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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Tika wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Your recommendations for nutrition are exaggerations, slob. I've experienced more than a 30% gain in an exercise without any mass. What now, expert?

You want David to investigate Blair, etc., why not read up on adaptive coordination and skill proficiency... how the nervous system is plastic and can accommodate lifting ability increases WITHOUT gaining muscle.
Expert of fitness with a gut, lol.


Brian,

To get this thread back on track and interesting. Do you think you can get your student, Andrew to post prep pics.

Tika


Ha, i'm not much for 'selfies' but I'll try to throw a couple up...only after a carb up though lol.

Regards,
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
I would like PROOF that Josh increased his off-season bodyweight by 25-30 pounds MORE than what is typical (or what was typical for him in the past) and sustained that extra fat for 2-3 years, and that the extra fat (if it did occur) resulted in added muscle tissue.

Since Tomislov 'talks' to Josh, as he claims, perhaps he can produce this PROOF. I'm not interested in speculation, since anyone can say anything about someone else, but actual PROOF of ALL of the above... greater than normal off-season fat weight... held for 2-3 years... with a resulting greater increase in muscle due to the extra fat increase, and not some other factor. I await in anticipation.


Brian,
it wasn't a year it was five years; Bulkbuilding takes a great deal of time when pushing the envelope.

Bulkbuilding is old-school and can't be rushed; you need to learn to Bulkbuild properly instead of trying to do it "quick" under your suit:

Much better and more effective to Bulkbuild more slowly (as in measured in years) with real food like milk and eggs instead of processed powders; Bulkbuilding can make you feel powerful and full of energy too if you do it right.

I think you see the difference well enough because you only pose down with the before pics!
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

OK, it's 5 years now (maybe next month it will be 7 years). Whatever... what is your proof that doing this builds more muscle over and beyond simply staying in reasonable shape (not cut, but not fat)? I have NEVER seen any before and after photos to suggest as much...

I have NEVER known anyone to stay over fat for 5 years or more to come along and suddenly look that much more muscular than if good nutrition and proper training where incorporated. I'm waiting for your before and after photos since you MUST have experienced such great gains from being fat at some point in your career to even suggest this.

Otherwise, are you guessing? And don't bring up the name of Grimek... that was how many decades ago, one person, who is now dead... a guy with great genetic potential to build muscle and who dabble in drugs at the same time that you claim it was 'bulk-building.'

Regardless, your recommendation do NOT reflect what Josh went through... you are unable to prove it in any way, shape or form, and so shut up about it.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Generation Bulkbuilding. coming to a theater near you!
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I found the movie poster...

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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
I have NEVER known anyone to stay over fat for 5 years or more to come along and suddenly look that much more muscular than if good nutrition and proper training where incorporated.

This athlete leveraged good nutrition to the extreme and did indeed get fat for years, and I mean fat to normal people, not just fitness-perspective fat.

Do you think he could have put that kind of muscle on with powders? He used quality foods like milk and eggs. That is better nutrition, don't you get that?

I'm waiting for your before and after photos since you MUST have experienced such great gains from being fat at some point in your career to even suggest this.

I posted the Tripod pic; you've posted nothing. You PROVE you really have a Tripod and I'll post a pic of the six-pack on coomo's thread.


Otherwise, are you guessing? And don't bring up the name of Grimek... that was how many decades ago, one person, who is now dead... a guy with great genetic potential to build muscle and who dabble in drugs at the same time that you claim it was 'bulk-building.'

Regardless, your recommendation do NOT reflect what Josh went through... you are unable to prove it in any way, shape or form, and so shut up about it.


Really? Josh emailed me to let me know I was spot on; he was wondering why you keep making stuff up downplaying his five year Bulkbuilding phase with the raw food and his 60 lb gain over his previous contest weight. Indeed that reflects another 20 lbs of lean mass just like I called it from the pic.

Bulkbuilding works but it takes tremendous dedication and fortitude; it's not instant or overnight and Crash-Weight-Gain style bulking will tend to make you feel bloated.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

You want a picture of my tripod? Just post your six-pack photo, although I really don't care. It will be blurry, shadowed, etc.

