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pillarope

Dr Darden, I just finished reading your latest book, Bodyfat Breakthrough and was very impressed with the results you were able to achieve with the participants. I have been searching on this site for others who have achieved similar results using the 30-30-30 protocol. Unfortunately, I have yet to find anyone who was able to achieve these results outside of your coaching. If this is such an effective method, which I believe it is, why are the results not replicated on a more frequent basis? Thank you for your time.
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coalman426

never done the 30 thing but i can say thumbs up to dr darden for that fl dreaming diet.i love the frozen meals and its perfect for a garage guy like myself.
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Ellington Darden

I used to ask the same kind of questions to Arthur Jones. Arthur then would answer that 50% of getting great results was in "believing what you were doing was in fact the best solution for whatever problem you had." Forty years ago, I didn't fully grasp what Arthur was talking about. Today, I do understand.

Because of my experience and age, I can get small groups of test subjects to really BELIEVE that my latest program is going to work for whatever ails them. And, just as Arthur noted 40 years ago, that's 50% of the battle.

Combine that 50% with the latest science of fat loss and muscle building and some amazing results occur.

Ellington

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PTDaniel

I'm highly suspicious of the "before-and-after" gimmick usually because I don't get to see the "before the before". By that I mean the great results can be easily predetermined by choosing detrained, steroid using muscular marvels for subjects. You know from their prior success that they have the genetics for high levels of muscular development. Since they are regaining what they once had, the gains come quicker than if they never had an advanced level of development.

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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

Results can be had outside of being in one of Dr. Darden's. books or studies.

It takes focus and a mindset that you can do it. Like what Dr.Darden said about 50% of it is believing.

Having a training partner can make a difference.

Having a plan and following it.Calorie counting works.

For me it was easier to train to failure than it is to stay with an eating plan as well as drinking enough water.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

Dr. Darden,

Am I mistaken? Didn't Arthur Jones say that "2 of the most important factors for getting great results were good genetics and the quality of coaching"? Clearly the quality of coaching your trainees get makes a big, big difference!

Scott
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coalman426

pt there is always going to be some guy like that truck guy in dardens book.if you look to the left on the screen none of those people are drug users or have good genetics.all of them have made great improvement.i do agree about positive thinking.i cant lie i love training with big drug users nothing motivates me more.lol
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coomo

dipsrule wrote:
Results can be had outside of being in one of Dr. Darden's. books or studies.

It takes focus and a mindset that you can do it. Like what Dr.Darden said about 50% of it is believing.

Having a training partner can make a difference.

Having a plan and following it.Calorie counting works.

For me it was easier to train to failure than it is to stay with an eating plan as well as drinking enough water.

Well, I tried calorie reduction.I believed it would work.I adhered to the protocol.It didnt work for me either.Long term, calorific restriction is futile and eventually hunger will win.

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Average Al

pillarope wrote:
Dr Darden, I just finished reading your latest book, Bodyfat Breakthrough and was very impressed with the results you were able to achieve with the participants. I have been searching on this site for others who have achieved similar results using the 30-30-30 protocol. Unfortunately, I have yet to find anyone who was able to achieve these results outside of your coaching.


I was under the impression that most (or all?) of the case studies in the book involved people who were trained using x-force machines, not the 30-30-30 protocol. I'm sure someone will correct me if I got that wrong.
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Ellington Darden

Of the 145 people who composed the test panel for the Body Fat Breakthrough book, 10 of them were trained using the 30-30-30 technique on standard equipment. The remaining 135 applied X-Force machines.

Ellington
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coalman426

hey coomo i got the results of my bloodtest today.total cholesterol is 161.thats over 50 points lower in 5 months.low fat diet,fish oil and oatmeal for breakfast.drank soda the whole time.im not saying your way woulnt work but dardens diet did the job.no statins for coalman.my weight loss seems to have stabilized at about 12 lbs.got a rep with 405 about a month ago.as soon as i find my tape measure im going to repost pics.was never really hungry on this diet and i had plenty of energy.im going to have a cheat meal weds. livin the dream.
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coomo

Very good.However why are you worried about Cholesterol?
It has no impact on CVD.Its an essential component of body chemistry.
Please do not believe the lies, and fraud that have brain washed millions, into taking drugs, that at best are wont do anything, and at worst will cause cancer.
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HeavyHitter32

Having high amounts of small particle LDL is not good. Small particle LDL is also more likely to oxidize. Large particle LDL is less likely to be an issue. Low triglicerides are just as if not more important as well as low C-Reactive Protein levels.
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pillarope

Ellington Darden wrote:
Of the 145 people who composed the test panel for the Body Fat Breakthrough book, 10 of them were trained using the 30-30-30 technique on standard equipment. The remaining 135 applied X-Force machines.

Ellington


Dr Darden, how did the results of the individuals who used the 30-30-30 in your test compare with the average for the X-Force group?

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coalman426

after working over 30 years underground there is no way im going out with a heart attack.people thought i was paranoid when i started wearing respirators decades ago and at 52 my lungs xray good and ive outlived my father and grandfather.when i retire my plan is to collect my pension long enough to bankrupt those mofos.lol the only thing i miss is popeyes chicken.
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garymar61

coalman426 wrote:
after working over 30 years underground there is no way im going out with a heart attack...bankrupt those mofos.lol the only thing i miss is popeyes chicken.


Coalman you are a character! Are you really an Appalachian coalminer? Matewan!

