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http://www.express.co.uk/...bad-as-steroids
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sirloin

What an asshole, he says this as many of his fellow competitors from the same era are dropping dead in their 40s and suffering from kidney failure and heart problems.

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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

And consider all the wrestlers... with Roddy Piper now added to the list (age 61 of 'NATURAL' causes).
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I think it's refreshing to read a frank account of the bodybuilding scene. Dorian is pretty much spot on with how things are in the UK.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
Where is think Yates is right on is his notion that steroids don't make the champion. The champions who come forward who win contests are the ones who are lucky enough to have super genetics such as long muscle bellies ideal structure etc to work with and the body that can best utilize the effects of the drugs to their benefit with out it killing them. Also important is their willingness to workout extremely hard and to sacrifice everything including their health, their family and their career to meet their goal of big muscles.Just like guys with smart brains like Einstein there are very few of us who have what it takes to be in the class of the elite no matter what drugs we take or how hard we study.
Some people just have superior bodies that can withstand abuse much better than others. Some can take drugs, smoke 3 packs of cigarets a day, drink profusely and eat like crap who will out live us all and then someone might take an aspirin and have a heart attack.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

They're not sacrificing anything. They hold the value of large muscles and development higher than other values.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
They're not sacrificing anything. They hold the value of large muscles and development higher than other values.


==Scott==
That's a matter of opinion. I believe in their near sighted quest for big muscles they sacrifice their future. I know loads of fellows who focused on building big muscles and bodybuilding glory at the expense of pretty much all else and when that didn't happen ( and most of the time it doesn't)they were left with a life in shambles.
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There's genetics and there's genetics....
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
They're not sacrificing anything. They hold the value of large muscles and development higher than other values.

==Scott==
That's a matter of opinion. I believe in their near sighted quest for big muscles they sacrifice their future. I know loads of fellows who focused on building big muscles and bodybuilding glory at the expense of pretty much all else and when that didn't happen ( and most of the time it doesn't)they were left with a life in shambles.


Hindsight is not in question... it's a person's decision at the time. It's like Olympic athletes talking about all they sacrificed to get where they are, as though someone forced them to train for the Olympics. It's like you saying that you wished you didn't do something 10 years ago, BUT AT THE TIME you choose to do that particular thing because it's what YOU wanted to do and YOU believed it was in your best interest. If only we all had a crystal ball.
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Just because something isn't forced labour doesn't mean sacrifices aren't made. We all make sacrifices in our lives. Ultimately we all have to forsake one thing for another from time to time.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Only an idiot would give up a greater value for a lesser value. I don't recall any time I've sacrificed something. People don't understand the definition of the term, similar to the term 'selfishness.' All our actions are selfish in nature, and they need to be in order to survive.
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What Brian said. As much as I wanted even larger muscles during my 25 years of consistent, serious training, I never once considered steroids. Why? Because my general health has always been more important and I was not going to risk it in any way with steroids. Some people don't hold the same values. My view has always been: without health, you have nothing. Take your health away, and you're not going to be able to enjoy anything (including those larger muscles) or have a long enough time to enjoy. I never understood people who live destructive lifestyles whether with obesity, smoking, drug use, steroids, heavy alcohol or whatever else. Health has always been my value above all else - and it would be a sacrifice if I did one of those - which would make zero sense to ME.
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S.M.Punisher

It's a hierarchy of values. Only when giving up one thing in favour of something else that you value less is it a sacrifice (and not admirable in the least).

To borrow Ayn Rand's example: When a woman foregoes buying a hat for herself and spends the money on feeding her children, it is not a sacrifice, since she values the welfare of her children more. It is not 'selfless' in any way to act for the benefit of whom or what you value. That's my most despised word in the English language: 'selfless'.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that in my opinion many people even with the best of genetics make really bad decisions when they predominantly focus on building big muscles with the hopes of being among the top elite at the expense of their health, family,career and future.With the exception of a few like Arnold or Ellington very few who have even won the big ones have much of a life after bodybuilding ( and that's short lived) unless you call running some crummy gym, selling protein powders or clothing lines a bright future.
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The Ryan And crew always have to over intellectualize everything. Life is full of sacrifices and trade off's whether we like it or not. If you choose to interpret it differently it makes little difference in the end.
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S.M.Punisher

Dan_The_man wrote:
The Ryan And crew always have to over intellectualize everything. Life is full of sacrifices and trade off's whether we like it or not. If you choose to interpret it differently it makes little difference in the end.


