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"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
Arthur Jones believes, "has all but
destroyed the actual great value
of weight training. Something
must be done . . . and quickly."
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hdlifter

This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.
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dcshores

California, USA

Yea but training to failure under Arthur was something extreme. I would bet the average HIT trainer doesn't even hit Arthur's NTF standard. Except for all of you here of course.
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

hdlifter wrote:
This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.


The latest MedX info that cites Jones a on a few things say Up to eight exercises once a week,at the most twice a week.

I used to have the link. Keiser pretty much piggy-backed on this.

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Nautilus1975

hdlifter wrote:


Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.



Maybe he was just real sore and chronic by then.....



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cmg

dipsrule wrote:
hdlifter wrote:
This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.

The latest MedX info that cites Jones a on a few things say Up to eight exercises once a week,at the most twice a week.

I used to have the link. Keiser pretty much piggy-backed on this.




Yes but was this for muscle building or just general health...?

Thank you,

Ron
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

cmg wrote:
dipsrule wrote:
hdlifter wrote:
This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.

The latest MedX info that cites Jones a on a few things say Up to eight exercises once a week,at the most twice a week.

I used to have the link. Keiser pretty much piggy-backed on this.




Yes but was this for muscle building or just general health...?

Thank you,

Ron


Ron

I will try to find the link. I even think I have it printed but not the whole write up.
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Ellington Darden

hdlifter wrote:
This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.


I never heard heard Arthur say that.

Ellington



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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What Arthur told me during his final 8-10 years, was two workouts a week, whereas one was NTF. Even then, he's basing his opinion on sitting at a table and smoking and not real-world experience... hypothesizing. I tried things in the past that I thought would work well, to work only average or worse than other things I've tried. I didn't know it until I tried it. Even then, that is how I responded, and not how others would respond.
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Tomislav

New York, USA

hdlifter wrote:
This was sent to me, late 90's, after a friend had a lengthy conversation with Arthur over a weekend. It would seem, like Mike, in latter years Arthur came to realise how potent HIT is, and how carefully it needs regulating. Any input Ell?

Arthur Jones told McGuff and Terry Carter, maybe 2 years ago, that if he were to do it all over again (referring to training), he would train once per week and only train to positive failure every other week. He would shy back 1 or 2 reps to failure on the other weekly workout. So, in essence, Jones would train to failure on 2 workouts per month. On the other 2 monthly workouts, he would shy back 1 or 2 reps.


In his prime AJ was a muscular athlete over 200 lbs, and short; no doubt such a protocol would have worked better for him at his advanced level - he was talking about himself. This was not beginner or intermediate speculation on achieving greater progress.

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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

The idea that there would, could or should be a specific amount for all is totally inappropriate.

Regards,
Andrew
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tompuderbaugh

Hi gang. What AJ personally told me (over lunch about 5-6 years before he died) was that "If I had it to do all over again, I would probably recommend most people train on Nautilus equipment twice per week instead of the three times we originally went with. Why? Because most everyone, once they pass the beginner stage, cannot recuperate from three properly executed workouts per week....Hell, if I SUPERVISE, three times a week will probably put most people in the _uckin' morgue!"

Classic Arthur. He was never one to mince words!

Good training to all.
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Nautilusforever

Illinois, USA

tompuderbaugh wrote:
Hi gang. What AJ personally told me (over lunch about 5-6 years before he died) was that "If I had it to do all over again, I would probably recommend most people train on Nautilus equipment twice per week instead of the three times we originally went with. Why? Because most everyone, once they pass the beginner stage, cannot recuperate from three properly executed workouts per week....Hell, if I SUPERVISE, three times a week will probably put most people in the _uckin'
Classic Arthur. He was never one to mince words!

Good training to all.


What I learned from Arthur was the higher the intensity of your training the less your frequency. In my prime I trained 1hr and 40 mins per week! Safe, efficient, effective. What more needs be said?
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Tridentine

For general health and cardiovascular conditioning as a 47 year old man, is using HIT on Nautilus machines, 8 exercises once per week, enough?

Should a middle aged advanced trainer do some cardio only in there somewhere?

