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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

My 2 cents with regards to equipment.

What something feels like is individual and of course subjective. What I think most experienced folks like DL are noting when trying equipment is 'what the builder didn't get wrong' as opposed to what is right...two very different things.

I thought the MedX line was exactly what equipment should be until I put hundreds of different types of people through thousands of workouts...it isn't. 75-95 sessions a week for almost a decade of repeatable, verifiable data and feedback is what educated me, not opinion and feel. MedX is light years ahead of 90% of what is out there but it still isn't right (many MedX designs are actually wrong and worse than some lower end generic machines). I just use hand picked pieces* and make them work through a myriad of performance variables. I think AJ compromised because to make 100% proper machines is just not financially feasible.

Becoming willing to take creative control of your workouts makes the difference...not the tools.

Regards,
Andrew

*Full disclosure - I have thus far chosen only from the older Nautilus lines because I am familiar enough with them to make an educated decision. As well, they are sturdy enough to use as real tools rather than needing to adjust performance to meet the needs of the machine.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I find MedX ideal for rehab and general population training. When it comes to optimizing muscular strength and development in a person striving to achieve 'more' than the general population, it isn't all that great. I have several MedX pieces, and use them regularly, but I have to apply different methods to get the most of them and to make them feel challenging in the bodybuilding sense. Even then, I can get better results with most clients doing incline dumbbell curls as opposed to the MedX curl, for example.
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H.I.T. Believer

AShortt wrote:
My 2 cents with regards to equipment.



MedX is light years ahead of 90% of what is out there
..back to the equipment thing again- guess ill pipe in..Not having the time or desire for debate, this is first and foremost a subjective question - again, do you like chevy, ford or dodge best and why..
i was wondering andrew, which eqipment line- in general and overall-that you found to be the best ?


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H.I.T. Believer

We can start with the basic premise question of what is better free weights or machines ? Then ask question..on all exercises or depending on which exercise ?
Next, in order to compare apples and apples, which machine line is the best overall ? i think it depends on the exercise and the specific movement
In my review i have :

best legs: Hands down medx, with the exception of the hip and back where i like the single arm nautilus 2st better and possibly the leg extension machines where i like nautilus. Medx leg press and avenger leg press are better than any nautilus ever made imo

best chest: medx chest press and arm cross over nautilus..the hammer wide angle is real good too

best back: medx row and pulldown but i like the nautilus pullovers better than the medx

best shoulders: medx but not by much, i think the nautilus later raise are nearly as good but the medx shoulder press is much easier on shoulders..And i think the older hammer overhead press is quite good too

best arms: Probably nautilus, plate loaded bi/tri and the next gen multi are my favs..although i personally do like the medx tricep and the strive plateloader is quite good too

best neck : really a tie between nautilus and medx , but the medical medx neck im sure would be on top

best low back: In the exercise line i actually like the nautilus 2st version best but the medx medical low back trumps them all

best abs: best rotary torso is medx and best ab is either nautilus 1st gen or nautilus one..

best overall line : medx
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coalman426

cant really disagree.the good thing about a garage gym is everything is hand picked.brians right dumbells are hard to beat.
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3 way split

My biceps have never been bigger and fuller,[no gap at the elbow]. I attribute this to the Nautilus cam and using John Littles' Max Contraction and Omega set.

If one does not have access to a good machine that brings the bicep to full contraction, one could do a body weight chin, held in full contraction[chin above the bar]. Some will need to add extra weight via belt.

One set, every 21 days, in a 3 way split will stimulate growth without over training.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Post a photo of your biceps, particularly if you have a 'before' photo to compare to the 'after' photo.
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dipsrule

Pennsylvania, USA

3 way split wrote:
My biceps have never been bigger and fuller,[no gap at the elbow]. I attribute this to the Nautilus cam and using John Littles' Max Contraction and Omega set.

If one does not have access to a good machine that brings the bicep to full contraction, one could do a body weight chin, held in full contraction[chin above the bar]. Some will need to add extra weight via belt.

One set, every 21 days, in a 3 way split will stimulate growth without over training.




