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HeavyHitter32

They found a 4.2 CM mass on my kidney with an ultrasound later confirmed with a CT scan. They needle biopised it, and it was said to be benign but upon further investigation the Radiologist missed the mass.

Anyway, given its size, about 80% of these kidney masses are cancerous and even if benign, there is still a potential to for it to turn cancerous. If benign, they usually just monitor them for several years. My girlfriend worked with a woman who had a benign one that never grew.

Not sure I am going to do another biopsy as I kind of want the damn thing out and the doctor/surgeon suggested such and it would require a complete removal of my kidney given its location. I think Tony Williams just went through this.

The good thing is, it didn't spread and not near areas where it could spread right now.

This was purely an incidental finding. I've had zero kidney symptoms. I was having acid reflex issues and went to a GI doctor who ordered an upper endoscopy and abdominal ultrasound. Everything including the stomach looked good, but the mass was found. I guess I am damn lucky to find it now rather than in 10 years where it could have grown and spread.

It seems there have been several forum members who have developed cancer in recent years - I guess I'm on the list at least of 80% likelihood. I am going to get a second opinion, but that's the way it's shaping up.

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Turpin

Stay strong and positive mate .

T.
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PTDaniel

I hope this all works out for the best.
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cmg

I'm sorry to hear of this HH. Keep positive. If they do surgery - did they say you have a 100% recovery?

Best wishes,

Ron
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coalman426

You've been one of my favorite posters for quite sometime.keep your spirits up and always fight the good fight.life is funny I can get passed about trivial things and then I hear something like this and it puts things in perspective.things always have a way of working out.best wishes.
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noone

New York, USA

Stay strong and positive.
I had thyroid cancer and had my thyroid and 58 lymph nodes removed from my neck. That was 2 months ago. Still recovering, but went to the gym yesterday for the first time.
I wish you the best.
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sirloin

Best of Luck to ya mate, hopefully all works out. I found out in my 20s only one of my kidneys is functioning, thankfully its not caused any issues.
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HeavyHitter32

Thanks for the support and comments, guys.

CMG,

Yes, it would be a 100% recovery as far as I know. The mass has not spread nor is near any nodes, etc. There are risks associated with all surgery, but he says they are under 1% here.

The size of the mass is considered small-medium, but due to its location of being on the very bottom of the kidney against where the urine flows out, it would require full removal vs a partial kidney removal (which is what I was hoping they were going to be able to do). He would have to cut so close to that that area causing very high risk that the urine would not be able to flow out causing various issues as you can imagine (bladder block up, then cause the kidney to just die - then yet another surgery and who knows what else).

BUT, let's see what this other doctor thinks though. Maybe he knows of a way to do it.

Now, I could always try and go for another needle biopsy and hope there is that 20% chance it's benign, but then the mass can still grow causing issues if it got too big --- and can still one day turn cancerous as I understand it - although there seems to be some differing opinions on this depending on the type of "benign" kidney mass. Some doctors call these pre-cancerous. It's analogous to a certain mole on your skin; it might not be cancerous today but can change into it down the road. Masses either way are abnormal growths (and much different than cysts). Not 100% ruling out another biopsy, but not big on it either. Again, I'll see what this second opinion ends up being. Even the current doctor is not against scheduling me for another biopsy with someone different. Just not sure it's worth it all or not all things considered.

It would require monitoring for years to come to see if it's growing or not But not sure I want to live with that in the back of my mind either.

Either way, he says its 80% likely to be cancerous. Research articles I have read said similarly. Given it's size also makes it more likely.
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HeavyHitter32

sirloin wrote:
Best of Luck to ya mate, hopefully all works out. I found out in my 20s only one of my kidneys is functioning, thankfully its not caused any issues.


Yes, my friend knows of a couple of people who were born with just one kidney - and they have been fine. I was told just have to watch a few things and keep blood pressure in check (which mine is now) and watch the protein/meat intake but I don't eat a ton of it now.
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BretC wrote:
Stay strong and positive.
I had thyroid cancer and had my thyroid and 58 lymph nodes removed from my neck. That was 2 months ago. Still recovering, but went to the gym yesterday for the first time.
I wish you the best.


I'm very glad to hear you are doing well. I remember your post about it rather well. How did you feel right after the surgery?

My doctor told me it will "suck" for the first day or so as I guess that is to be expected for any major surgery.

The positive side of things is, the surgery will be done with a Laparoscope which greatly reduces pain and recovery. They go through the abdominal area with 4 smaller incisions.

The only "surgery" I've had before was impacted wisdom teeth removal and a procedure to cut through the gum to remove an abscess from a root canal'd tooth (apicoecotomy). Looking at what I am probably facing, not sure I can call those teeth procedures surgery. lol
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coach-jeff

Louisiana, USA

My Mother-in-Law had a kidney removed due to cancer, She was fine on one kidney.

Do yourself a favor...read the book World Without Cancer by Edward Griffin. I do NOT agree with him that vegetarian diets are the way to go for cancer however. (I believe a very low carb diet would be most therapeutic, given the fact that most cancer cells are fueled by glucose) But he's spot-on, in my opinion, about how nitrilosides are perhaps the strongest natural cancer fighter known to man.

- That's why when cattle, which get "winter cancers" when not on fresh grass, will self-medicate on certain grasses rich in nitrilosides.

