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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What is lean-gaining (I never used the term)... gaining muscle while remaining lean? What is 'lean'? What is its measure?

And is this different from gaining a lot of fat while gaining lean? e.g., Bulk building?

Is there proof that gaining a lot of fat will increase muscle increases more than remaining within a leaner state (whatever 'leaner' means) while sustaining quality nutrition and training?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Mr. Strong wrote:
If you are not eating enough to sustain the inch of fat then you become leaner but will then need to consume more to get that inch of fat to sustain further growth, and so on. Bulkbuilding is pretty much taking out the stage where you aren't eating enough to sustain muscle growth, with leangaining you will have periods like you mentioned above where you are getting leaner but not actually any bigger.


Yes. And? Who said the person should not then increase calories somewhat to increase that 'pinch an inch' status, rather than getting fat like a glutinous pig? Not sure if we are in agreement since I never stated otherwise.

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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

Mr. Strong wrote:
dipsrule wrote:
You need to learn how to "comprehend" what you read and how you think.

What was be consumed was to maintain like the quote Ed used. Then the extra.It never says anything about bulking up.

You should go back a reread my last few posts several times and maybe you will understand. Add it all up together.

Your like Ed. You pick a sentence or two and twist it into a way you think its to your advantage.

But what that really does is just show everyone who understands this just how ignorant you really are.

Or that maybe this is the way you think you contribute to this forum.

Do you like to troll?

Why do you come here?

Do your train HIT?

There lets see if you can or will answer those above 3 questions.

A simple yes or no.


"You need to learn how to write a post that doesn't jump all over the place"

Ok does this one work for you? Plain simple to the point

How about answering those 3 questions?

A gallon of milk a day in addition to what was already been consumed is not leangaining. Its bulking.


Never heard of lean gaining. Far from bulking.

What about those questions I ask you?

Care to answer?

Why do you come here,same with Ed,why do you come here?

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Hitit

entsminger wrote:
This athlete leveraged good nutrition to the extreme and did indeed get fat for years, and I mean fat to normal people, not just fitness-perspective fat.

Do you think he could have put that kind of muscle on with powders? He used quality foods like milk and eggs. That is better nutrition, don't you get that?

==Scott==
Ok, I do have to say that Bruce Randell did go from porky pig to a good looking physique after losing all the blubber he accumulated over 5 years but if he worked out hard for those 5 years his muscles would hopefully have gotten bigger anyway. I have seen no evidence that having all that extra weight allowed him to gain any more muscle than if he starved him self all that time.


It's just plain weird to think all this. Look at any of the top bodybuilders over the years. Were ANY FAT first and then sculpted their champion physique later?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Hitit wrote:
It's just plain weird to think all this. Look at any of the top bodybuilders over the years. Were ANY FAT first and then sculpted their champion physique later?


Steve Davis, but he was a fat shit who decided to change his life. Other than that, I can't think of any. Now, I'm not saying that they were not smooth in the off-season... they did not carry extra weight (no one stays 'cut' year round), but there is a difference (which has been ignored thus far) between carrying normal extra body weight in the off-season and attempting to gain fat over and beyond that typical off-season condition and believing the extra fat will turn into muscle! That's simply plain stupidity in this day and age of information.

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HeavyHitter32

AShortt wrote:
When reviewing records and notes from over the years one thing stands out. Anytime I ate huge it actually seemed to slow the muscle building progress. May just be me and the burden of extra digestion but the trend has been obvious. This opposed to when I stay lean where any extra cals appear to aid recovery not slow it.

I think there is a fine line between giving the body what it needs to recover and supercompensate and that of over burdening the digestive system.

Much also depends on your body type, macro ratios you prefer and training style. The more carbs you eat and the less your training bleeds your glycogen stores...and especially related to endo characteristics...the less insulin sensitivity you will have. So higher numbers of muscular contractions per workout tends to allow for a higher carb content to diet.

Regards,
Andrew


I too have seen better gains being leaner as opposed to fatter. In addition to the extra burden of all that food, one will typically maintain a better hormonal balance/profile staying leaner according to research I've seen.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
A warning to all... Tomislov and maybe others may indicate that it's not just a lot of eating, but raw food eating (easier on the digestive system). Funny how Tomislov never talked about raw food eating until now... which I suspect he never did himself much. I could be wrong.

Take a powder Brian this is only new for you; I grew up on a farm :)


However, I'm stating this right now: even with raw food there is a fine line between enough calories and excess calories that require us to strip the fat off at a later time.

Tomislov, remember not long ago you claimed that adding 25-30 pounds of fat would one day become muscle... if not all of it, then most of it. With Josh, he is supposed to lose upward of 60 pounds to get into competition shape. It may not be that much (I have no idea, and neither does he until he zeroes in), but you're claiming his gain of 60 pounds will result in a gain of 20 pounds of lean. Obviously he needed more than 25-30 pounds of fat to turn into 20 pounds or so into muscle... he required 60 pounds.

