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Tomislav

New York, USA

MDieguez wrote:
Is Josh still eating primarily Raw?

I would think with al the hype about how great raw food eating is one would be able to maintain a pretty lean physique year round.
Mike

The goal wasn't to maintain a pretty lean physique year round but to add more muscle at an advanced level by staying bulked up for an extended timeframe; looks like he succeeded.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

He did not stay 'bulked' for 3 years, as per your recommendation, nor did he add 25+ pounds of fat as compared to his previous off-season conditioning (from past years). Where did you get the idea otherwise? As well, until he gets lean, and as lean as he did during his previous competition years, it is impossible to indicate with any certainly just how much (if any) more muscle he gained. Comparison photos are required under similar lighting conditions.
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Mr. Strong

Brian Johnston wrote:
He did not stay 'bulked' for 3 years, as per your recommendation, nor did he add 25+ pounds of fat as compared to his previous off-season conditioning (from past years). Where did you get the idea otherwise? As well, until he gets lean, and as lean as he did during his previous competition years, it is impossible to indicate with any certainly just how much (if any) more muscle he gained. Comparison photos are required under similar lighting conditions.




Will you provide the same when you post pics?

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I certainly have, expert who does not show photos of himself. Where ever I lived, I ALWAYS took photos in the same locations and with the same lighting. Now, show us a photo... just one.
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HeavyHitter32

I found a picture of Mr. Strong.

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cmg

Tika wrote:
I stole this off of Joshy's facebook page, he is 7 weeks out from the Professional Mr.Universe.

Tika


Did he always have all those tattoos? Seems strange you would want all of those if you want to compete..? He looks good though..

Regards,

Ron
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

cmg wrote:
Tika wrote:
I stole this off of Joshy's facebook page, he is 7 weeks out from the Professional Mr.Universe.

Tika

Did he always have all those tattoos? Seems strange you would want all of those if you want to compete..? He looks good though..

Regards,

Ron


===Scott==
I often wonder that myself about bodybuilders with splendid physiques like Joshua with tattoos. My eye always goes first to their tattoos and then to the muscle. I find them very distracting especially when they cover large portions of muscle.I have always figured if you have a nice set of muscles why cover them up with art work, the muscles should speak for them selves. I guess to each his own.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
... it is impossible to indicate with any certainly just how much (if any) more muscle he gained.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Those are your glasses, buddy boy. You make stuff up, like him bulking and gaining more muscle, whereas he did not bulk (and get extra fat), nor keep that bulking for 3 years (like you say is required). You are full of it... admit it. You read into things, whereas I'm trying to be as objective as possible.

I have nothing against Josh and wish him all the best... but we cannot take a photo whereby he's still smooth... in an area that shadows half his body... and compare it to a much leaner state (in competition) and claim he added muscle. Maybe he did... I can't tell... which is why I suggest competition before and after photos so that we're on the same playing level.

Or off-season before and after in the same lighting conditions. Remember, others mocked Andrew for not using the exact lighting conditions, although is conditioning was the SAME in both and it was obvious that he gained some regardless of lighting conditions. The same has to be true for everyone. In your case, you can keep doing the same unfocused camera conditions for your comparisons.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Those are your glasses, buddy boy. You make stuff up, like him bulking and gaining more muscle, whereas he did not bulk (and get extra fat), nor keep that bulking for 3 years (like you say is required). You are full of it... admit it. You read into things, whereas I'm trying to be as objective as possible.

Well how would you categorise a nutritional strategy that includes drinking a gallon of milk every day, raw or otherwise?


I have nothing against Josh and wish him all the best... but we cannot take a photo whereby he's still smooth... in an area that shadows half his body... and compare it to a much leaner state (in competition) and claim he added muscle. Maybe he did... I can't tell... which is why I suggest competition before and after photos so that we're on the same playing level.

You had a thread where you matched many of Josh's previous pics - can you match this one as easily?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What does it matter if I can match that picture... what does that prove? In my opinion... yes. I have some body parts that exceed Josh's, but who cares? That does not support nor quash what you are stating. The facts are facts... a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

What you have stated in the past is loud and clear, and I will repeat it again since you can't seem to grasp your own statements:

1. You clearly stated that a person needs to be 25 pounds over-fat from a typical condition (we're not talking shredded, but typical off-season with some abs showing, but not cut or anything of that nature).