You are stuck on people taking powders, which I don't understand. I rarely consume protein powders, and when I do, it might be a scoop here and there, not as a dietary food product.

And until there is a before and after photo of Josh in competition shape, showing a 20-pound gain (which is obvious or should be, since we're talking 20 pounds of lean on a ripped physique), I'll reserve my opinion. Arnold emailed me the other day... really! It's true because I say so.

And bulk-building takes so long to realize its true potential that you have YET to experience it, since you can't come up with any DIRECT PROOF except what you see in photos and claims of others (likely on roids). Keep showing the same photos of the same bodybuilders.

Keep assuming that simply getting in good nutrition and training properly is not the real factors and that nutrition OVER AND BEYOND what is necessary just makes a person look like... you.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

By the way, expert, you may want to investigate as to why cow's milk is not appropriate for human digestion... and why the countries that consume the most milk also have the highest rate of osteoporosis. As if milk consumption is a requirement to build muscle, lol. And if cow's milk never existed, no one would be able to build muscle or experience muscle building optimization.

Hey, it's not your hard work and overall nutrition plan that developed that muscle, it's the milk! There's a new ad campaign for the dairy farmers. Have you looked into krill oil yet, or still consuming that old cod liver oil?
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Landau

Florida, USA

Tomislav wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
I have NEVER known anyone to stay over fat for 5 years or more to come along and suddenly look that much more muscular than if good nutrition and proper training where incorporated.

This athlete leveraged good nutrition to the extreme and did indeed get fat for years, and I mean fat to normal people, not just fitness-perspective fat.

Do you think he could have put that kind of muscle on with powders? He used quality foods like milk and eggs. That is better nutrition, don't you get that?

I'm waiting for your before and after photos since you MUST have experienced such great gains from being fat at some point in your career to even suggest this.

I posted the Tripod pic; you've posted nothing. You PROVE you really have a Tripod and I'll post a pic of the six-pack on coomo's thread.


Otherwise, are you guessing? And don't bring up the name of Grimek... that was how many decades ago, one person, who is now dead... a guy with great genetic potential to build muscle and who dabble in drugs at the same time that you claim it was 'bulk-building.'

Regardless, your recommendation do NOT reflect what Josh went through... you are unable to prove it in any way, shape or form, and so shut up about it.

Really? Josh emailed me to let me know I was spot on; he was wondering why you keep making stuff up downplaying his five year Bulkbuilding phase with the raw food and his 60 lb gain over his previous contest weight. Indeed that reflects another 20 lbs of lean mass just like I called it from the pic.

Bulkbuilding works but it takes tremendous dedication and fortitude; it's not instant or overnight and Crash-Weight-Gain style bulking will tend to make you feel bloated.



I tried it - It's Called Sh*t Loading
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
You want a picture of my tripod? Just post your six-pack photo, although I really don't care. It will be blurry, shadowed, etc.

You are stuck on people taking powders, which I don't understand. I rarely consume protein powders, and when I do, it might be a scoop here and there, not as a dietary food product.

And until there is a before and after photo of Josh in competition shape, showing a 20-pound gain (which is obvious or should be, since we're talking 20 pounds of lean on a ripped physique), I'll reserve my opinion. Arnold emailed me the other day... really! It's true because I say so.

And bulk-building takes so long to realize its true potential that you have YET to experience it, since you can't come up with any DIRECT PROOF except what you see in photos and claims of others (likely on roids). Keep showing the same photos of the same bodybuilders.

Keep assuming that simply getting in good nutrition and training properly is not the real factors and that nutrition OVER AND BEYOND what is necessary just makes a person look like... you.


I think you can see the results and are just having sport but if you really need more "PROOF" Josh offered these links for Super Human Radio interviews he did on Bulkbuilding with the Raw Food:

superhumanradio.com/420-raw-food-as-effective-as-anabolic-steroids-in-building-muscle.html

superhumanradio.com/archive/85--440-raw-food-follow-up.html

I think many athletes could benefit from the information exchange if Josh could post on the forum again to talk about Bulkbuilding and Raw Food directly.

A natural athlete making these kind of gains at the advanced level is interesting to discuss!
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What gains? I've yet to SEE proof that he is better than he was. I'm not saying he is not better, but based on past photos, I don't see it. There needs to be a side-by-side comparison of his competition shots.

