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DrFist

Hi all, I train in the slow 5 second cadence on every rep and on the positive and negative part of the movement. I train this way to protect my joints. I go to a boxing gym once every 2 weeks, but I'm wanting to buy a boxing bag so I can use it once every 2 days at home.

I'm really concerned with keeping my shoulder joints uninjured and safe. I just wanted to know if using a boxing bag would be bad for my joints or not. I'd like to use the boxing bag for punching as well as kicking.

I don't know if I want to compete in boxing, but I'm considering it. Should I just keep using the local gym to hit the bag or should I get my own, knowing that I'll be using it more often.

Please help me!
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I've trained the world heavyweight amateur, and I know some other boxers... really f'd up joints with aging.... particularly shoulders and elbows.
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Turpin

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Hi all, I train in the slow 5 second cadence on every rep and on the positive and negative part of the movement. I train this way to protect my joints. I go to a boxing gym once every 2 weeks, but I'm wanting to buy a boxing bag so I can use it once every 2 days at home.

I'm really concerned with keeping my shoulder joints uninjured and safe. I just wanted to know if using a boxing bag would be bad for my joints or not. I'd like to use the boxing bag for punching as well as kicking.

I don't know if I want to compete in boxing, but I'm considering it. Should I just keep using the local gym to hit the bag or should I get my own, knowing that I'll be using it more often.

Please help me!


Training in a slow manner will NOT protect your joints. Over use of too much resistance and / or bad form ( bouncing ) WILL.

If you are fearful of punching a bag in case you hurt yourself then trust me you will never compete in boxing , and god help those who may rely on your intervention when the need arises.

Perhaps Im coming across somewhat harsh but Honestly , sometimes folk just need to man the f*ck up !

T.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Right now my 65-year old boxer is manning up with ice on his elbows and shoulders regularly, with bursitis to boot. Whatever you do when young affects you when old... caveat emptor.
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tompuderbaugh

Of course, it could cause you problems -- Hitting a heavy bag is tough on your joints...Shoulder, elbow, etc. No question.

It's the "immediate sudden stop" from high speed (from hitting the bag) that is the culprit here.

I spent years in martial arts hitting various bags. My joints pay the price today.

So if you suffer from joint problems already, then I would advise caution here.

Good training to all!
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
Right now my 65-year old boxer is manning up with ice on his elbows and shoulders regularly, with bursitis to boot. Whatever you do when young affects you when old... caveat emptor.


Brian Im sure your 65yr old boxer would never have traded the excitement he experienced as a fighter for a more sedentary role when he was young.

Of course whatever we do in our youth has effect as we grow old , but to refrain from experiencing all that life can offer for fear of hurt is to lead a sad and unfulfilled existence.
`Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all` ... and all that.

T.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I'm not telling him not to, but be prepared for the outcome as he ages. Life also offers to have unprotected sex with prostitutes, but I guess that a risk others want to take as well. Whatever.

As far as my client, I don't hear him talking about his glory days, but constant complaining of problems and me revamping his training to work around those problems. Do you suppose those big steroid users who are dying young do so with a smile on their faces from having won Contest X 10 years ago?

And I do recall you refraining from regular back squats only a months or so back because the price was not worth it... why not man up on that one? Do you get where I'm coming from?
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

My experience is different, do not know if it would be relevant here, but anyway...

In our Muay Thai training we use mostly thai pads and low kick pads. During the sessions when we focus exclusively on punches we sometimes use focus mitts, that is if elbows are not involved. I do not remember when I used a heavy bag last time. Frankly speaking I do not like using the bag always train with a sparring partner.

I would recommend finding a sparring partner and investing in a pair of good focus mitts. Also, consider buying 180" wraps and depending on how heavy you are I would go for at least 16oz gloves.

Also, 5/5 cadence will not protect your joints.

Albert
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
I'm not telling him not to, but be prepared for the outcome as he ages. Life also offers to have unprotected sex with prostitutes, but I guess that a risk others want to take as well. Whatever.

