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ATP 4 Vitality

Average Al wrote:
i don't disagree. But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here? SS fans are typically busy, over 40 guys who just want to stay in shape and not get hurt. That JT can look so good on that kind of routine is interesting. But he is an outlier.


Question ... "But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here?" None....perhaps this says a lot about HIT???? You will have to be the judge here.

"Over 40 guys" in particular need aerobic conditioning...in regards to heart health and vascular heath. Anaerobic conditioning will not get the job done. All health care providers should know this well....American Heart Association.
Of all the HIT authors, only Dr. Ellington Darden recommends daily 30 minute walks. Go figure!
As regards JT...I do not know him at all...other than his posts. Is he not a physical therapist? Provide Rehab work? If so, he knows the value of aerobic work. As regards tattoos, why put a bumper sticker on a Bentley (your body)?
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indexit

Hi,

Sorry for any confusion I am not Joshua and I am not from Ohio.

I have been talking with Joshua a lot the last couple of weeks about a new project that he is working on. I have seen a few videos of what he is up to and his project looks pretty promising. He has been working on his new project for at least a few years now from what I remember/understand.

Hopefully, he will let me link a few videos soon and post some pictures.

Joshua certainly is not done, over with or in decline and so on. He may just be getting going....

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Average Al wrote:
i don't disagree. But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here? SS fans are typically busy, over 40 guys who just want to stay in shape and not get hurt. That JT can look so good on that kind of routine is interesting. But he is an outlier.


Question ... "But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here?" None....perhaps this says a lot about HIT???? You will have to be the judge here.

"Over 40 guys" in particular need aerobic conditioning...in regards to heart health and vascular heath. Anaerobic conditioning will not get the job done. All health care providers should know this well....American Heart Association.
Of all the HIT authors, only Dr. Ellington Darden recommends daily 30 minute walks. Go figure!
As regards JT...I do not know him at all...other than his posts. Is he not a physical therapist? Provide Rehab work? If so, he knows the value of aerobic work. As regards tattoos, why put a bumper sticker on a Bentley (your body)?


---Scott---
I don't think you'll find real Olympic or professional caliber athletes posting on any forum. They don't have the time or desire to spend arguing with the type of people who come on them. Face it, most of us here are wanna be bodybuilders and have little to offer a guy like a Casey Viator or someone similar who has gained great size.













































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HeavyHitter32

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Average Al wrote:
i don't disagree. But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here? SS fans are typically busy, over 40 guys who just want to stay in shape and not get hurt. That JT can look so good on that kind of routine is interesting. But he is an outlier.


Question ... "But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here?" None....perhaps this says a lot about HIT???? You will have to be the judge here.

"Over 40 guys" in particular need aerobic conditioning...in regards to heart health and vascular heath. Anaerobic conditioning will not get the job done. All health care providers should know this well....American Heart Association.
Of all the HIT authors, only Dr. Ellington Darden recommends daily 30 minute walks. Go figure!
As regards JT...I do not know him at all...other than his posts. Is he not a physical therapist? Provide Rehab work? If so, he knows the value of aerobic work. As regards tattoos, why put a bumper sticker on a Bentley (your body)?




This has got to be "marcph".
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ATP 4 Vitality


entsminger wrote:
---Scott---
I don't think you'll find real Olympic or professional caliber athletes posting on any forum. They don't have the time or desire to spend arguing with the type of people who come on them. Face it, most of us here are wanna be bodybuilders and have little to offer a guy like a Casey Viator or someone similar who has gained great size.


I certainly do not want to speak for all, but those types of trainees might listen if the information was useful.....and truthful. But with articles entitled "Aerobics are Dead", why would anyone be attracted to high intensity training information? Powerlifters already know what works....ditto Olympic lifters. HIT has the same OLD tired untrue rhetoric for the last 50 years. I'm not the bad guy telling everyone what is wrong here..... for I've moved on. Hard training works, but please tell everyone where is the science and hard evidence....then I might listen. Getting healthy and strong requires more effort than a few hard minutes of work weekly, no matter what the intensity.

Above all else, get useful true training information for average people....build it...they will come!

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Average Al

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

I'm not the bad guy telling everyone what is wrong here.....



Then what was the point of your post?

There was a discussion about Josh Trentine's impressive physique, and how he had achieved it. You seem to want to turn it into a referendum on the flaws of HIT, especially when it comes to aerobic training and athletic conditioning. Who else in the thread mentioned either of those things?

You are free to comment as you want, of course. But you aren't acting like you've moved on. It seems like you still have an axe to grind.



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ATP 4 Vitality

Average Al wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

I'm not the bad guy telling everyone what is wrong here.....


Then what was the point of your post?



The thread was entitled "Trentine"
The question under the caption was
"Does anyone know whether Josh Trentine is still claiming natural status?"

Therefore, since many natural bodybuilders who are successful have extensive aerobic training regimens, discussing aerobics is information to ascertain whether someone is indeed natural. A lack of an aerobic training regimen could possibly indicate a reliance of other training methodologies. Furthermore, Trentine has an article on his site (not my site) entitled "Aerobics Is Dead," as once again discussing aerobics is/was related to the initial topic.