If you think there's a 20-pound gain of muscle on his frame, then I don't know what to tell you. Regardless, his training is irrelevant to yours, and you have yet to provide any proof for YOUR fattening up, Mr. Frank Cannon.
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HeavyHitter32

Landau wrote:

I tried it - It's Called Sh*t Loading


Exactly. You think some people would have learned this way back in their teens and 20s.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

This athlete leveraged good nutrition to the extreme and did indeed get fat for years, and I mean fat to normal people, not just fitness-perspective fat.

Do you think he could have put that kind of muscle on with powders? He used quality foods like milk and eggs. That is better nutrition, don't you get that?

==Scott==
Ok, I do have to say that Bruce Randell did go from porky pig to a good looking physique after losing all the blubber he accumulated over 5 years but if he worked out hard for those 5 years his muscles would hopefully have gotten bigger anyway. I have seen no evidence that having all that extra weight allowed him to gain any more muscle than if he starved him self all that time.
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Mr. Strong

entsminger wrote:
This athlete leveraged good nutrition to the extreme and did indeed get fat for years, and I mean fat to normal people, not just fitness-perspective fat.

Do you think he could have put that kind of muscle on with powders? He used quality foods like milk and eggs. That is better nutrition, don't you get that?

==Scott==
Ok, I do have to say that Bruce Randell did go from porky pig to a good looking physique after losing all the blubber he accumulated over 5 years but if he worked out hard for those 5 years his muscles would hopefully have gotten bigger anyway. I have seen no evidence that having all that extra weight allowed him to gain any more muscle than if he starved him self all that time.




What? So what he did clearly wasn't as effective as what he didn't do, why? Because you said so?

Maybe what he did worked for what he intended it to?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

OK... according to interview one Josh clearly states that he increased his body weight because of raw food eating AND YET HE CAN STILL SEE HIS ABDOMINALS. Does this sound like adding 25-30 pounds of fat to the body beyond typical off-season values? He doesn't even count his calories... he guessed at the amount, but the FACT is this: because of raw food eating, he claims to be weighing more and have gained muscle. That's fine... but throughout the process he always could SEE HIS ABS, which tells me that he did not ADD FAT TO HIS BODY over and above what any of us would experience. Only you, Tom, are looking for that 'gut' look... of extra 'flab.'

And so, stop exaggerating that Josh did 'bulk building' to the point that YOU recommend; Josh did not get fat in the off-season, and it matters not that he ate raw or a lot of food (whether raw milk or whatever); he did not consume more than what his body could handle to stay in reasonable condition with ABS SHOWING. Can you not grasp that simple fact... it was on the friggin' program you quoted!!!??? Of course you cannot grasp this... and so, please keep yammering and expose your true intelligence.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Josh from 2007 or so..
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Josh from 2007 #2
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

You use Randall as an example, and check out his gut... his flab. Josh could see his abs on his raw food eating... could see his abs in the off-season, which suggests he did not eat so much as to gain an excess of 25-30 pounds of fat OVER AND ABOVE what a person would consider a normal off-season condition (not ripped, but not Tomislov). I can see why you like these guys... it gives you an excuse to be fat because you love to eat... you're a food addict... and the extra fat size makes you feel confident. Now, let's see how big you are with that six pack showing.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

I do raw milk, eggs,ground beef, and liver...but raw chicken? sorry, I have to draw the line somewhere. There is cooking and there is cooking. Again, context is very important. There is a big difference between frying the crap out of chicken breast until you get a nice crunchy brown covering, and baking it the oven under reasonable temp for limited amount of time.

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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
OK... AND YET HE CAN STILL SEE HIS ABDOMINALS. ...FACT ... SEE HIS ABS ...ADD FAT TO HIS BODY ... YOU... ABS SHOWING. ...!!!???



Brian,
neither Josh nor I got fat from Bulkbuilding except in terms of what you perceive as fat; 17% BF is only fat from a fitness-culture perspective.

I don't know what % BF Josh got up to but it's clear he was Bulkbuilding from the numbers - 60 lb gain for 20 lbs of muscle. hmmm... Why didn't he just lean gain another 20 lbs of muscle on with smart nutrition/powders?

