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Landau

Florida, USA

Tomislav wrote:
David,
given your knowledge of training I'm surprised you don't know more about nutrition; you should try drinking raw cream and milk instead of scoffing.

You're a student of history, study Blair/Johnson and see.


I eat Swanson Fried Chicken Dinners - End of Story and I'll "Scoff" when I want to. I used to talk to the Late Vic Boff any relation to Scoff?
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gmlongo

Connecticut, USA

I just find it odd that at the very mention of Josh, Turpin can't help but run and take his pants off for pictures. This thread is about the guys who are actually competing...Give credit where it is due.
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HeavyHitter32

Mr. Strong wrote:


30% isn't that large an improvement, especially on a machine.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.


lol Completely asinine.

Some of your posts are just so stupid, but I do get a laugh from them.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?

You want David to investigate Blair, etc., why not read up on adaptive coordination and skill proficiency... how the nervous system is plastic and can accommodate lifting ability increases WITHOUT gaining muscle.
Expert of fitness with a gut, lol.
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Landau

Florida, USA

jitterbug wrote:
Landau wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Whether you eat `raw` , eat `junk food ` or otherwise if it makes you fat / overweight it isn't doing you much good. Trentine is proof of that !

T.

My best guess is that you desperately want to be him.

Ha , ha ... my guess is that Trentine wishes he had my genetics ( even then Ren-ex would be a waste of such ).

T.


Oh wow! You must have great bodybuilding genetics, what titles have you won?

So you are saying Joshua has awful bodybuilding genetics?

Tif

Yes , Trentine has poor muscular / skeletal balance for bodybuilding ( wide pelvis , high calves, long pectorals .... etc etc ) and in my opinion is far from being a good bodybuilder let alone a good pro bodybuilder ( the latter being something earned thru subjectivity / opinion ).

Me ? ... Bodybuilding pageants are not my thing , altho I did compete once placing in the top 3 at our NABBA national championships back in the 80`s.
In Powerlifting I have many titles , and they were not based on subjectivity.

T.




Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.

WTF Kind of Complete BS Propaganda is this? The Highest Level of Bodybuilding? Having been a Competitor since 1978 and a Judge since 1981, it is Now time to Shut this Silly Thread Down. Turpin Clearly has the better Physique Regardless of Height and Weight. Here is a Former Lightweight Champion from years ago that is barely over 5'2" and 150 lbs that attained a Very High Level


Mr.Landau,

Do you doubt that Mr.Trentine has competed at the highest level of natural bodybyuilding?

Why shut down the thread? it's a good conversation.

I don't think you can compare someone who is 5'2" or 5'3" to someone who is 6' feet tall very well. If you can do this at all you would have to see them together.

Why don't you guys wait until Mr.Trentine actually produces the final product before you criticize or hold non-sanctioned contests?

Ed


"Reached the Highest Level" or "Competed at the Level" The "Unknown Bodybuilder" has Competed at the "Highest Level." What is "produces the final product?" I remember Dean Tornabeane (Spelling?) he destroyed every Teenager in 1978 and he was Barely over 5 Feet Tall, so again comparing? I was there Competing in the Open and saw it with my own eyes. Who ever "you" are, you are Unqualified to make any statements.
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Turpin

gmlongo wrote:
I just find it odd that at the very mention of Josh, Turpin can't help but run and take his pants off for pictures. This thread is about the guys who are actually competing...Give credit where it is due.


At least when I drop my pants for a picture there is something there to show ( year round ).
Why post pics claiming Josh to be `walking the walk` when he clearly is not !

T.

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coomo

Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?

You want David to investigate Blair, etc., why not read up on adaptive coordination and skill proficiency... how the nervous system is plastic and can accommodate lifting ability increases WITHOUT gaining muscle.
Expert of fitness with a gut, lol.

i concour Doubling of weight used on Duo Squat over 6 months with no noticable size increase.

