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DanBeitzel87

Greetings,

I have been training HIT style for nearly ten years now, and in fact it is the only protocol that i have ever utilized in strength training. My question for you guys is this...what are peoples perception of your own physique? After ten years of training i still get the "oh your so skinny" comment or "i didnt know you even lifted." (even though im stronger than than guys twice my size in the gym) Not that opinions matter, however it can still be discouraging and de motivating to say the least. Does anyone else have the same type of problem? Its almost as if wearing certain clothing makes it seem like you dont lift at all, and when lifting for so long, it would be nice if you at least looked like you had some type of muscle to the public eye. My only strategy to appear more muscular is to simply cut down on body fat even more so, in order to have the appearance of definition. Whats your opinion on this?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

To look like a bodybuilder, a person needs to body build. I have trained many small individuals and they take form with the right application of training. Too many people 'strength' train and expect to look like a bodybuilder. This is an on-going theme on this site (and I suspect others), and so take it as you wish.
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DanBeitzel87

Brian Johnston wrote:
To look like a bodybuilder, a person needs to body build. I have trained many small individuals and they take form with the right application of training. Too many people 'strength' train and expect to look like a bodybuilder. This is an on-going theme on this site (and I suspect others), and so take it as you wish.



By strength training I mean standard HIT routines by Dr. Darden and Drew Baye
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perrymk

In my opinion, if you're natural and average, the likelihood of getting a noticeable amount muscle mass isn't great. Even if you gained and maintained 25 pounds of muscle, which is probably as much as most people can hope for, spread out over your whole body it just isn't that much. What you say about keeping your weight down to get an athletic look is true. I seem to recall it was AJ who said "the fastest way to look 10 pounds more muscular is to drop 10 pounds of fat" or something to that effect.

The flip side of this is (again just my opinion) carrying excess weight whether from muscle or fat is hard on your heart. Your body will limit itself to what it can maintain in good health naturally.
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S.M.Punisher

I agree with perrymk. Most, or even almost all, lifelong naturals *who are cut* are not going to look "that big" with their shirt on. Shirt off, however, is a different story.

If I wanted to look bigger in clothes I'd just go to Burger King for breakfast and lunch every day (I have done this- a BK was conveniently situated along my two minute walk to work once) and I'd gain fat pretty evenly across my body and just be a bigger but smoother version of my present self.

Many years ago when I was 19 and about 30 pounds heavier, friends and family members used to comment on how big I looked, which I liked since I'd been struggling all my teenage years to add size to my naturally skinny, ectomorphic frame, but it was all fat! I'm more developed (and much stronger) now, but it depends on what I'm wearing weather people give my physique a second look in every day life (and the difference I notice in reactions is quite striking when I do wear tighter fitting clothes).
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

Dan

You are way way way way overtraining. You MUST increase rest days allowing you then to increase intenSity/weightand actually showing gain. Alternatively, if you are really stagnated, you might not be intense enough. After ten years I assume that is not so ... :(

Don't confuse leanness and defintion with strength, muscles, and progress. Don't confuse workout speed volume and tatoo with knowledge either :)
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coalman426

i pretty much agree with punisher about the clothing.i have always worn baggy clothes atleast a size to big.when i get a coment im usually in my gym clothes.i agree with brian.everybody else is wrong.almost anyone can build a good well muscled body.it takes a long time and is so hard most people quit.a few months ago this same topic was up and i posted a pic of my arm.the coments were genetics,drugs someone sugested synthol.all bs.ive been lifting steady since 1978.the truth is i did alot wrong and should be larger.if you havent made improvement in a decade try something different.if you think you will only grow a little thats all youll ever get.i think at 52 i still have alot left.if i dont reach my goal im going down swingin and will have no regrets.
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kurtvf

Brian Johnston wrote:
To look like a bodybuilder, a person needs to body build. I have trained many small individuals and they take form with the right application of training. Too many people 'strength' train and expect to look like a bodybuilder. This is an on-going theme on this site (and I suspect others), and so take it as you wish.


This....Sometimes people that look strong are strong, like Franco Columbo, yet his buddy Arnie was quite a bit bigger but no where near as strong.

I've mentioned this before but it is worth mentioning again, the best bench presser that ever lived didn't even look like he lifted weights....