I have a six-pack and defined serratus because my gymnastics require a high strength to weight ratio which precludes bulkbuilding to the point Randall did but you should give it a try, there's no telling what you could achieve :)
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Ya, maybe I could achieve bullshit by the bucketful, because you sure do. I suggest you investigate the study of logic and the differences between a necessary cause, a sufficient cause and a unique cause. Then again, I suspect it won't matter because you have a unique way of thinking. And if you were carrying 30 pounds of excess fat, you wouldn't have defined serratus and a six pack, expert.
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Hitit

Tika wrote:
I stole this off of Joshy's facebook page, he is 7 weeks out from the Professional Mr.Universe.

Tika


"Joshy"? What is he 5?
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

Please God if there is one end the thread.

WTF already. So much bullshit its unreal.

Bulk building do you think we are stupid?

Maybe to a certain point. If you get fat you still need the right genetics to build muscle to the point in some of the pictures in this thread in the first place.

If you dont well your going to be fat. What if your a normal or average and not gifted individual?

Yes you call still build muscle but not like most booby builders. Why put your heath at risk?

I learned my lesson by eating to much through the advice of a Pro selling a system to get big,fast.

I would rather take steroids than bulk build to over 40 pounds in body weight(not muscle)

What I find even more fascinating is this is a forum about HIT.

I have never saw or read or was told that Dr.Darden,and Arthur Jones ever recommended bulk building.

Just the opposite in fact.

Now if Tomi or anyone else thinks they have something new to add to HIT by bulk building maybe you should write a book like Dr.Darden. Show before and after shots,detail the diets used,routines. Maybe even a bulletin ala Jones.

But the only thing that will happen is I will receive personal attacks and insults.

Here is part of an article Dr.Darden wrote and the part im posting is words Jones used. The article is about unlearning and HIT

Then, Arthur said, "Years ago, a reporter asked me . . . Mr. Jones, how old are you? I replied . . . Old enough to know that you can?t change the thinking of fools ? but young and foolish enough to keep on trying.

"More recently, my life has been a series of outrages ? outrages brought on by foolish people. I have no use for fools. Yet, I?m constantly subjected to their presence ? in every city, in every country. There is no place on the planet left untouched by foolish people.

"I?m exhausted . . . I?m tired of it all.

Here if anyone want to read the whole thing its called


Arthur Jones: Some Unlearning Thoughts about HIT its on this website.

http://drdarden.com/...ic.do?id=383325

Since this forum is supposed to be about HIT maybe some may want to unlearn some things.

Some things may have changed but ask yourself "why am I here?"

Is it to contribute and be helpful?

Is it to come here a start crap and troll other people to upset them?

Are you anti HIT?

If the answer is yes to one or both of the last two questions you are in the wrong place.

Then by doing this over and over some of the guys for example Dr.Ken stopped coming here because of the bullshit. That is a shame.

But what will happen is all my thoughts ive said here to support HIT and its ways will be a waste of time and I should know better.

I predict if anyone dont agree(not that anyone needs too)I will be treated like shit and questioned.

The best I could hope for is a reasonable debate. But I was not always the best with debates.

As Ron White said in a joke about being on the debating team and being kick off because of his reply.

His response to the questions was "oh yea fuck you"

Rather nasty on my part I must admit.But im just doing what most everyone else does around here.





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jitterbug

dipsrule wrote:
Please God if there is one end the thread.

WTF already. So much bullshit its unreal.

Bulk building do you think we are stupid?

Maybe to a certain point. If you get fat you still need the right genetics to build muscle to the point in some of the pictures in this thread in the first place.

If you dont well your going to be fat. What if your a normal or average and not gifted individual?

Yes you call still build muscle but not like most booby builders. Why put your heath at risk?

I learned my lesson by eating to much through the advice of a Pro selling a system to get big,fast.

I would rather take steroids than bulk build to over 40 pounds in body weight(not muscle)

What I find even more fascinating is this is a forum about HIT.

I have never saw or read or was told that Dr.Darden,and Arthur Jones ever recommended bulk building.