- Eskimos, who were known to be cancer-free when not on white-man's foods, would cut open a killed Caribou, and consume the nitriloside loaded grasses found in the stomach.

- The Hunzas (In photo above), known for being cancer free when not on modern foods, ate a LOT of apricot kernels, which have the most nitriloside of any known plant.

Lots of real-world evidence in support of this.

Regarding acid-reflux...which even though it may have been a blessing in disguise for you, in terms of being made aware of the cancer....

I also used to suffer chronic acid. Low carb cures it. Also has cured it in many of my PT clients who had it.

Sorry to hear you're going through this. But I believe you'll come out on the side ok.
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HeavyHitter32

I actually eat a lot of foods with Nitrilosides.

My acid reflux was largely brought on from anxiety issues that started for me in 2013 before and after my Dad's passing and late night eating which I have cut out and helped a lot (no food 4-5 hours prior to going to bed). Some supplements I was taking were not helping either. Neither was coffee.

I think the vast majority of cancer is going to happen one way or the other...once you rule out demonstrably bad environment factors (smoking, poor air quality inhalation, heavily processed foods, obesity, avoiding excessive drugs and alcohol, etc.).

So long as you are active, eating whole foods, staying reasonable lean, keeping stress fairly controlled, and getting adequate sleep - I don't think there is anything more one can do. The rest of it is in the genes or just "bad luck" as some scientists are now saying as random gene mutations that just happen. I do have some cancer in my mother's side of the family (no kidney that I am aware of) and prostate cancer on my Dad's side. My mom died of lung cancer at 47, but had been a heavy smoker since the age of 16 and she had asthma which also increases the odds. By contrast, my Dad lived past 94 and many of his side lived to be 90-100. I don't think I fully have my Dad's genes though. I mean he was active, still working part-time in his business which he loved, and pretty mentally sharp just about until the end! It wasn't until he turned 92-93 where he visible started to slow down some but still ahead of the average person his age. He did have prostrate cancer in his 80s, but it was caught early and treated easily with radiation pellets.


Hopefully in my case if I get this kidney removed, my other kidney can at least last me another 40-50 more years without issues. I was reading of a 61-year-old on a cancer forum who had one kidney removed some years back and now the other has a couple of "new" masses.

With one kidney, you really have to watch for too much protein intake as well as potassium and certain acidic foods.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

It will be OK. Some cancers are terminal, whereas others are very localised and treatable. Best wishes. Eat well and think positive... and keep stress levels to a minimal. Frame of mind is important.
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marcrph

Portugal

HH32,

I have kidney stones...lots of them. OUCH! I'm super careful of supplements, excessive protein, etc...

I've been in the hospital twice with surgery....I survived...and so will YOU!

I really like your contributions here....Get Well!

P.S. I've found out that kidney stones really take a toll on my recovery....Thus my short and sweet WO's!
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Hitit

HH, Just want to wish you well my friend. All will be well and God Bless!

Brian
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DeBloism

Stay strong, my friend. I will keep you in my prayers for a full and speedy recovery. Your posts have been very helpful to me.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
My best friend had colon cancer and during the first chemo he lost a kidney. Then he went through many years of further chemo etc and the one kidney did fine.Considering the load of drugs and crap he put that kidney though it was quite amazing. He finally died from other causes related to the cancer.
Getting old sure ain't fun. These days I dread going to the doctor even when I'm feeling good when you always have in the back of your mind that they could find something else wrong with you that can be life threatening.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Stay positive and continue getting educated (I know you've got both of those licked) and you will beat this one.

Prayers & Best Regards
Scott
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Frank Scott

Years ago Entsminger said something along the lines of ' I like you guys'.
referring to this forum. I do too and I am sorry to hear of your misfortune.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
Thinking positive is probably one the most important things you can do at this time. The body listens to your thoughts. It's not always easy to think positive at times like these, especially for those of us like me who are natural pessimists, but having been around this cancer stuff for some time now I will say I have seen the result of positive thinking do wonderful stuff for some people.
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

Like the HAL-9000 told you... :)
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

Positivity and optimism all the way Sir!

Best Regards,
Andrew
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AShortt

Ontario, CAN

BretC wrote:
Stay strong and positive.
I had thyroid cancer and had my thyroid and 58 lymph nodes removed from my neck. That was 2 months ago. Still recovering, but went to the gym yesterday for the first time.
I wish you the best.


Happy to hear you are pushing onward and upward Sir!

Best Regards,
Andrew
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HeavyHitter32

Thanks for the support.

The second Urologist-surgeon I met is confident he can do a partial removal (partial nephrectomy) sparing the kidney which would maintain 85-90% of its current capacity. I was very impressed with him overall and he has quite the credentials and experience in doing partials. He's been involved in some leading edge stuff in this field.

Surgery scheduled for June 16th.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Thanks for the support.

The second Urologist-surgeon I met is confident he can do a partial removal (partial nephrectomy) sparing the kidney which would maintain 85-90% of its current capacity. I was very impressed with him overall and he has quite the credentials and experience in doing partials. He's been involved in some leading edge stuff in this field.

Surgery scheduled for June 16th.


==Scott==
That's great news! After you heal up after a while you'll probably never notice the difference.
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