People on this site seem obsessed with photographs "as proof that you work out"
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elDiabloBlanco

Dan,

How many times per week are you lifting? How much rest between training? Any other exercising between weight training?

Heavy work on the basics, heavy weights or body weight exercises, will add mass and mass is the only way you will look more physically imposing.

IMO isolation exercises will make you defined/cut but never seem to add much mass.

My 2 cents.

Sw

P.S. ignore anything from Grant, he's a troll that doesn't weight train.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

swamp yankee wrote:

IMO isolation exercises will make you defined/cut but never seem to add much mass.
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I would like to see someone who maximized growth potential in the calves without some type of calf raise or press... or the delts without some form of raise... or the arms without some form of curl or pushdown... or the abs without some for of spinal flexion. I suppose there may be someone out there, but I haven't met that person yet.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

My question for you guys is this...what are peoples perception of your own physique? After ten years of training i still get the "oh your so skinny" comment or "i didnt know you even lifted."

==Scott==
There's this tall fellow at work who just looks like an average guy. One day we got to talking and it turns out he competes in bodybuilding contests.I had no idea he even worked out. He showed me pictures and I was amazed. Problem is he always wears baggy oafy cloths and just looks like a big fellow. I've yet to see him in a tight shirt with his arms showing.
There's this other guy I know who works at a hardware store. He dresses normal but his sleeves are skin tight to show off his big arms. It's sort of goofy looking. How you dress can make a big difference if in fact you have something to show. At work years ago I always wore baggy shirts, suits, etc. Then one day I dressed in tight jeans and shirt and I got nothing but stares. They started calling me guns because my arms looked fairly big, at least compared to the clods at work.
I think the key is to dress to show your muscles but not so obvious that it looks like you're trying to show them off. Nothing is more annoying then to see some big guy ( especially on the street or in the public) obviously dressed with super tight shirts, or sleeves cut off etc. It just shouts look at me, I'm a lunk head bodybuilder trying to show off.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Grant D. wrote:
Dan

You are way way way way overtraining. You MUST increase rest days allowing you then to increase intenSity/weightand actually showing gain. Alternatively, if you are really stagnated, you might not be intense enough. After ten years I assume that is not so ... :(

Don't confuse leanness and defintion with strength, muscles, and progress. Don't confuse workout speed volume and tatoo with knowledge either :)


==Scott==
Unless I missed something I don't think Dan said anything about how much or how often he works out? How can you say he is over training??
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

You have to start by accepting your body type. Unless you want to get fat and look bigger in cloths you may only look muscular in some outfits. This is no different than gals who want to look thin but are not naturally small boned etc.

You can as a male pic cloths that best display your physique. You would be surprised what the right outfit can do for look.

As well as Johnston mentioned, train like a bodybuilder and focus as much if not more on muscle control as you do intensity and seeing how much you can lift. MInd-Muscle connection so you can go from a solid tightly twisted rope to a rope with knots in it as well.

Regards,
Andrew
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Keyser S?

Brian Johnston wrote:
swamp yankee wrote:

IMO isolation exercises will make you defined/cut but never seem to add much mass.
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I would like to see someone who maximized growth potential in the calves without some type of calf raise or press...


It can't be shown that you have ever seen anybody who has maximized their growth potential in their calves. If you believe you have ever seen that it must simply be that you chose to believe it.


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Keyser S?

DanBeitzel87 wrote:
My only strategy to appear more muscular is to simply cut down on body fat even more so, in order to have the appearance of definition. Whats your opinion on this?


It's the wrong strategy. You need to eat more nutritious food instead until you start to gain some weight on the scale. Then if you find it's not going on as muscle start troubleshooting your training.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Keyser S? wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
swamp yankee wrote:

IMO isolation exercises will make you defined/cut but never seem to add much mass.
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I would like to see someone who maximized growth potential in the calves without some type of calf raise or press...

It can't be shown that you have ever seen anybody who has maximized their growth potential in their calves. If you believe you have ever seen that it must simply be that you chose to believe it.




Certainly much of this is speculation. Still, I don't see well-developed people doing nothing direct for body parts. It's a rarity. And you can't tell me that just because a person has a well-developed body part (from genetics and indirect training) that it could not be improved upon with direct work.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Keyser S? wrote:
DanBeitzel87 wrote:
My only strategy to appear more muscular is to simply cut down on body fat even more so, in order to have the appearance of definition. Whats your opinion on this?