Just the opposite in fact.

Now if Tomi or anyone else thinks they have something new to add to HIT by bulk building maybe you should write a book like Dr.Darden. Show before and after shots,detail the diets used,routines. Maybe even a bulletin ala Jones.

But the only thing that will happen is I will receive personal attacks and insults.

Here is part of an article Dr.Darden wrote and the part im posting is words Jones used. The article is about unlearning and HIT

Then, Arthur said, "Years ago, a reporter asked me . . . Mr. Jones, how old are you? I replied . . . Old enough to know that you can?t change the thinking of fools ? but young and foolish enough to keep on trying.

"More recently, my life has been a series of outrages ? outrages brought on by foolish people. I have no use for fools. Yet, I?m constantly subjected to their presence ? in every city, in every country. There is no place on the planet left untouched by foolish people.

"I?m exhausted . . . I?m tired of it all.

Here if anyone want to read the whole thing its called


Arthur Jones: Some Unlearning Thoughts about HIT its on this website.

http://drdarden.com/...ic.do?id=383325

Since this forum is supposed to be about HIT maybe some may want to unlearn some things.

Some things may have changed but ask yourself "why am I here?"

Is it to contribute and be helpful?

Is it to come here a start crap and troll other people to upset them?

Are you anti HIT?

If the answer is yes to one or both of the last two questions you are in the wrong place.

Then by doing this over and over some of the guys for example Dr.Ken stopped coming here because of the bullshit. That is a shame.

But what will happen is all my thoughts ive said here to support HIT and its ways will be a waste of time and I should know better.

I predict if anyone dont agree(not that anyone needs too)I will be treated like shit and questioned.

The best I could hope for is a reasonable debate. But I was not always the best with debates.

As Ron White said in a joke about being on the debating team and being kick off because of his reply.

His response to the questions was "oh yea fuck you"

Rather nasty on my part I must admit.But im just doing what most everyone else does around here.








Mr.Dipsrule,

Why call for the close of a popular thread with good debate?

Straight from Mr.Arthur Jones from one of his articles.

"Training under my supervision, training very hard but very
briefly, he gained more than seventy pounds of muscle in about five months; apart from the exercise, the only thing else
that he did was to start drinking a gallon of buttermilk a day in addition to his usual day" Arthur Jones

How well do you know your H.I.T ?

Mr.Johnson what do you say to this?

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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

jitterbug wrote:
dipsrule wrote:
Please God if there is one end the thread.

WTF already. So much bullshit its unreal.

Bulk building do you think we are stupid?

Maybe to a certain point. If you get fat you still need the right genetics to build muscle to the point in some of the pictures in this thread in the first place.

If you dont well your going to be fat. What if your a normal or average and not gifted individual?

Yes you call still build muscle but not like most booby builders. Why put your heath at risk?

I learned my lesson by eating to much through the advice of a Pro selling a system to get big,fast.

I would rather take steroids than bulk build to over 40 pounds in body weight(not muscle)

What I find even more fascinating is this is a forum about HIT.

I have never saw or read or was told that Dr.Darden,and Arthur Jones ever recommended bulk building.

Just the opposite in fact.

Now if Tomi or anyone else thinks they have something new to add to HIT by bulk building maybe you should write a book like Dr.Darden. Show before and after shots,detail the diets used,routines. Maybe even a bulletin ala Jones.

But the only thing that will happen is I will receive personal attacks and insults.

Here is part of an article Dr.Darden wrote and the part im posting is words Jones used. The article is about unlearning and HIT

Then, Arthur said, "Years ago, a reporter asked me . . . Mr. Jones, how old are you? I replied . . . Old enough to know that you can?t change the thinking of fools ? but young and foolish enough to keep on trying.

"More recently, my life has been a series of outrages ? outrages brought on by foolish people. I have no use for fools. Yet, I?m constantly subjected to their presence ? in every city, in every country. There is no place on the planet left untouched by foolish people.

"I?m exhausted . . . I?m tired of it all.

Here if anyone want to read the whole thing its called


Arthur Jones: Some Unlearning Thoughts about HIT its on this website.

http://drdarden.com/...ic.do?id=383325

Since this forum is supposed to be about HIT maybe some may want to unlearn some things.