As far as my client, I don't hear him talking about his glory days, but constant complaining of problems and me revamping his training to work around those problems. Do you suppose those big steroid users who are dying young do so with a smile on their faces from having won Contest X 10 years ago?

And I do recall you refraining from regular back squats only a months or so back because the price was not worth it... why not man up on that one? Do you get where I'm coming from?


Actually Brian , If you read further in the end I did NOT give up the back squat instead ( on reflection ) I concluded I was `wimping out` of the exercise due to previous experience that hadn't manifested since my return to the exercise and so decided to plough on ... squatted today actually and strong too. Foolhardy ? ,, perhaps , but I am doing what I enjoy AND will manage any consequence/set back that may result .... that's a positive approach.

T.


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Tomislav

New York, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
I'm not telling him not to, but be prepared for the outcome as he ages. Life also offers to have unprotected sex with prostitutes, but I guess that a risk others want to take as well. Whatever.

As far as my client, I don't hear him talking about his glory days, but constant complaining of problems and me revamping his training to work around those problems. Do you suppose those big steroid users who are dying young do so with a smile on their faces from having won Contest X 10 years ago?

And I do recall you refraining from regular back squats only a months or so back because the price was not worth it... why not man up on that one? Do you get where I'm coming from?


Yes the correlation is clear; you got sore because Turpin did Football squats and wanted to use a Dildo for a safety stop - now you disagree with something else so it's prostitutes.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Everyone... let's do stiff legged deadlifts with 300 pounds. Or how about plyometrics from 8 feet off the ground. Man up. And Turpin... stop that little bounce or hitch at the bottom of the squat... hang down there for a 5 second pause and man up and see how the low back reacts.

Every person has his or her breaking point, and to suggest to someone to 'man up' by doing something that IS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS NOT GOOD FOR THE JOINTS IN THE LONG RUN is irresponsible and would border on malpractice in the medical profession. As for fat boy, stop addressing me as you are the biggest culprit of bullshit training practices (and exaggerations) on this forum.
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
Everyone... let's do stiff legged deadlifts with 300 pounds. Or how about plyometrics from 8 feet off the ground. Man up. And Turpin... stop that little bounce or hitch at the bottom of the squat... hang down there for a 5 second pause and man up and see how the low back reacts.

Every person has his or her breaking point, and to suggest to someone to 'man up' by doing something that IS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS NOT GOOD FOR THE JOINTS IN THE LONG RUN is irresponsible and would border on malpractice in the medical profession. As for fat boy, stop addressing me as you are the biggest culprit of bullshit training practices (and exaggerations) on this forum.


Brian a competition squat does not necessitate a 5 sec pause in the bottom position , but then you know that.

I find it incredulous that anyone would say hitting a heavy bag is dangerous , even business men use it as a de-stressing tool.

I boxed for a long time in my teens and early 20`s and still enjoy the heavy bag I have at home , and whilst my low back may have issues from a squatting accident my hands , elbows , shoulders etc are just fine.

T.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
I used to punch a heavy bag with bag gloves and even the more puffed up regular boxing gloves and after a while I could feel issues forming with my knuckles and hands. I use my hands as an artist and with just about everything else I do and I wish I had stopped punching way sooner than I did.

Most of us who really use our hands to work ( and I'm not talking on a keyboard) cause enough damage to their hands with just the work they do with out the need for any more from punching a bag in preparation for the rare time in your life that you may actually get into a fight and need to punch someone out.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Where did I say it was 'dangerous'? Don't exaggerate; the issue is one of 'eventually bad things, like osteoarthritis, likely will happen.' And a competition squat still requires a 'green light' pause (something I did not see in your performance), but that's besides the point. I'm being very clear in that there are things YOU would not do because of the potential for injury, and just because you would do other things that have a potential, does not mean it should be recommended to others in order to 'man up.' That's where brawn overtakes intelligence and injury occurs. And that's where I disagree with you... the 'man up' bullshit, as though a person should take any injuries or wear-and-tear that comes along in order to experience something. Go experience jumping in front of a truck, since it is a life experience, after all.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