It's the wrong strategy. You need to eat more nutritious food instead until you start to gain some weight on the scale. Then if you find it's not going on as muscle start troubleshooting your training.


How do you know he's not eating well? Shouldn't we see a photo of this person's physique before making such a comment?
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sirloin

Brian Johnston wrote:
swamp yankee wrote:

IMO isolation exercises will make you defined/cut but never seem to add much mass.
.

I would like to see someone who maximized growth potential in the calves without some type of calf raise or press... or the delts without some form of raise... or the arms without some form of curl or pushdown... or the abs without some for of spinal flexion. I suppose there may be someone out there, but I haven't met that person yet.


Gotta agree, nothing added size to my delts like machine lateral raises, or machine flyes for pecs

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coalman426

as ive said before for several years i quit doing laterals on shoulders.i did shrugs,upright rows and ohp,heavy.my shoulders got worse.the direct work on each muscle makes a big difference,brians pretty much correct about everything except working out on xmas.lol
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elDiabloBlanco

Brian,

I understand your point but if he uses the big compound exercises and progresses up the ladder in weight or reps the return will be greater. IMO bigger and stronger is better than just bigger. I've seen a lot of big guys hat can't lift heavy weight but pump the hell out of the 25 pounders.

If he has been using HIT for a decade, depending on how many times per week, he could see a significant improvement by reducing the number of workouts or the number of exercises (assuming he is at once per week or doesn't want to reduce he frequency).

I don't understand your statement concerning the rarity of size without direct weight work. There are many people that do not weight training that are big and developed. Gymnasts and rock climbers come to mind and I have several friends that have very physically demanding jobs (commercial divers) that have never trained with weights that are big guys, not well defined but big and strong. Farmers I know in Tenn. and Wis. are big and strong. Anybody can get big without direct work they just have progress at a reasonable rate and put the time in.

Sw

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coalman426

that may be true swamp but i would wager if he increased sets,frequency and variety of angles and made sure to get protein he would grow.i guess theres 2 ways.do less or more.practice makes perfect.look at the pics of the guys and look at there routines.its obvious.
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PTDaniel

I did conventional HIT and Ultra HIT style workouts for years. I developed enough muscularity that if I wore T shirts or shirts that were snug around the torso, people could tell that I trained. In a lot of street clothing it wasn't obvious that I trained.

After switching to a training style that is more eclectic in the past two years I have gained enough muscularity that people can tell through all of my clothing that I train.

I did develop a lot of strength using HIT and Ultra HIT, but plateaued in muscular development despite getting stronger.

I think a lot of trainees if they stay lean and wear loose fitting, casual clothes will not draw much public attention. Muscle is much denser than fat, so it occupies less volume in your clothes. If you do not have a large shoulder/waist ratio I think that you need to be very muscular for it to be noticeable.
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DanBeitzel87

Greetings,

Thanks guys for the insightful responses. I have come to very similar conclusions pertaining to clothing and how one appears in them. I have come to realize that the perception of society on what a healthy body looks like is all out of whack. I really believe that people who dont lift either see things as "fat" or "skinny"...
They dont know how to identify any particularities about a physique, but mainly think in extremes. Btw my routine is a basic push pull routine and i do indeed have isolation exercises for arms. Im training twice a week and this is definitely good frequency for me.

Andrew,
Ive been watching your youtube videos, and they are excellent! i love the little lectures you give. very beneficial.

Thanks guys,

Dan Beitzel
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elDiabloBlanco

The single biggest factor is working hard. There is no shortcut. No cookie cutter routine or one size fits all.

Some do better with low reps and sets, others do better with more reps and sets. You'll have to experiment to find what works best for you.

One last note, forget going to constant failure, very few people can maintain that schedule and grow. You need to cycle for the best results possible.

Best wishes,

Sw
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elDiabloBlanco

kurt wrote:

"People on this site seem obsessed with photographs "as proof that you work out"

FYI if someone shows up saying they are in the 1% of people walking the Earth stating they are 6"5" tall 15% BF at 270 lbs working out less than 5 minutes every 3 weeks and eat 1x a day I'll ask for proof every time. You might be gullible enough to believe that but I've been around the block a few times.

Ever wonder why he dislikes Turpin to the point of constantly attacking him? The reason is Turpin has proved everything he believes in is wrong.

Sw
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