Welcome back Jay
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coalman426

im glad jays back.ive heard much worse advice recently than what he gives.23 sets of squats 3 times a week was a good one.lol
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

AShortt wrote:
My 2 cents with regards to equipment.

What something feels like is individual and of course subjective. What I think most experienced folks like DL are noting when trying equipment is 'what the builder didn't get wrong' as opposed to what is right...two very different things.

I thought the MedX line was exactly what equipment should be until I put hundreds of different types of people through thousands of workouts...it isn't. 75-95 sessions a week for almost a decade of repeatable, verifiable data and feedback is what educated me, not opinion and feel. MedX is light years ahead of 90% of what is out there but it still isn't right (many MedX designs are actually wrong and worse than some lower end generic machines). I just use hand picked pieces* and make them work through a myriad of performance variables. I think AJ compromised because to make 100% proper machines is just not financially feasible.

Becoming willing to take creative control of your workouts makes the difference...not the tools.

Regards,
Andrew

*Full disclosure - I have thus far chosen only from the older Nautilus lines because I am familiar enough with them to make an educated decision. As well, they are sturdy enough to use as real tools rather than needing to adjust performance to meet the needs of the machine.


==Scott==
I love my Nautilus and other machines that I have but to be honest I haven't got any better actual results using any particular machine or barbell over the other. If for instance, if I was doing curls I got just as good of results in that muscle doing dumbell curls as the best Nautilus or any other machine.For me it just comes down to which do I prefer to use. I mix it up and try not to kid myself that, boy if I had "that" machine I'd really make better progress.If you work hard and smart and safe it doesn't matter what you use.
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coalman426

an intresting set of photos would be your biceps brian.your so well developed if you could get any more on them it would be proof of a great routine.how bout it.say 6 month challenge.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

3 way split wrote:
My biceps have never been bigger and fuller,[no gap at the elbow]. I attribute this to the Nautilus cam and using John Littles' Max Contraction and Omega set.

If one does not have access to a good machine that brings the bicep to full contraction, one could do a body weight chin, held in full contraction[chin above the bar]. Some will need to add extra weight via belt.

One set, every 21 days, in a 3 way split will stimulate growth without over training.


==Scott==
So are you saying something you have done has reduced the gap between the bicep muscle and the forearm? That's quite amazing if you've discovered something that lengthened the muscle belly and or where it attaches!
No gap at the elbow? I've only seen a few with very little gap there, Oliva being one. Your arms must be huge!!
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H.I.T. Believer

i agree scott...as far as major results goes,its hard to see where any one movement is that much better than the other..In the end i think good equipment is safer and feels better especially on joints as we age - maybe makes better use of single set training efficiency too..But overall,- with regards to results- lots of different routines and different machines produce similar results..Genetics is a much larger factor than the tool which we choose to work out with..


entsminger wrote:
AShortt wrote:
My 2 cents with regards to equipment.

What something feels like is individual and of course subjective. What I think most experienced folks like DL are noting when trying equipment is 'what the builder didn't get wrong' as opposed to what is right...two very different things.

I thought the MedX line was exactly what equipment should be until I put hundreds of different types of people through thousands of workouts...it isn't. 75-95 sessions a week for almost a decade of repeatable, verifiable data and feedback is what educated me, not opinion and feel. MedX is light years ahead of 90% of what is out there but it still isn't right (many MedX designs are actually wrong and worse than some lower end generic machines). I just use hand picked pieces* and make them work through a myriad of performance variables. I think AJ compromised because to make 100% proper machines is just not financially feasible.

Becoming willing to take creative control of your workouts makes the difference...not the tools.

Regards,
Andrew

*Full disclosure - I have thus far chosen only from the older Nautilus lines because I am familiar enough with them to make an educated decision. As well, they are sturdy enough to use as real tools rather than needing to adjust performance to meet the needs of the machine.

