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hit4me

Florida, USA

markusreinhardt wrote:
To sum it up. I am getting ready to compete in the LV classic physique division - November 5th - I had some issues of drinking heavy and using drugs (not steroids) - been clean and ready to roll - we all have our demons - question is not who is going to let me..but is who is going to stop me?

The whole thing about steroids is that EVERYONE is using them...even the bikini boys - I was natural for the most part of my career..if u guys google "the truth,markus reinhardt" on u tube u will get a honest reply to what I did and who I am..which is what most BB's fail to be able to do.


MR
ps...and I been busy touring the world and keeping the legacy alive.



glad to see you are back, hope you got those demons under control
i have your training cd's and i follow you on youtube...learn a lot from you
do you still train with the 3x
/week split routine or have you changed from that routine
thanks for keeping mentzers legacy going, he was one of a kind
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

spud wrote:
Don't people like Markus claim they are natural because steroids are illegal?

That said, I can still imagine some naive people who are new to the game may fall prey to a sales pitch that revolves around him being natural just like them and can achieve the gains that he's achieved with all his years of hard work etc.


I think you've stumbled on part of it,I think the other big part is they know the public at large,not necessarily the public that goes to shows but even alot of them, looks down on steroid users as cheaters who couldn't hack it without the drugs.
So they are,like any drug addict,ashamed and feel guilty.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

hit4me wrote:
Scott, don't worry my feelings are not hurt.....Markus can defend himself if he wants to. just wanted to show a little support for HIT, it seems some of the posts on here are anti-hit, which I do not understand because isn't that what Darden writes about?


A lot of the posts on this site definitely ARE anti-HIT because some people think they've been directed by god or Mohammed that they are put on earth in order to try to ruin things for other people.
Like going to a HIT site and denigrating it every which way from Sunday with particular emphasis on insulting Arthur Jones which they wouldn't dare to do if he were still alive.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

AShortt wrote:
I thought is was decent of Markus to get honest.

Regards,
Andrew


Yup, if I remember correctly most guys don't " come out " until they're long ago retired and are not endorsing anymore.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
Before I got into the clusters and variations of my current workouts, I did some 'Best of Both Worlds' training that helped me transition from my HIT regimen.

The basic formula here would be a compound movement for 3 sets of 3-4 or 2 sets of 5-7. The last set would be almost to failure, with regular weight increases until I hit failure. These were not powerlifting sets; I was resting maybe 30-45 seconds between each one.

After the heavier exercise, I'd move quickly to a more iso exercise for a set or 2 of 12-20 reps.
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To go back to WORKOUT 2 from the last post, let me clarify that I feel that Chest and Delts and Back are very interrelated, especially the part about Delts being involved in most Chest and Back work.

Thus, you need to be careful so you don't overtax them.

I like to think in terms of balance, where a movement in one direction requires an opposing movement, usually in the same workout.

Bench > Horizontal Rows
Pulldowns > Overhead Press
Angle PDs (Hammer High Rows) > Incline Press
High Pulls or Haney Shrugs > Dips
Lateral Raises > Pec Cable Crunches
Pec Flyes > Rear Delt Flyes

I often alternate between Horizontal Plane movements one workout, and Vertical Plane movements the next workout (#2).
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I do upper arms the same way. I like to mix stretch-emphasis exercise with contraction-emphasis ones.

Forearm extensor and brachiradialis work is always done with biceps; forearm flexor work may be on arm day or done in Workout 2 after back work.


If I did that much exercise I would shrink like a salted slug and I'd be as weak as 60s pot.
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Markus I find it difficult to believe you were drug free when you did that video with Mentzer. Looks more like you were doing steroids but not GH. The truth is important. Individuals who aren't trying to be promote anything or themselves don't have that responsibility. People don't get that massive and defined naturally - especially not training once every 8 days as said in the video. Nor do naturals get so massively pumped yet fail to lift a whole weight stack. It's like Brock Lesnar saying he's natural these people have a responsibility. For me it's about the truth no problems if someone does, but it helps youngsters not kid themselves.

The worst part about it is. You're spreading the word of a person's legacy that for me turned out to be a complete fraud on so many levels. I was about 17/18 when I bought a copy of that DVD and I paid top whack for it. Enough to take a girl out for meal and sill have some change. Now it's available free on youtube. Surprise.