Dr. Darden, maybe you could help with this?
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Ellington Darden

Tridentine wrote:
For general health and cardiovascular conditioning as a 47 year old man, is using HIT on Nautilus machines, 8 exercises once per week, enough?

Should a middle aged advanced trainer do some cardio only in there somewhere?

Dr. Darden, maybe you could help with this?


Yes, you may do cardio -- but make sure you don't damage your joints during the repetitive process. The smoother the process the better.

Ellington

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Nautilusforever

Illinois, USA

Ellington Darden wrote:
Tridentine wrote:
For general health and cardiovascular conditioning as a 47 year old man, is using HIT on Nautilus machines, 8 exercises once per week, enough?

Should a middle aged advanced trainer do some cardio only in there somewhere?

Dr. Darden, maybe you could help with this?

Yes, you may do cardio -- but make sure you don't damage your joints during the repetitive process. The smoother the process the better.

Ellington



I'm a big cross trainer advocate. Arms and legs both. Forward for quads, backwards for hamstrings. Pushing for triceps, pulling for biceps. Low impact yet high intensity cardio if you do it right.
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hdlifter

tompuderbaugh wrote:
Hi gang. What AJ personally told me (over lunch about 5-6 years before he died) was that "If I had it to do all over again, I would probably recommend most people train on Nautilus equipment twice per week instead of the three times we originally went with. Why? Because most everyone, once they pass the beginner stage, cannot recuperate from three properly executed workouts per week....Hell, if I SUPERVISE, three times a week will probably put most people in the _uckin' morgue!"

Classic Arthur. He was never one to mince words!

Good training to all.


Thanks for all the feedback guys, sorry I haven't weighed in, been busy with my studies.

Arthur knew where it was at when it came to intensity. I have a fare idea, after all these years under the iron, which is explains my average 9 minute workouts.

I have re-instated max contractions where and when possible, which takes my pain tolerance (and muscle stimulus) to a whole other level! The depth of depletion on the intended muscles and CNS demands careful regulation.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

cmg wrote:
Yes but was this for muscle building or just general health...?

Thank you,Ron


My thoughts exactly, Ron!
(been on the road a couple days)

His latter-year focus was much more on strictly strength and function gains, not BBing.

Scott
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

I mentioned this before maybe it will help.

http://medxonline.com/...gthandjones.pdf


Otherwise I would go by what Brian said.
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hdlifter

dipsrule wrote:
I mentioned this before maybe it will help.

http://medxonline.com/...gthandjones.pdf


Otherwise I would go by what Brian said.


Thanks. Lomg time since I read that.

Good point! Jone was anti-bodybuilding in latter times, so his outlook and recommendations probably wasn't aimed in that direction...unike years earlier.
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HeavyHitter32

I think Jones' comment on training the lower back once every 3 weeks in some cases has been more badly misinterpreted by some in the HIT crowd more than anything.

So many immediately took that as, "Oh, I guess I should train every muscle once every 3 weeks!"
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HDLou

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I think Jones' comment on training the lower back once every 3 weeks in some cases has been more badly misinterpreted by some in the HIT crowd more than anything.

So many immediately took that as, "Oh, I guess I should train every muscle once every 3 weeks!"


Seemed to work pretty well for this guy:
http://www.machinemuscle.com/...-one-chad-shaw/
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HeavyHitter32

HDLou wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
I think Jones' comment on training the lower back once every 3 weeks in some cases has been more badly misinterpreted by some in the HIT crowd more than anything.

So many immediately took that as, "Oh, I guess I should train every muscle once every 3 weeks!"

Seemed to work pretty well for this guy:
http://www.machinemuscle.com/...d-shaw/


Let me ask you this:

1. Did he build the majority of muscle training a body part once every 3 weeks?

2. Does he still train this way? That article is over two years old.

Everyone has experimented with ultra infrequent stuff, but I know of no one who sustains something that extreme because everyone finds out they lose muscularity over time - unless again perhaps we are talking about direct lower back. At least everyone I have talked to and it's been discussed a lot on this forum.
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