Some people call it over-intellectualizing, others call it being rational.

Life is full of trade-offs, yes; sacrifices, I would hope not. It makes a big difference to the psyche of a culture when the media tries to pass off and promote everything as sacrifice and selflessness. The end result (or close to it) is the abominations inhabiting the Whitehouse and the Vatican.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

There is no other way to explain a sacrifice vs. being selfish. To give up a greater value for a lesser value is a sacrifice (if not, then explain what a sacrifice is), whereas keeping or acquiring a greater value is being selfish (and is required for self preservation). I'm making this very clear, whereas no one has been clear to the contrary.
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I would say a sacrifice is almost always giving up a lesser value for a greater one rather than the other way around.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Dan_The_man wrote:
I would say a sacrifice is almost always giving up a lesser value for a greater one rather than the other way around.


So, giving up $5 for $10 is a sacrifice? So, killing a fly rather than your child is a sacrifice? Do you understand what a value is? Does it make sense that having the higher value while losing the lesser value is a sacrifice? OK, I'm out of here... this is nothing short of retarded. I do not wish to sacrifice my time for this dribble.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian Johnston wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
I would say a sacrifice is almost always giving up a lesser value for a greater one rather than the other way around.

So, giving up $5 for $10 is a sacrifice? So, killing a fly rather than your child is a sacrifice? Do you understand what a value is? Does it make sense that having the higher value while losing the lesser value is a sacrifice? OK, I'm out of here... this is nothing short of retarded. I do not wish to sacrifice my time for this dribble.


==Scott==
What is retarded and drivel or dribble as you call it is these threads where you or others go on fussing about a definition of something and the point of the post, thread or what someone is trying to say gets lost.Maybe you should get a job with Websters.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Coming from the King of Pointless Posts, why not ignore it? I understand you and others don't even comprehend the concept of the word 'definition,' and so when you're called on it and proven wrong you have to yammer bullshit about how we're fixated on definitions. I guess in grade school you could call an apple an orange and feel good about yourself with a gold star on your homework.
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Brian Johnston wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
I would say a sacrifice is almost always giving up a lesser value for a greater one rather than the other way around.

So, giving up $5 for $10 is a sacrifice? So, killing a fly rather than your child is a sacrifice? Do you understand what a value is? Does it make sense that having the higher value while losing the lesser value is a sacrifice? OK, I'm out of here... this is nothing short of retarded. I do not wish to sacrifice my time for this dribble.


You've taken things out of context here to suit your own world view, but to simplify, in actual fact it is depending on your context. If you're a Christian the Earth represents the $5 and Heaven is infinitely more than $10. How does this not make sense?

A basic story the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve can have what they want anything they like all they have to do is not eat from the forbidden tree. This represents the $5 the lesser value. They already have the higher value but they give in to temptation. I would put it to anyone that most of the time we don't realise that actually to improve our quality of lives we only need to make 'small' sacrifices.


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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

How is GAINING something a sacrifice? Forget heaven and hell for a seconds, since we're on earth. Explain how giving up a lesser value for a greater value is a sacrifice. Give ONE example that represents life on earth... reality?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

By the way, eating the apple is a smaller value than living in the Garden of Eden, right? Therefore, they chose a lesser value and gave up the higher value, right? That is a sacrifice, since they gave up something bigger for something so small. But they were not forced to do so... they chose to do so. Does that not make them idiots? It certainly does not make them smart! Therefore, sacrificing is STUPID!

Regardless of fictitious people in a fictitious garden that apparently existed only a few thousand years ago (although there is evidence of humans long before that story apparently took place), let's get back to YOUR life. Name something you sacrificed this past week, or month, or year... how about the last decade. Give a clear example of what you gave up and why... what value did you give up in exchange for what value?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Dan_The_man wrote:
If you're a Christian the Earth represents the $5 and Heaven is infinitely more than $10. How does this not make sense?


What is being sacrificed? You're going to Heaven, right? You still get to live on Earth, but you're not supposed to kill someone, or steal, etc. Heck. as an atheist I don't do those things anyway... I don't need a promise of going to Heaven since I have values and ethics that guide me as opposed to some guy up on the sky threatening me with horrible things.

And so, what is being sacrificed by comparing earth and heaven? Nothing. You get the best of both worlds. And so, no... it's not clear, but then again, it's as clear as anything in the Bible.
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