Even then, let's see if he's actually 20 pounds heavier than his usual 185 pound competition weight, and at the same leanness. Since you chat with him all the time, why not contact him and find out what his current weight is and how much more he thinks he needs to lose before competing.


Sure, he already shared this info while wondering why you keep making stuff up:

Josh bulked up to 240 and previously competed in the high 170's. He will come in 20 lbs heavier because 20 lbs of the 60 lb gain is muscle.


Now onto Josh... I have no disrespect for Josh

LOL!!

, and I hope him all the best. If he comes in 5 pounds heavier, that is pretty darn good (it's hard for an advanced trainee to gain anything). If he gained 20 pounds, then holy frig... great going!


Exactly! You bulk Andrew up fat for a few years (your definition) and he'll come back onstage as a middle weight with 20 lbs more muscle.

This will only work if you also modify his training approach too; here's the secret:

As you get stronger, you must perform less exercise. Less exercise, but with heavier resistance and thus higher intensity, is the secret to making continued progress in your bulkbuilding.

- Ellington, Bulkbuilding Instructional Guide
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Bald face liar, farm boy. Josh competed at 185 pounds, whereas his typical off-season weight before this was 222 pounds. If he loses 60 pounds from 240, that would bring him to 190 pounds. Of course, this is IF the numbers match, whereas his actual competition weight will be on competition day and we'll have to wait. But let's suppose the above is the case, and it is a FACT that he competed at 185 (his competition info is on the Net).

If he did gain 5 pounds, then that is nothing out of the ordinary for someone in his early 40s who has taken time off training, who is eating plenty of raw food, etc. Heck, I gained that myself over the past year without your bulk building, and a person can fluctuate almost that much in water alone over the course of a few days.

But let me guess... I could have gained so much more if I bulk up, right? Coming from a person who has yet to prove his own abilities in that regard... yet to provide any proof of what it has done for you. Big talker from a guy who likely would weigh 170 pounds soaking wet if he came off his 20% high horse. You were a glutton on the farm because your family could afford to stuff your face, and you continue to be one and want others to follow you down that gluttony road. What mental issues you must have.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

By the way, you don't even train HIT, so stop quoting Dr. Darden as though he's on your side. As though you train progressively less and to muscular fatigue.
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Tika

Florida, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Tika wrote:
Brian,

To get this thread back on track and interesting. Do you think you can get your student, Andrew to post prep pics.

Tika

What are you talking about? Another person who knows nothing about nothing. Andrew is not my student... he's his own person... a person who contributed greatly to a few books I wrote in the past. He's my equal and a colleague. Ask him for Christ's sake, I'm not his keeper. I can't believe the shit hole idiots on this board, male and female.


You are mean, you didn't act like this when I met you in person.
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Tika

Florida, USA

Hitit wrote:
Tika wrote:
I stole this off of Joshy's facebook page, he is 7 weeks out from the Professional Mr.Universe.

Tika

"Joshy"? What is he 5?


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Tika

Florida, USA

Joshy 6 weeks out

I'm hoping Andrew will post pics too.
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Landau

Florida, USA

No Weeks Out - Year Round Condition
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duesingbc

Illinois, USA

Tika wrote:
Joshy 6 weeks out

I'm hoping Andrew will post pics too.


Joshy, you look phenominal. Great talking to you today. Differences aside, i think were on the same page as far as training, diet, and you looking way better than i thought you might at this point. Keep doing what youre doing. I hope you dial it in for your sake and nail it just for the sake of shutting them up. My weak "peaking" secrets might come in useful at some point..
Good luck sir. I wish you the best and i appreciate the correspondence.

Blain
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duesingbc

Illinois, USA

Landau,
Did you just post a pic of vin diesel from the chronicals of riddick? I can only hope that i stare at my chin up bar with the same level of intensity.....love ya landau!
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Bald face liar, farm boy. Josh competed at 185 pounds, whereas his typical off-season weight before this was 222 pounds.
If he loses 60 pounds from 240, that would bring him to 190 pounds. Of course, this is IF the numbers match, whereas his actual competition weight will be on competition day and we'll have to wait. But let's suppose the above is the case, and it is a FACT that he competed at 185 (his competition info is on the Net).



Josh said he competed in the high 170's and that his old off season weight was 202. Will you cancel your fanclub membership now?



If he did gain 5 pounds, then that is nothing out of the ordinary for someone in his early 40s who has taken time off training, who is eating plenty of raw food, etc. Heck, I gained that myself over the past year without your bulk building, and a person can fluctuate almost that much in water alone over the course of a few days.

Stop going back and forth - just before you thought it was great Josh had gained 20 lbs of muscle with this technique so you definitely like the effect.