What did I get for it? An uninspiring Mike Menzter and even more so Ray. I was gobsmacked. I lived a while thinking I was training too much it took a lot for me to admit I was training far too little. I looked up to Mentzer and bought his books, but a lot of it conjecture and patronising hocus pocus. Remember wrap your thumb around the bar...how thick did they think people are?

The worst part about it was I believed in it all it for a wasted period.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
If I did that much exercise I would shrink like a salted slug and I'd be as weak as 60s pot.


A. You're stuck in the 70s HIT Paradigm

B. If you read carefully, I was only talking about 10-12 sets per workout.

The mighty Casey did 10-14 sets HIT, I'm only talking about hitting failure on maybe 5 or so out of 10-12 sets, if even. You really can't handle that?!

If you'd shrink that much on 10-12 sets, then I'd probably blame $#!+ conditioning more than anything else.
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Lioncourt

Dan_The_man wrote:
Markus I find it difficult to believe you were drug free when you did that video with Mentzer. Looks more like you were doing steroids but not GH. The truth is important. Individuals who aren't trying to be promote anything or themselves don't have that responsibility. People don't get that massive and defined naturally - especially not training once every 8 days as said in the video. Nor do naturals get so massively pumped yet fail to lift a whole weight stack. It's like Brock Lesnar saying he's natural these people have a responsibility. For me it's about the truth no problems if someone does, but it helps youngsters not kid themselves.

The worst part about it is. You're spreading the word of a person's legacy that for me turned out to be a complete fraud on so many levels. I was about 17/18 when I bought a copy of that DVD and I paid top whack for it. Enough to take a girl out for meal and sill have some change. Now it's available free on youtube. Surprise.

What did I get for it? An uninspiring Mike Menzter and even more so Ray. I was gobsmacked. I lived a while thinking I was training too much it took a lot for me to admit I was training far too little. I looked up to Mentzer and bought his books, but a lot of it conjecture and patronising hocus pocus. Remember wrap your thumb around the bar...how thick did they think people are?

The worst part about it was I believed in it all it for a wasted period.


Agreed on all points from me as well. Although I'm glad I never had to buy it. It was almost comical how bad Markus was at faking how he felt. The grunts and all was pretty bad. I seem to recall him practically hitting failure on some of his warmup sets as well. The video also really needed to be filmed in a less than ideal HIT gym. How many of us have access to combo pullover/pulldown or leg extension/press machines?

I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.
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Bastion

Dan_The_man wrote:


The worst part about it is. You're spreading the word of a person's legacy that for me turned out to be a complete fraud on so many levels.

What did I get for it? An uninspiring Mike Menzter and even more so Ray. I was gobsmacked. I lived a while thinking I was training too much it took a lot for me to admit I was training far too little. I looked up to Mentzer and bought his books, but a lot of it conjecture and patronising hocus pocus. Remember wrap your thumb around the bar...how thick did they think people are?

The worst part about it was I believed in it all it for a wasted period. [/quote

Great post. I can totally relate. I can't blame Mentzer or Heavy duty for the fact that I stuck with it for too long and was blinded by it so badly that I ignored other (better) training methods. It was his writing style and sort of arrogance that made it out to seem like Heavy duty is the be all end all only way.
Heavy duty certainly does work. And so do countless other methods. Anything we haven't done before, or for a period of time will produce results.
Not to bash Mentzer or anyone. But I'd have to say that Gordon Lavelle"s "Training for mass" second edition is by far the best book on Hit training that I know of.

The whole "wrap your thumb around the bar " thing was pretty bad. 2 washed up wrecks trying to cash in on something they once were.

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HeavyHitter32

Lioncourt wrote:


I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.


What do your routines look like today?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Lioncourt wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
Markus I find it difficult to believe you were drug free when you did that video with Mentzer. Looks more like you were doing steroids but not GH. The truth is important. Individuals who aren't trying to be promote anything or themselves don't have that responsibility. People don't get that massive and defined naturally - especially not training once every 8 days as said in the video. Nor do naturals get so massively pumped yet fail to lift a whole weight stack. It's like Brock Lesnar saying he's natural these people have a responsibility. For me it's about the truth no problems if someone does, but it helps youngsters not kid themselves.

The worst part about it is. You're spreading the word of a person's legacy that for me turned out to be a complete fraud on so many levels. I was about 17/18 when I bought a copy of that DVD and I paid top whack for it. Enough to take a girl out for meal and sill have some change. Now it's available free on youtube. Surprise.

