exactly, this man doesn't even have enough info to evaluate what he's looking at.

Ed


"Adaptation" to a Skill (Useless) or an Event that is Akin to Parlor Training.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

David, this should serve as an example of how a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle. This is not to knock the woman (and most women don't gain a lot of muscle in any case), but that it serves an example of getting good at a movement and improving upon its performance is very much skill oriented and has far less to do with muscle hypertrophy, which requires a different method of training with its own requirements. Of course, we're beating a dead horse when stating as much.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
David, this should serve as an example of how a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle. This is not to knock the woman (and most women don't gain a lot of muscle in any case), but that it serves an example of getting good at a movement and improving upon its performance is very much skill oriented and has far less to do with muscle hypertrophy, which requires a different method of training with its own requirements. Of course, we're beating a dead horse when stating as much.


I Concur
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
David, this should serve as an example of how a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle. This is not to knock the woman (and most women don't gain a lot of muscle in any case), but that it serves an example of getting good at a movement and improving upon its performance is very much skill oriented and has far less to do with muscle hypertrophy, which requires a different method of training with its own requirements. Of course, we're beating a dead horse when stating as much.




30% isn't that large an improvement, especially on a machine.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.
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jitterbug

Landau wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.

WTF Kind of Complete BS Propaganda is this? The Highest Level of Bodybuilding? Having been a Competitor since 1978 and a Judge since 1981, it is Now time to Shut this Silly Thread Down. Turpin Clearly has the better Physique Regardless of Height and Weight. Here is a Former Lightweight Champion from years ago that is barely over 5'2" and 150 lbs that attained a Very High Level



Mr.Landau,

Do you doubt that Mr.Trentine has competed at the highest level of natural bodybyuilding?

Why shut down the thread? it's a good conversation.

I don't think you can compare someone who is 5'2" or 5'3" to someone who is 6' feet tall very well. If you can do this at all you would have to see them together.

Why don't you guys wait until Mr.Trentine actually produces the final product before you criticize or hold non-sanctioned contests?

Ed
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
David, this should serve as an example of how

... a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle.


Extreme exaggeration Brian; this is like the story about athletes drinking a gallon of milk a day as a weight loss strategy.

No one goes from bench pressing around 200 lbs to bench pressing 300 lbs without gaining a great deal of muscle and ditto for any other compound.

I think Ace already called Andrew's bluff claiming he could add hundreds of lbs to his deadlift without gaining any muscle when in fact he had made "huge gains", just not where he wanted them.

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Tomislav

New York, USA

David,
given your knowledge of training I'm surprised you don't know more about nutrition; you should try drinking raw cream and milk instead of scoffing.

You're a student of history, study Blair/Johnson and see.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Not sure... show me a person who made such a gain, and how long did it take that person... 1 month or 20 years? Your questions reeks ignorance and lack of understanding in its school yard simplicity.

Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
David, this should serve as an example of how a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle. This is not to knock the woman (and most women don't gain a lot of muscle in any case), but that it serves an example of getting good at a movement and improving upon its performance is very much skill oriented and has far less to do with muscle hypertrophy, which requires a different method of training with its own requirements. Of course, we're beating a dead horse when stating as much.



30% isn't that large an improvement, especially on a machine.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.


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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I'm curious to know something as well... who the heck is so weak as to lift only 10 kg for 10 reps (whatever the exercise happens to be, but obviously not a machine, right?), and yet have the potential to do 500 kg for 10 reps in the same exercise... and I presume with the same quality of form? What exercise is this? How mental, lol.


Mr. Strong wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
David, this should serve as an example of how a person can gain 30+% LIFTING PROFICIENCY with little or no gain in muscle. This is not to knock the woman (and most women don't gain a lot of muscle in any case), but that it serves an example of getting good at a movement and improving upon its performance is very much skill oriented and has far less to do with muscle hypertrophy, which requires a different method of training with its own requirements. Of course, we're beating a dead horse when stating as much.



30% isn't that large an improvement, especially on a machine.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.


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highheavy

Tennessee, USA

Ed,

It's worse than I previously thought - MUCH WORSE!!!

I own the Medieval Misadventure...I mean RenEx manual and with the text book an audio cd was enclosed.

The cd is roughly an hour in length - slightly longer than you prefer for Leg Press, but anyways it has the "experts" discussing proper exercise.

One of these "experts" states that when he performs a push up - he does so in a SUPINE position.

This is a first in the history of the world because a push up can only be performed in a PRONE position!

You cannot make this kind of stuff up.

I've never wet my pants as an adult, but that cd brought me pretty close - it's like stand up comedians trying to be serious...the harder they try, the funnier things get.

You guys are a joke - literally!
Please produce another cd - please!

Not only do you not understand basic human physiology, you don't know UP FROM DOWN - LITERALLY!

Your approach to muscle building is like husky or seal liver to humans - HIGHLY TOXIC.

Am I lying about the cd as well or just ignorant???
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

tifhw wrote:
Highheavy guy,

Josh asked me to post this its from article that went with the video.

"Ken: During her workout on December 16, 2012, just two weeks prior to her fall, Brenda performed 8 repetitions to failure on Leg Press with 265 lbs after pre-exhaustion with static Hip ABduction. Her stroke, with delimited full extension, was 7.5 inches...

...On July 19, 2013 we videoed her under the same conditions, but with 280 lbs, performing 10 repetitions almost to failure. Total work performed = 21,000 inch pounds. This is a 32% increase."


7 months working the same modality on the same machine? And all you could get her was a 32% increase?! That's piss poor, especially when using that 'inch-lbs' measurement BS, which is stupid for lifting anyway.

A real 32% increase would have been somewhere in the neighborhood of 345 lbs for the same rep range.

And please drop the whole "Josh asked me to post this" act. The jig is up.
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