2. You clearly stated that the person needed to maintain that over-fat state for a good three years to see benefit of being over-fat.

And now, the FACTS. Josh never went 25 pounds fatter than his previous off-season condition... if so, prove it. Second, he never went 25 pounds fatter and held that for three years... if so, prove it. You can't prove it since it is not true, and so you have to apply a moronic argument of "can you match his build?" What if I exceed it... what then... what does that prove? How lame.

Keep making up more BS, just like you make up things about my training and eating that have yet to be correct. Why you do that is beyond my comprehension... I don't get what you get out of making things up and then trying to stick by it.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
What does it matter if I can match that picture... what does that prove? In my opinion... yes. I have some body parts that exceed Josh's, but who cares?

The point was that since the athlete made gains you may have more trouble matching his pic now than you did on the thread against his earlier pics.

That does not support nor quash what you are stating. The facts are facts... a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

Really? Well can you give an example of an athlete drinking a gallon of milk a day to lose weight?

I've discussed macro nutrition with Josh at length; he also eats at least two dozen eggs a day, also raw of course.

That's pretty impressive, I can't eat that many raw eggs :)

We're at 5,000 calories/day just from the eggs and milk; still think he was lean gaining?

What you have stated in the past is loud and clear, and I will repeat it again since you can't seem to grasp your own statements:

1. You clearly stated that a person needs to be 25 pounds over-fat from a typical condition (we're not talking shredded, but typical off-season with some abs showing, but not cut or anything of that nature).

2. You clearly stated that the person needed to maintain that over-fat state for a good three years to see benefit of being over-fat.

And now, the FACTS. Josh never went 25 pounds fatter than his previous off-season condition... if so, prove it. Second, he never went 25 pounds fatter and held that for three years... if so, prove it. You can't prove it since it is not true, and so you have to apply a moronic argument of "can you match his build?" What if I exceed it... what then... what does that prove? How lame.

Keep making up more BS, just like you make up things about my training and eating that have yet to be correct. Why you do that is beyond my comprehension... I don't get what you get out of making things up and then trying to stick by it.


It appears from his diet and pics that he bulked up for a few years; I don't see what you get out of making out like he lean gained and touting GOMAD as a potential weight loss strategy.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Brian Johnston wrote:
a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.


...IF THOSE CALORIES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. Where did I suggest that drinking it was a means of weight loss? This is a clear example of how you take exact words and alter what a person actually states.

Regardless, I'm not taking away any of Josh's accomplishments, whereas you are creating them in order to support your stances of getting fat to build muscle. And I've made gains over the past few years without eating a dozen raw eggs a day and a gallon of raw milk.

As I CLEARLY stated before, there's more than one way to skin a cat and your fixation on getting fat to build muscle (yet to see YOUR proof, Mr. Six Pack) gets in the way of every friggin' thread on here.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

...IF THOSE CALORIES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. Where did I suggest that drinking it was a means of weight loss? This is a clear example of how you take exact words and alter what a person actually states.

Regardless, I'm not taking away any of Josh's accomplishments, whereas you are creating them in order to support your stances of getting fat to build muscle. And I've made gains over the past few years without eating a dozen raw eggs a day and a gallon of raw milk.

As I CLEARLY stated before, there's more than one way to skin a cat and your fixation on getting fat to build muscle (yet to see YOUR proof, Mr. Six Pack) gets in the way of every friggin' thread on here.


===Scott==
Maybe this forum needs a section called fixation corner where individuals can rant about the same thing over and over again like getting fat to build muscles and genetics, ha ha..
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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

...IF THOSE CALORIES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT. Where did I suggest that drinking it was a means of weight loss? This is a clear example of how you take exact words and alter what a person actually states.

LOL Brian,
you've asked yourself a rhetorical question.

Everyone knows weight loss only happens in a caloric deficit, but your argument that an athlete could drink a gallon of milk a day and two dozen eggs yet be in a caloric deficit is silly.


Regardless, I'm not taking away any of Josh's accomplishments, whereas you are creating them in order to support your stances of getting fat to build muscle. And I've made gains over the past few years without eating a dozen raw eggs a day and a gallon of raw milk.


Well it looks like all those raw eggs and milk helped Josh take it to the next level adding additional muscle while at an already advanced level; that's what BulkBuilding is all about.