What did I get for it? An uninspiring Mike Menzter and even more so Ray. I was gobsmacked. I lived a while thinking I was training too much it took a lot for me to admit I was training far too little. I looked up to Mentzer and bought his books, but a lot of it conjecture and patronising hocus pocus. Remember wrap your thumb around the bar...how thick did they think people are?

The worst part about it was I believed in it all it for a wasted period.

Agreed on all points from me as well. Although I'm glad I never had to buy it. It was almost comical how bad Markus was at faking how he felt. The grunts and all was pretty bad. I seem to recall him practically hitting failure on some of his warmup sets as well. The video also really needed to be filmed in a less than ideal HIT gym. How many of us have access to combo pullover/pulldown or leg extension/press machines?

I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.


all i can say is that i learned a lot on the topic of HIT from mentzer, jones, lavelle, reinhardt and viator and others....i also learned what works for my body and my goals, not just blindly following someone elses routine

i also did not have any hopes of being a prefessional bodybuilder either
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Lioncourt

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:


I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.

What do your routines look like today?


Just a basic upper/lower 2x a week routine. About 6-7 sets for most body parts and 2-3 for delts & arms each session. Something like 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps of bench and 2-3 sets of 10-12 reps of incline bench on an upper workout day. I switch the order on my next upper body day. I don't aim for failure but it might happen on the last set of an exercise after I am fatigued enough. Always aiming for progression each session by adding weight or reps and regular deloads every 6-8 weeks as my body needs it.

Nothing nearly as complicated as j-reps, zones, or worrying about negative accentuated. Go in, lift stuff, aim for progression, and repeat.
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Nwlifter

Markus,

Hey if your still watching this thread, here's my take and questions if you have a minute...

Drugs or not, training is all about stimulation. So to me, if MM routines did in fact stimulate growth in you as well as other approaches did for other people, then we cannot say 'it cant work', it must be capable of stimulating growth to a high degree.

Questions:
OK, so you were drug free when you trained with Mike you said?

What about before that, what was your pre-Mike training and drug use? You looked pretty darned built even at the start of that video with Mike.

And drugs or not, what routine did you see the most growth from?

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Nwlifter wrote:
Markus,

And drugs or not, what routine did you see the most growth from?



This question is immediately null and void. I've trained at gyms around guys who openly juice. Everything becomes drastically different from a natural trainee. I've said it before and will say it again these sort of questions when answered send youngsters off in the wrong direction. I really don't know why people continue to ask others for best routines.
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HeavyHitter32

Lioncourt wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:


I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.

What do your routines look like today?

Just a basic upper/lower 2x a week routine. About 6-7 sets for most body parts and 2-3 for delts & arms each session. Something like 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps of bench and 2-3 sets of 10-12 reps of incline bench on an upper workout day. I switch the order on my next upper body day. I don't aim for failure but it might happen on the last set of an exercise after I am fatigued enough. Always aiming for progression each session by adding weight or reps and regular deloads every 6-8 weeks as my body needs it.

Nothing nearly as complicated as j-reps, zones, or worrying about negative accentuated. Go in, lift stuff, aim for progression, and repeat.


I've done something similar before actually. Do you find it hard to add weight/reps on so many sets?
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Turpin

Mike Mentzer HIT ( behind the scenes )

part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=OdAfYJBy94w

Part 2.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=-e7hO1T4Ozo

Saddest ... part 3.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=1dzGjHc0IEY

part 4.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=As_gzgvBq8A

part 5.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=28iY1vCeJ1M

T.
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Nwlifter

no. I have reasons for asking, juice or not, stimulation is stimulation. What the body does with that stimulation is drug related, not the stimulus itself.

So un-void, un-null, still wanna know.




Dan_The_man wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
Markus,

And drugs or not, what routine did you see the most growth from?



This question is immediately null and void. I've trained at gyms around guys who openly juice. Everything becomes drastically different from a natural trainee. I've said it before and will say it again these sort of questions when answered send youngsters off in the wrong direction. I really don't know why people continue to ask others for best routines.


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I've watched it all. It's more entertaining than the training part but apart from the odd sentence it's mostly drool.

He's wrong that Scandinavian people tolerate next to zero sunlight haha what a joke. There's more to it than just drawing a line to whats furthest from the equator. It's nowhere near that straightforward. You can get a tan with a clear sky and it varies with lifestyle choices. People with Celtic ancestory probably have the least tolerance to sunlight, but is this really ancestory or also to do with the areas where Celts were known to settle? The genetic card is always overly simplified.