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Mr. Strong

No one actually answered, I'll try again.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Landau wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
David,
given your knowledge of training I'm surprised you don't know more about nutrition; you should try drinking raw cream and milk instead of scoffing.

You're a student of history, study Blair/Johnson and see.


I eat Swanson Fried Chicken Dinners - End of Story and I'll "Scoff" when I want to. I used to talk to the Late Vic Boff any relation to Scoff?


Pretty cool David, I imagine he would have been an advocate of raw milk and cream.

Did he talk you into swimming in the ocean in the wintertime?
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?

You want David to investigate Blair, etc., why not read up on adaptive coordination and skill proficiency... how the nervous system is plastic and can accommodate lifting ability increases WITHOUT gaining muscle.
Expert of fitness with a gut, lol.




Changing the way an exercise is performed to allow for more weight/reps is not progression. Altering an exercise to allow for 30% more to be used and claiming to have gained is silly.

We have been over this.

It seems some never mastered the basics.

"Experts".....Lol.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?



That's because you stick your butt out Brian! As Mr Strong explained, you are simply breaking form to lift 30% more weight.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Tomislav wrote:
Landau wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
David,
given your knowledge of training I'm surprised you don't know more about nutrition; you should try drinking raw cream and milk instead of scoffing.

You're a student of history, study Blair/Johnson and see.


I eat Swanson Fried Chicken Dinners - End of Story and I'll "Scoff" when I want to. I used to talk to the Late Vic Boff any relation to Scoff?

Pretty cool David, I imagine he would have been an advocate of raw milk and cream.

Did he talk you into swimming in the ocean in the wintertime?


That was his Claim to Fame - The Polar Bear Club. We mostly spoke of Muscle and Bodybuilding Memorabilia - I used to see him at his Annual Dinner (AOBS), which I will be again attending this Saturday.
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highheavy

Tennessee, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
No one actually answered, I'll try again.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.


I don't know of anyone in history that has moved over 1100 pounds for 10 repetitions in any exercise.

I do know that I went up in weight on the pull down by more than 50 pounds in less than a year - only to continue losing muscle and looking worse and worse.

It was the acquisition of a particular skill - learning how to perform an exercise at a given speed.



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Tika

Florida, USA

gmlongo wrote:
I just find it odd that at the very mention of Josh, Turpin can't help but run and take his pants off for pictures. This thread is about the guys who are actually competing...Give credit where it is due.


It's man love
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HeavyHitter32

coomo wrote:

i concour Doubling of weight used on Duo Squat over 6 months with no noticable size increase.



This is why I recommended something different than what you have been doing in another post. It happens to everyone on a certain movement who restrict to a single set to failure (or any method continuously). You might make initial size gain, but then the body adapts...no more size going forward with it...just strength increases.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

highheavy wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
No one actually answered, I'll try again.

Could you go from 10kg for 10 reps to 500kg for 10 reps in an exercise and not build any muscle? No changing the exercise to make it easier. Simple question, simple answer.

I don't know of anyone in history that has moved over 1100 pounds for 10 repetitions in any exercise.

I do know that I went up in weight on the pull down by more than 50 pounds in less than a year - only to continue losing muscle and looking worse and worse.

It was the acquisition of a particular skill - learning how to perform an exercise at a given speed.





Yup

Regards,
Andrew
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Tika

Florida, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?

You want David to investigate Blair, etc., why not read up on adaptive coordination and skill proficiency... how the nervous system is plastic and can accommodate lifting ability increases WITHOUT gaining muscle.
Expert of fitness with a gut, lol.



Brian,

To get this thread back on track and interesting. Do you think you can get your student, Andrew to post prep pics.

Tika
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Tomislav wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?



That's because you stick your butt out Brian! As Mr Strong explained, you are simply breaking form to lift 30% more weight.


You ignoramus! Stop making stuff up. Who said it was the squat? In fact, I made great progress on the squat, and I squat all the way down, not like those pansy ass squats you do, like an old man too stiff to bend more than 10-degrees at the knees. Go eat something.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Tika wrote:
Brian,

To get this thread back on track and interesting. Do you think you can get your student, Andrew to post prep pics.