==Scott==
I love my Nautilus and other machines that I have but to be honest I haven't got any better actual results using any particular machine or barbell over the other. If for instance, if I was doing curls I got just as good of results in that muscle doing dumbell curls as the best Nautilus or any other machine.For me it just comes down to which do I prefer to use. I mix it up and try not to kid myself that, boy if I had "that" machine I'd really make better progress.If you work hard and smart and safe it doesn't matter what you use.


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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I've been through every routine imaginable, including a set every hour for 12 hours (if you recall that) and it did nothing. My arms have better development now than years back, but they are still my weak point. The only thing that has helped in recent months are hammer curls, mostly because I avoided them for so long and it's something DIFFERENT.
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coalman426

brian your shoulders look good.i would love to hear your favorite go to routine.at one time i would have said my shoulders were my best part but even then i was never able to get that roundness on the side delts.arms are funny for me.im a volume guy but my biceps do best with only 6 sets after back.triceps anywhere from 12 to 20 depending on frequency.sometimes i give tris there own day and still not as good as bis,i think my genes are more geared for pulling exercises.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

I don't have a go-to routine. I don't recall doing the same thing twice over the past 4-5 years, although I may have without realizing it.
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DNAHelix

New York, USA

I will have to be brutally honest here, MedX is vey average equipment and definitely not worth the asking price. Some of the machines are just outright terrible.
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bobcop

Re: Medx Lumbar Extension - in performing reps on this machine do you do them with spinal flexion or is it better to keep your back straight and fixed while doing it?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Flexing the spine increases disc compression... I would never do it and have found it aggravates even when you don't have issues (it creates issues). It's like doing spinal flexion for deadlifts or squats... the spine is under load, and so why would you do that?
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Average Al

Brian Johnston wrote:
Flexing the spine increases disc compression... I would never do it and have found it aggravates even when you don't have issues (it creates issues). It's like doing spinal flexion for deadlifts or squats... the spine is under load, and so why would you do that?


I thought the design of the Medx back extension locks the pelvis in place, and forces the spine to flex and extend as a means of isolating the lumbar extensors.

Are you implying that you don't use the Medx back, or do you mean something else?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

What I'm saying is, when I move forward in the machine, I do NOT make a point of rounding my back forward in order to flex the spine... doing so would increase compression forces on the discs.
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MikaelPR

Years ago I decided to try working the intrinsic lumbar flexors by alternately allowing my spine to flex forward and then extending backwards while keeping the rest of my body static (performed on a low cable row set up). Probably the most debilitating injury I have ever suffered, in bed for three days, crawled around for 3 more, didn't fully recover for a month.
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Landau

Florida, USA

The Problem is a Cult-Like Allegiance that Permeates throughout HIT, but once Broken - There are Manufacturers that do get some things "right," "you" just have to go out and test drive other Machines.
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Wow I thought I would have caught a lot more flack for coming down on MedX a bit.

As always the thing that baffles me is how people are so bootstrapped to doing FROM all the time. Exercises like exercise machines are just tools. You can get really surprising results from mixing ranges of motion from different exercises together. Example: superset middles of an overhead Ez curl bar triceps extension to bottoms of a close grip press and tops of a weighted dip. If you switch quick enough the result is great. Then extrapolate that you can add techniques like statics/isometrics and fine tune to your needs and goals. Example: I tend to find my triceps pump up too quick and the congestion and burn shuts me down. I like to do heavy top half's of a skullcrusher into an all out 6 second isometric then bottom half of the bench dip and finish off with another all out 6 second iso. I usually use a cable machine for the iso and just load the stack heavier than I can lift and use a handle and setting that sets my arms up so they are half bent as in halfway through the cable extension move.

The point being that we should become free to use tools as tools and techniques as techniques. This rather than expecting the specific technique and/or tool to do the full job for us.

You pick different exercises, you pick different weights, you pick training frequency, you focus and train very hard...why not pick your ROM's and technique stacks ;?)

Regards,
Andrew

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DNAHelix

New York, USA

Landau wrote:
The Problem is a Cult-Like Allegiance that Permeates throughout HIT, but once Broken - There are Manufacturers that do get some things "right," "you" just have to go out and test drive other Machines.


^^^^^^^^^

Thank you, David!
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