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Tomislav

New York, USA

entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

===Scott==
Maybe this forum needs a section called fixation corner where individuals can rant about the same thing over and over again like getting fat to build muscles and genetics, ha ha..


Scott,
why not share your training ideas too instead of crying?

IMO there's nothing surprising about the anabolic effects large quantities of milk and eggs exert on building muscle.

OTOH everytime I read about an athlete consuming 1800 calories a day and mind melding with light weights as a long term training strategy, I figure Figure.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

24 eggs per day??? that is just beyond stupid. I don't care how nutritious eggs are, eating that many a daily basis cannot be healthy. holy crap. that's:

156 grams of protein
1,560 calories
144 grams of fat
5.7 grams of cholesterol

1 gallon milk:

128 grams of protein
2,400 calories
128 grams of fat
384 milligrams of cholesterol

Total cals: 3,960
protein:284
fat:272
cholesterol:6 grams

What does one eat for the rest of the day??

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Tomislav wrote:
Everyone knows weight loss only happens in a caloric deficit, but your argument that an athlete could drink a gallon of milk a day and two dozen eggs yet be in a caloric deficit is silly.


Where did I mention two dozen eggs WITH the gallon of milk causing a reduction in body weight... quote me and I'll pay you $1000, you exaggerating bullshit artist. As well, when I went through my bulk phase, I drank a lot of milk and consumed a minimum of a dozen eggs a day (along with protein powders, etc.)... it made me fat with no added muscle.

To each his own, as different approaches will affect different people differently, just like eating too much makes you look like crap, although you claim having a six pack... you take all kinds of photos and videos, but have yet to demonstrate that six pack you claim you have. You have yet to show before and after photos that demonstrate how well all that added fat contributes to more muscle mass.

In regard to Josh, he doesn't even have a single upper thigh cut... what does that tell you about his current conditioning and how much (fat) size he will need to lose to get as lean as he did when he competed? Why do you think I said comparison photos at the same leanness are required (or comparison photos at the same smoothness, etc.)... you cannot take a photo of someone 15 pounds or more too fat and say that he gained mass compared to his leaner photos... it is illogical.

This is NOT to say he did not make gains, but here is your other mistake... you are equating any gains to him bulking (albeit for less time than you say is required), whereas it may not be the excess calories, but he quality of the calories along with his change in training program that he has incorporated over the past year or so. And so, shove your 'get fat' up your fat arse because bodybuilders 40 years ago realized it doesn't work.

Also, you should read an article in the latest Macleans magazine (in Canada), about how the fatter you get the slower the brain works. Maybe that's why you lie and exaggerate so much, yet think you are not... suggesting I say things that are untrue. I can only imagine how much you actually spoke to Josh about his nutrition, lol. Best buds, right?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Tomislav wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
a person can drink a gallon of raw milk a day and LOSE weight if those calories are not sufficient.

===Scott==
Maybe this forum needs a section called fixation corner where individuals can rant about the same thing over and over again like getting fat to build muscles and genetics, ha ha..

Scott,
why not share your training ideas too instead of crying?

IMO there's nothing surprising about the anabolic effects large quantities of milk and eggs exert on building muscle.

OTOH everytime I read about an athlete consuming 1800 calories a day and mind melding with light weights as a long term training strategy, I figure Figure.


Scott,
why not share your training ideas too instead of crying?

==Scott==
I think I've made it clear what I believe works for me many times on here through out the years so I don't think it serves any purpose to keep harping or arguing on that over and over again.
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HeavyHitter32

Getting fat can also lower testosterone levels and create other hormonal imbalances not ideal for muscular gains.
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Getting fat can also lower testosterone levels and create other hormonal imbalances not ideal for muscular gains.



I would not worry about it, because all that fat will turn into muscle! It looks like you have not been keeping up with the latest scientific literature.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

farhad wrote:
24 eggs per day??? that is just beyond stupid. I don't care how nutritious eggs are, eating that many a daily basis cannot be healthy. holy crap. that's:

156 grams of protein
1,560 calories
144 grams of fat
5.7 grams of cholesterol

1 gallon milk:

128 grams of protein
2,400 calories
128 grams of fat
384 milligrams of cholesterol

Total cals: 3,960
protein:284
fat:272
cholesterol:6 grams

What does one eat for the rest of the day??