Tika


What are you talking about? Another person who knows nothing about nothing. Andrew is not my student... he's his own person... a person who contributed greatly to a few books I wrote in the past. He's my equal and a colleague. Ask him for Christ's sake, I'm not his keeper. I can't believe the shit hole idiots on this board, male and female.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?



That's because you stick your butt out Brian! As Mr Strong explained, you are simply breaking form to lift 30% more weight.


You ignoramus! Stop making stuff up. Who said it was the squat? In fact, I made great progress on the squat, and I squat all the way down, not like those pansy ass squats you do, like an old man too stiff to bend more than 10-degrees at the knees. Go eat something.



LOL! First Josh never bulked up, then a 60 lb gain was normal for a natural athlete and now you have no affiliation with Andrew! Talk about making stuff up.

Andrew cowrote a book with you, he is your protege and he needs to drink Milk - you could bulk him up to middleweight with a gallon a day and raw eggs (even if you think that's for weightloss). Ditch the powders and give it a try yourself and you'll stop feeling so bloated from the bulkbuilding.

Can you match Josh's pics or what?


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HDLou

Turpin wrote:
tifhw wrote:

Let me get this straight Josh has terrible bodybuilding genetics and yours are great? He has reached the highest level of bodybuilding and you have not. What does this say?

I'd like to see you next to him with the 8 inch height difference.


Your `Mr Universe` competitor ( Joshy ... LOL )

T.


I have no idea why someone would get that extent of tattooing if you plan to compete in bodybuilding. It blurs muscle definition worse that body hair would. You more than likely get marked down in oints/placings for it.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Even when things are spelled out, you can't grasp it, Tom. Josh never bulked up to the point that you recommend (25-30 pounds OVER AND ABOVE NORMAL OFF-SEASON CONDITIONG WHILE HOLDING IT FOR THREE YEARS). Andrew is not my STUDENT, STUPID. If he co-wrote a book, genius, then he is a colleague... he understands the concepts being explored enough to co-write. Duh!

Where is that six-pack photo... where is the video demonstrating a 150-pound super slow set of one-arm rows? Where are your photos show the before and after results of your fat-building so that we can compare you to Josh? Where is your proof of ANYTHING you have suggested on this site? When will you NOT look BLOATED in your photos? When will you stop consuming fish oil and start taking the much higher quality krill oil, expert?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I would like PROOF that Josh increased his off-season bodyweight by 25-30 pounds MORE than what is typical (or what was typical for him in the past) and sustained that extra fat for 2-3 years, and that the extra fat (if it did occur) resulted in added muscle tissue.

Since Tomislov 'talks' to Josh, as he claims, perhaps he can produce this PROOF. I'm not interested in speculation, since anyone can say anything about someone else, but actual PROOF of ALL of the above... greater than normal off-season fat weight... held for 2-3 years... with a resulting greater increase in muscle due to the extra fat increase, and not some other factor. I await in anticipation.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
Changing the way an exercise is performed to allow for more weight/reps is not progression. Altering an exercise to allow for 30% more to be used and claiming to have gained is silly.


And doing the EXACT same exercise, the EXACT same way, and making a 30% increase over 7 months and expecting there to be a noticeable change in your physique is the textbook definition of insanity.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

simon-hecubus wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
Changing the way an exercise is performed to allow for more weight/reps is not progression. Altering an exercise to allow for 30% more to be used and claiming to have gained is silly.

And doing the EXACT same exercise, the EXACT same way, and making a 30% increase over 7 months and expecting there to be a noticeable change in your physique is the textbook definition of insanity.


Mr. Strong doesn't seem to realize that changing the way in which an exercise is performed can make it harder, thus requiring LESS weight and FEWER repetitions. That is the difference between using the weight as a tool to train the muscles and lifting a weight as a means to an end.

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