...'gonna be the best exercise video tape of all time...'!!!
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Nwlifter wrote:
no. I have reasons for asking, juice or not, stimulation is stimulation. What the body does with that stimulation is drug related, not the stimulus itself.

So un-void, un-null, still wanna know.



Nevermind the fact steroids allow users to train harder, faster, longer and recover more quickly. Re-void and send to the local skip.

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Bastion

Dan_The_man wrote:
I've watched it all. It's more entertaining than the training part but apart from the odd sentence it's mostly drool.

He's wrong that Scandinavian people tolerate next to zero sunlight haha what a joke.

...'gonna be the best exercise video tape of all time...'!!!


It's the same as always comparing 1 set to doing 20 sets. It was as if Mike believed that anyone not using his system was training 6 days a week 20 sets per bodypart. He never let go of that analogy.
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Bastion

Markus. I watched the workouts that you put Hide Yamagushi (spelling ) through. I thought you did a great job with training him. What was his reasoning for not sticking with Heavy duty?. It was just a week or so later that I saw him training under Charles Glass at gold's in Venice...
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Nwlifter

Exactly, drugs allow one to surive higher volume and benefit from it, so IMO, if a person can gain as well with HIT while on drugs, as one can with higher volume, while on drugs, , we can factor out the drug part and are left with the data that the training stimulus was simular enough to induce that level of growth.


Dan_The_man wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
no. I have reasons for asking, juice or not, stimulation is stimulation. What the body does with that stimulation is drug related, not the stimulus itself.

So un-void, un-null, still wanna know.



Nevermind the fact steroids allow users to train harder, faster, longer and recover more quickly. Re-void and send to the local skip.



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Lioncourt

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:


I wasted years of valuable training trying to make HIT work because I believed in it. Thankfully not any more.

What do your routines look like today?

Just a basic upper/lower 2x a week routine. About 6-7 sets for most body parts and 2-3 for delts & arms each session. Something like 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps of bench and 2-3 sets of 10-12 reps of incline bench on an upper workout day. I switch the order on my next upper body day. I don't aim for failure but it might happen on the last set of an exercise after I am fatigued enough. Always aiming for progression each session by adding weight or reps and regular deloads every 6-8 weeks as my body needs it.

Nothing nearly as complicated as j-reps, zones, or worrying about negative accentuated. Go in, lift stuff, aim for progression, and repeat.

I've done something similar before actually. Do you find it hard to add weight/reps on so many sets?


Not really, rarely a week goes by that I don't add at least 2.5-5 lbs to my lifts or a couple of reps if its with DBs. My current deadlift is 465 for 6 reps. So I struggle to progress with it weekly without an injury. I have moved it to more of a monthly progression cycle.

I don't consider my routine to be that high volume at all. I only workout total for about 6-7 hours a week. I have friends that want to workout with me, but they start sticking in workouts outside of the 4 days and aren't able to progress as well because they aren't recovering.

The newest study by Brad Schoenfeld is showing a clear dose response relationship to volume and hypertrophy. Optimal is looking to be 10+ sets a week per bodypart for growth. I am right inline with that from my routine that was based on Wernbom's meta-analysis on optimal reps per week.

http://www.tandfonline.com/...20#.V47iN45tM7A

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/17326698

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Bastion

Turpin wrote:
Mike Mentzer HIT ( behind the scenes )

part 1.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=OdAfYJBy94w

Part 2.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=-e7hO1T4Ozo

Saddest ... part 3.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=1dzGjHc0IEY

part 4.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=As_gzgvBq8A

part 5.
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=28iY1vCeJ1M

T.


I do recall Joanne Sharkey saying that this video would have most likely never been released had Mike not passed and Val Segal released it without permission, or something to that affect.
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spud

Bastion wrote:
It's the same as always comparing 1 set to doing 20 sets. It was as if Mike believed that anyone not using his system was training 6 days a week 20 sets per bodypart. He never let go of that analogy.


This is one of the reasons that I went off HIT. There always seems to be this straw man who trains on a daily basis for a minimum of 3 hours using horrendous form and nothing in between.

The reality is that there is an entire spectrum of training volume and frequency, and a lot of it works, not just 8 sets of SSTF twice a week on machines.

Look at Turpin (sorry Turpin you're the only example I have that we all know) his training volume on his exercises is pretty high.

But then the overall number of exercises and overall training frequency is perfectly reasonable and so it brings his overall training demands back into the realm of useful, productive and sane.
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