Farhad,
I commend your calculations! They are close but it's actually more than that:

Milk: 2560 calories per standardised gallon, not 2400. However when you buy milk from pasture and alfalfa fed cows the cream content is much higher - I should take a picture to better illustrate this. The standardised process entails homogenisation in applying Pasteur's process. The homogenisation entails blasting the cream content through a nozzle to break up the globules and the end result is you can't see how big the cream content is - back in the day before cream was bad a competitor might leave a sample on your doorstep to show how much bigger their cream content was.

The raw milk I buy today is 3200 calories per gallon, ditto for Josh since he's buying from the Amish. The protein is correspondingly a bit less (15-20%) than you suggested as well (80% of the calories from the milk and eggs are fat).

I don't know what size egg Josh is eating, I just buy them from the store but I buy jumbo which are over 100 calories a piece.

If Josh were only eating 24 standardised small eggs that's pushing 5,000 with the high cream content milk included.

You asked what else - three large meals which in his case consist of raw chicken, raw liver, raw beef, raw butter (looks yellow), etc. He also pointed out that 24 eggs wasn't that much for him and he could eat more.

Athletes have used large quantities of Milk and Eggs to build muscle successfully since Mark Berry trained Grimek, it's old-school; I guess if you're going to call stupid you must be leveraging more effective training technique - can you share a results pic (yourself or a client) that illustrates what's achieved with smart muscle building nutrition?
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farhad

Massachusetts, USA

Tomislav,

Let's not get into a debate about training methods. I'll post a pic when I can.

Josh is not an athlete who trains(in any manner) 1-2 hours a day. I am guessing 1-2 hours a week, right? He is not an ectomorph. He does not need 5,000+ calories to increase his muscle mass.

Taking in that much cholesterol has to have some kind of negative effect on the body's own cholesterol production.

Paleo run a mock....but to each his own.



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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Everyone knows weight loss only happens in a caloric deficit, but your argument that an athlete could drink a gallon of milk a day and two dozen eggs yet be in a caloric deficit is silly.


Where did I mention two dozen eggs WITH the gallon of milk causing a reduction in body weight... quote me and I'll pay you $1000, you exaggerating bullshit artist. As well, when I went through my bulk phase, I drank a lot of milk and consumed a minimum of a dozen eggs a day (along with protein powders, etc.)... it made me fat with no added muscle.

To each his own, as different approaches will affect different people differently, just like eating too much makes you look like crap, although you claim having a six pack... you take all kinds of photos and videos, but have yet to demonstrate that six pack you claim you have. You have yet to show before and after photos that demonstrate how well all that added fat contributes to more muscle mass.

In regard to Josh, he doesn't even have a single upper thigh cut... what does that tell you about his current conditioning and how much (fat) size he will need to lose to get as lean as he did when he competed? Why do you think I said comparison photos at the same leanness are required (or comparison photos at the same smoothness, etc.)... you cannot take a photo of someone 15 pounds or more too fat and say that he gained mass compared to his leaner photos... it is illogical.

This is NOT to say he did not make gains, but here is your other mistake... you are equating any gains to him bulking (albeit for less time than you say is required), whereas it may not be the excess calories, but he quality of the calories along with his change in training program that he has incorporated over the past year or so. And so, shove your 'get fat' up your fat arse because bodybuilders 40 years ago realized it doesn't work.

Also, you should read an article in the latest Macleans magazine (in Canada), about how the fatter you get the slower the brain works. Maybe that's why you lie and exaggerate so much, yet think you are not... suggesting I say things that are untrue. I can only imagine how much you actually spoke to Josh about his nutrition, lol. Best buds, right?


Brian,
can't you talk training without calling names?

Seems a red herring since earlier you were arguing I was trying to suggest Josh bulked up when he hadn't.

I think it was plain for anyone to see that even without talking nutrition with him, which I did at length; IMO he has an impressive knowledge of muscle building nutrition.

Anyone can build a muscular physique but if bulking really doesn't take it to the next level then why did it work so well for John Grimek, Larry Scott and Lee Priest?
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Tomislav

New York, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Getting fat can also lower testosterone levels and create other hormonal imbalances not ideal for muscular gains.



HeavyHitter,
not necessarily; leptin bypasses the HPTA to increase T levels.
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