Some things may have changed but ask yourself "why am I here?"

Is it to contribute and be helpful?

Is it to come here a start crap and troll other people to upset them?

Are you anti HIT?

If the answer is yes to one or both of the last two questions you are in the wrong place.

Then by doing this over and over some of the guys for example Dr.Ken stopped coming here because of the bullshit. That is a shame.

But what will happen is all my thoughts ive said here to support HIT and its ways will be a waste of time and I should know better.

I predict if anyone dont agree(not that anyone needs too)I will be treated like shit and questioned.

The best I could hope for is a reasonable debate. But I was not always the best with debates.

As Ron White said in a joke about being on the debating team and being kick off because of his reply.

His response to the questions was "oh yea fuck you"

Rather nasty on my part I must admit.But im just doing what most everyone else does around here.








Mr.Dipsrule,

Why call for the close of a popular thread with good debate?

Straight from Mr.Arthur Jones from one of his articles.

"Training under my supervision, training very hard but very
briefly, he gained more than seventy pounds of muscle in about five months; apart from the exercise, the only thing else
that he did was to start drinking a gallon of buttermilk a day in addition to his usual day" Arthur Jones

How well do you know your H.I.T ?

Mr.Johnson what do you say to this?

Ed


He never said he was bulk building. Just he was drinking a gallon of buttermilk.

Eating enough to calories to gain muscle. If alot of those calories came from buttermilk them so be it.

Maybe if Jones made him eat raw meat he would have got better results.But you get where im going with this.

He never said he got fat first and dieted down. Show me where it says that.

If you want to be a dick(insult? yes because your attitude insults me) and cherry pick to make it look like its something its not go a head. I can go tit for that with you if you like.

What about Viator? Im talking before the Colorado experiment.

If you knew your HIT you would know how Viator trained and how he gained for the AAU Mister America. You would know how Jones trained.

Its well documented. No bulkbuilding,just muscle building.

Yes I do know my HIT. Now I will drop some names,I should know better but I will anyway.But Im sick of the attitude you take when you think you are correct.

Ive read just about everything Jones and Darden has ever written. Ive meet and corresponded with Dr.Ken. Ive talked with Greg Anderson since the 90s.You could add Both Mentzers to a lesser extent in there too. With what ive learned from all the about ive been able to train for over 20 years using HIT.

Go ahead and ask Brian. He wrote the whole Arthur Jones collection.If you dont have it you might want to buy it before you tell me about HIT.

But your RenEx now so none of what I just wrote should matter.You give Josh the final word over everyone else. RenEx is not HIT correct?

But if you want to take it another step and and tell me about HIT and get personal.Because that how I took it when you questioned me.

When you first came around here you kept asking about negative exercise. If you like I can go find your posts about the subject but It would be a waste of time.

Why? Because you will only try to divert the facts away from yourself and cherry pick something I wrote to question. Unless you contact a mod and ask him to delete them then they will still be there.

Feel free to dig up any dirt you can find about me on here.

If you knew your HIT you would have known the answers to those questions about negative exercise.Do you know your HIT.

Some people here think your Hutchins. But I dont think so by the tone of some of your posts about negative exercise.

Most of the time I try not to get involved in things that turn into stupid shit,but this time I am.

If this seams personal it is for me. I could be way off base and took your comments the wrong way.

But you come off as being one of the guys Jones talked in the article I linked in the post you how to quote me in.

Maybe you should keep you superior knowledge about training to RenEx.

Better yet dont even bother to respond to me until you know what your talking about as far as HIT.

But you will with your Mr.Dipsrule or your Mr.Johnson,leaving out the T just to try to irritate Brian.

So maybe before you take my inventory,you might want to take your own,but I thought I would do it for you this time.

If your point was to make a valid point that would be one thing. But I did not take it that way.

If your point was to upset me,well good job it worked.

Speaking for myself,since RenEx is not HIT maybe you should stick with RenEx and learn and discuss its merits with your fellow RenEx practitioners. I dont think your going to recuit many here.

Im not bashing RenEx at all. In fact I can see some good points about it.

But if you dont like my thoughts refer to my Ron White remark.
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