I knew a guy from St. Mary's, WV a long time ago.
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Ellington Darden

pillarope wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
Of the 145 people who composed the test panel for the Body Fat Breakthrough book, 10 of them were trained using the 30-30-30 technique on standard equipment. The remaining 135 applied X-Force machines.

Ellington

Dr Darden, how did the results of the individuals who used the 30-30-30 in your test compare with the average for the X-Force group?



The 30-30-30 group had approximately 85% of the results of the X-Force group.

Ellington

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coalman426

if i was going to pretend to be something it damn sure wouldnt be a coalminer.maybe a womens under wear designer then i could be pantyman.then i really would be livin the dream.unfortunatly i breath alot of dust instead of perfume.god bless the umwa.
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coomo

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Having high amounts of small particle LDL is not good. Small particle LDL is also more likely to oxidize. Large particle LDL is less likely to be an issue. Low triglicerides are just as if not more important as well as low C-Reactive Protein levels.

Agreed.however,its not the LDL that are oxidising themselves! Something is causing it.

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coalman426

this cholesterol thing is like hit vs multy sets nobodys going to agree.the important thing is mine is good.however one chooses to do it i wish them luck.you gotta take care of number one.since mine is low and im big and sexy and jays gone i think everyone should do what i say.lol just jokeing.
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coalman426

coomo i think what was causeing it was bologna sandwiches and vienna sausages.now its turkey and veggy sausages.im healthier and look better.am i as lean as pt or glen.no but leaner than i was.i take a 2mg androderm patch and still had a low reading on that.250.i can get a 4mg or shot but i havent made up my mind.i feel good.im not as big as i once was but honestly im biger than 90 percent of the population.maybe this is where i need to be.im also aware drug use is probably what caused this.
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HeavyHitter32

coomo wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Having high amounts of small particle LDL is not good. Small particle LDL is also more likely to oxidize. Large particle LDL is less likely to be an issue. Low triglicerides are just as if not more important as well as low C-Reactive Protein levels.
Agreed.however,its not the LDL that are oxidising themselves! Something is causing it.



The issue seems to be that small particle LDL once in the artery walls tend to more likely oxidize which cause inflammatory and adhesive proteins - this promotes "endothelial dysfunction"; thus, more likely to contribute to plaque build up within the artery. The bottom line is, why does anyone want small particle LDL in their body? Keep the crap out of your system as much as you can to lower your heart risk especially if you have genetic/family history factors to consider.

To decrease the amount of small particle LDL: stay as reasonably lean as you can, stay active, and stay away from processed sugar and bleach flour. Some things that can help: healthy fats (especially in nuts), Omega 3s, fiber, and oats have been shown to help reduce the amount of small particle LDL. Niacin supplements can help too, but does have some side effects in some people. Obviously, all of this within the context of a healthy diet. Best to get your small particle LDL levels measured and see where you're at when you get a lipid test from your Dr.

Keep an eye on your Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein level too. Cortisol levels is another one, but if your blood pressure is normal, your cortisol levels are likely fine.
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marcrph

Portugal

Can anyone produce documentation (measurements and standardized before/after photographs) of better results from a fat loss program than those results that Dr. Darden has produced during his research of diet and exercise within his latest book?

So far, only John Little has produced anything even close.


Anyone?
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coomo

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
coomo wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Having high amounts of small particle LDL is not good. Small particle LDL is also more likely to oxidize. Large particle LDL is less likely to be an issue. Low triglicerides are just as if not more important as well as low C-Reactive Protein levels.
Agreed.however,its not the LDL that are oxidising themselves! Something is causing it.



The issue seems to be that small particle LDL once in the artery walls tend to more likely oxidize which cause inflammatory and adhesive proteins - this promotes "endothelial dysfunction"; thus, more likely to contribute to plaque build up within the artery. The bottom line is, why does anyone want small particle LDL in their body? Keep the crap out of your system as much as you can to lower your heart risk especially if you have genetic/family history factors to consider.

To decrease the amount of small particle LDL: stay as reasonably lean as you can, stay active, and stay away from processed sugar and bleach flour. Some things that can help: healthy fats (especially in nuts), Omega 3s, fiber, and oats have been shown to help reduce the amount of small particle LDL. Niacin supplements can help too, but does have some side effects in some people. Obviously, all of this within the context of a healthy diet. Best to get your small particle LDL levels measured and see where you're at when you get a lipid test from your Dr.

Keep an eye on your Homocysteine and C-Reactive Protein level too. Cortisol levels is another one, but if your blood pressure is normal, your cortisol levels are likely fine.

Agreed.However, "Healthy fats" have become a buzz word to vilify saturated fats.
This lie, has now become so deeply entrenched in the western mind, it has taken many years for cardiologists, and scientists to finally begin to admit they got it wrong.
Hydrogenated Vegetable oils, once seen as a "healthy" alternative, have been the smiling assassin all along.

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coomo

coalman426 wrote:
this cholesterol thing is like hit vs multy sets nobodys going to agree.the important thing is mine is good.however one chooses to do it i wish them luck.you gotta take care of number one.since mine is low and im big and sexy and jays gone i think everyone should do what i say.lol just jokeing.

No one is going to agree if they have vested interests.The doctors, and pharmas are perpetrating a myth to earn 30 billion a year.
if you can use a logical rational mind, research the numbers(as I have over 5 years) you will see this.
Just for the record, approximately 50% of admissions to hospitals for heart attacks have high Cholesterol.Guess what the other 50% have? Yup, low Cholesterol.
Levels vary according to many factors, even time of day.The tests, results and prognosis are incorrect and irelavent.

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