And Scott... a real street fight does not involve people boxing as per competition... it's more like a back-hand in the throat, a kick in the shin type stuff. Even a good blow to the nose with the heel of your hand does wonders without worrying about one's knuckles.
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Turpin


Ha , ha ... look guys this Dr Fist is implying he may wish to compete in boxing. I know of no boxer who is fearful of hitting a punchbag ( correctly BTW ) in order to perfect his skill.
Each to their own ... some of the posts on here are wholly indicative of the namby-pamby attitudes that are prevalent in todays fitness industry which once previously attracted a more robust character.

T.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

If he has reluctance, does that not tell you something about him mentally, and how that can affect him physically? Not everyone understands or appreciates the nature of repetitive impact forces, but I do, which is why I warned him. We'll see how tuff you are at age 70 and how your back and joints are feeling then.

But I supposed you'll be bragging about and reliving your glory days of squatting and deadlifting... then again, when in pain, not much else matters in life... without quality not many want quantity.
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
And a competition squat still requires a 'green light' pause (something I did not see in your performance),


A competition squat requires no `green light` pause whatsoever Brian. Its simply squat to depth and up.

T.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

That changed, unless UK rules are different from those in Canada. The judge(s) would give an audible signal after a deliberate pause. The competitions I attended even had a lighting system along with the audible signal. I guess they had to relax things in order to get people squatting over 1000 pounds and to get people excited about it.
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
If he has reluctance, does that not tell you something about him mentally, and how that can affect him physically? Not everyone understands or appreciates the nature of repetitive impact forces, but I do, which is why I warned him. We'll see how tuff you are at age 70 and how your back and joints are feeling then.

But I supposed you'll be bragging about and reliving your glory days of squatting and deadlifting... then again, when in pain, not much else matters in life... without quality not many want quantity.



With respect , You really have to chill out Brian , sometimes folk will not agree with you and your take on things ... get over it.


T.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Man up and take it, Turpin.
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Turpin

Brian Johnston wrote:
That changed, unless UK rules are different from those in Canada. The judge(s) would give an audible signal after a deliberate pause. The competitions I attended even had a lighting system along with the audible signal. I guess they had to relax things in order to get people squatting over 1000 pounds and to get people excited about it.


There has never been a federation that required a green light signal on the squat Brian EVER and Ive been lifting since the 80`s!
The bench press DOES necessitate a pause and instruction to `press` ( previously a clap ) but not the squat.

T.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I have no idea who ran the few contests I attended (in North Bay, Ontario). Whatever. What I do remember are those telling you to man-up and enter a competition like Trentine, whereas you claimed to have manned-up in other areas of your life, like family, etc. I thought that was an excellent response and philosophically sound, but I guess you changed since then.
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Turpin

ed Coan 1000+ in single ply no-nonsense , no razzmatazz fashion under IPF rules which have stood for decades.

http://www.youtube.com/...067574A4B523D98

T.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Turpin wrote:

Ha , ha ... look guys this Dr Fist is implying he may wish to compete in boxing. I know of no boxer who is fearful of hitting a punchbag ( correctly BTW ) in order to perfect his skill.
Each to their own ... some of the posts on here are wholly indicative of the namby-pamby attitudes that are prevalent in todays fitness industry which once previously attracted a more robust character.

T.


==Scott==
Namby-pamby,,ha ha.. Hey, go ahead and beat your fists against a wall if it makes you feel tough like an ape but don't think that for a minute it won't have some negative consequences later on. When we're young we have a tendency to feel invulnerable.Some things you just gotta do to feel alive and some of those things may or may not cause permanent damage as we get older.Alot depends on what you want out of life. Do you want to live it up big now like Ronnie VanZant or do you want a long and happy pain free life or somewhere in between? I sort of want the in between. I'm not going to stop doing everything questionable out of fear it might cause problems down the road but if it's obvious that those things might come to haunt me later on I think it's best to avoid those if possible.
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