But let me guess... I could have gained so much more if I bulk up, right?

You say you have an issue with 20% BF but from the suit pic it's clear you do short duration bulking at 20% or more so I think you see it as necessary but try to minimise the duration because it makes you feel fat and uncomfortable.

Well it's just more effective if you do it longer - that's when Bulkbuilding works the best and it's precisely why Josh was able to make those kind of gains.


Coming from a person who has yet to prove his own abilities in that regard... yet to provide any proof of what it has done for you. Big talker from a guy who likely would weigh 170 pounds soaking wet if he came off his 20% high horse. You were a glutton on the farm because your family could afford to stuff your face, and you continue to be one and want others to follow you down that gluttony road. What mental issues you must have.


Josh's results are inspiring and motivational!

Stop hiding your own bulkbuilding behind fat insults; it's cool you're (drinking?) the raw liver and eggs, but you need to add the raw cream, it's great at bulking you up and you won't feel bloated because it's full of good bacteria and enzymes.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

For your eyes, since you like to make things up:

http://idfa.ca/...joshua-trentine

The remainder of your comments are nothings short of moronic bullshit. And considering I actually invested in quality body comp technology, and you can see my abs (unlike you, bullshitter), I'm not at 20%. If I'm 20%, you must be 40%. Yes, that's it, from now on you will be 40% body fat. No denying it... you are 40%... it is a fat fact because I say so.
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duesingbc

Illinois, USA

Ive read in previous posts that Josh trains once only 4-5 days, or was it 6? Shit, allow me to triple check my notes. Either way, what is he eating? What is he eating 7 weeks out compared to 8 weeks outs? Perhaps during some down time he might have had the opportunity to visit a pet store and purchase some bird seed as a meal replacement. How many carbs are in bird seed?

Wouldnt want the sodium excess to make him look bloated in the morning. Personally, I believe the excess sodium intake to be false based upon my readings by david landau but since i dont have the written transcript from months prior in front of me, ill continue to make insane accusations and post whatever my ego best fits my argument.....or...kids....you could reach out and contact these individuals (me included) ..ask them for their e mail, phone number, etc instead of going back and forth discussing them...without them being involved. Just seems strange to me. Any rebutal, you know where to find me....
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duesingbc

Illinois, USA

More guys posting pictures of josh, analyzing josh, copy and pasting old bb photos of josh, yet....not just contacting him and asking him the questions you want answered. Shit, i just called the guy lol.....enjoy your conspiracy theory fellas.
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Mr. Strong

dipsrule wrote:
Mr. Strong wrote:
dipsrule wrote:
You need to learn how to "comprehend" what you read and how you think.

What was be consumed was to maintain like the quote Ed used. Then the extra.It never says anything about bulking up.

You should go back a reread my last few posts several times and maybe you will understand. Add it all up together.

Your like Ed. You pick a sentence or two and twist it into a way you think its to your advantage.

But what that really does is just show everyone who understands this just how ignorant you really are.

Or that maybe this is the way you think you contribute to this forum.

Do you like to troll?

Why do you come here?

Do your train HIT?

There lets see if you can or will answer those above 3 questions.

A simple yes or no.


"You need to learn how to write a post that doesn't jump all over the place"

Ok does this one work for you? Plain simple to the point

How about answering those 3 questions?

A gallon of milk a day in addition to what was already been consumed is not leangaining. Its bulking.

Never heard of lean gaining. Far from bulking.

What about those questions I ask you?

Care to answer?

Why do you come here,same with Ed,why do you come here?


You said a gallon of milk in addition to what was already been consumed each day was not bulking, I was just pointing out that it is in fact bulking.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Delusional and Sick Propaganda Folks
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Hitit wrote:
It's just plain weird to think all this. Look at any of the top bodybuilders over the years. Were ANY FAT first and then sculpted their champion physique later?

Steve Davis, but he was a fat shit who decided to change his life. Other than that, I can't think of any. Now, I'm not saying that they were not smooth in the off-season... they did not carry extra weight (no one stays 'cut' year round), but there is a difference (which has been ignored thus far) between carrying normal extra body weight in the off-season and attempting to gain fat over and beyond that typical off-season condition and believing the extra fat will turn into muscle! That's simply plain stupidity in this day and age of information.



==Scott==
I seem to remember Draper being chubby as a youth but once he got going he seemed to stay pretty lean.
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jitterbug

Landau wrote:
Delusional and Sick Propaganda Folks


Mr.Landau,

What specifically do you speak of?

Ed
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jitterbug

Landau wrote:
No Weeks Out - Year Round Condition


Mr.Landau,

This guy claims to be in this condition "year round" , what is your point?

Ed
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Ed, just imagine how good he could look if he gained 30 pounds of fat :-)

That's is phenomenal conditioning to sustain. I wonder how long he's held it and what supplements he takes. Regardless, looks great!

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