Whether you like this line of discussion is "your" choice. I post my thoughts as I see the relationship to the initial subject. We all have different perspectives. FYI, my axe is sharp.
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HD2

indexit wrote:
Hi,

Sorry for any confusion I am not Joshua and I am not from Ohio.

I have been talking with Joshua a lot the last couple of weeks about a new project that he is working on. I have seen a few videos of what he is up to and his project looks pretty promising. He has been working on his new project for at least a few years now from what I remember/understand.

Hopefully, he will let me link a few videos soon and post some pictures.

Joshua certainly is not done, over with or in decline and so on. He may just be getting going....




I know who you are I see you sharing your projects with Josh on Facebook. Can you elaborate on the projects and any insight with regards to how Josh has trained in more recent years.
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indexit

HD2 wrote:
I know who you are I see you sharing your projects with Josh on Facebook. Can you elaborate on the projects and any insight with regards to how Josh has trained in more recent years.


Hi HD2,

When I have spoken with Joshua we haven't discussed what he does with his overall personal exercise program (frequency, exercise order and so on).

Obviously, it would be best if he would respond to that type of question but he is banned from posting on this web site.

I have discussed with Joshua the exercise feedback software I have been working on for dynamic exercise and time static exercise. The concept for the dynamic exercise software came from Joshua. I am hoping to deploy on a few of the machines he has at his studio early this year and at another studio.

If you are on Joshua's Facebook maybe you should ask him there the specifics of his exercise program. I can ask him also and then post his response for him here, if he has one.


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indexit

HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"
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Nwlifter

indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"
j

Well that's a lot of help. I hate when people just won't fricken answer a simple question. Makes all this seem quite fishy to me.



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indexit

Nwlifter wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"j

Well that's a lot of help. I hate when people just won't fricken answer a simple question. Makes all this seem quite fishy to me.


From Joshua : I was banned from the site years ago when the forum was overun with RenEx posts. Under these circumstances it's impossible for Indexit, or anyone else to extract a point from a conversation, completely out of context, and try to answer a question for me. I am still very interested in HIT and I believe special equipment and protocol make all the difference in the world when Training this way, I believe I have some interesting insights into this topic. The best I can do is check this site occasionally and see if I can answer questions, as articles, on my page... if there is any real interest. Thanks. - Joshua-

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HD2

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Average Al wrote:
i don't disagree. But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here? SS fans are typically busy, over 40 guys who just want to stay in shape and not get hurt. That JT can look so good on that kind of routine is interesting. But he is an outlier.


Question ... "But how many aspiring Olympic athletes are posting here?" None....perhaps this says a lot about HIT???? You will have to be the judge here.

"Over 40 guys" in particular need aerobic conditioning...in regards to heart health and vascular heath. Anaerobic conditioning will not get the job done. All health care providers should know this well....American Heart Association.
Of all the HIT authors, only Dr. Ellington Darden recommends daily 30 minute walks. Go figure!
As regards JT...I do not know him at all...other than his posts. Is he not a physical therapist? Provide Rehab work? If so, he knows the value of aerobic work. As regards tattoos, why put a bumper sticker on a Bentley (your body)?


Everyone has their own individual expression it wouldn't be very interesting if we all were the same.
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HD2

indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"


I'm sorry I don't understand what this means.
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HD2

indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"


Primary factors? Does this mean diet or something?
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Average Al

HD2 wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"

Primary factors? Does this mean diet or something?


In terms of bodybuilding, you can make the case that genetics (ability to grow muscle, body structure, muscle belly length, etc) is the primary factor. After that: "supplements" (yes/no on anabolic steroids), then sleep, recovery, diet, and the nature of the exercise program, in no particular order.

Who knows what Josh meant. He probably wants to keep an aura of mystery around anything new that he does.
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ATP 4 Vitality

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Of all the HIT authors, only Dr. Ellington Darden recommends daily 30 minute walks.


Pardon my error....but Clarence Bass, Pete Sisco, and
Richard A. Winett Ph. D. have been writing about aerobic conditioning for years.
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pharaoh1063

HD2 wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"

I'm sorry I don't understand what this means.


I think I remember what he means from his timed on this forum.

These secondary and tertiary factors that he refers to are the common questions that most people ask when they are trying to create a program, which he views as not the first things one should ask. We invariably ask, "How many sets should I do?" This, to him, is a secondary consideration as is the question, "How many reps should I do?" and "Should I add 5 pounds to the bar every 3 weeks or 4 weeks?"

To him, if I can remember correctly, (don't hold me to an exact representation of his ideas since it's been years since he's been here) the most important element is how well one is stimulating muscle fiber recruitment without outroading and the ability to assess progress by develop internal queues as to whether one is creating greater stress over time as opposed to just trying to add more weight to the bar, thereby risking form breakdown which can cause less stress to be delivered to the muscle.

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HeavyHitter32

pharaoh1063 wrote:
HD2 wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"

I'm sorry I don't understand what this means.

I think I remember what he means from his timed on this forum.

These secondary and tertiary factors that he refers to are the common questions that most people ask when they are trying to create a program, which he views as not the first things one should ask. We invariably ask, "How many sets should I do?" This, to him, is a secondary consideration as is the question, "How many reps should I do?" and "Should I add 5 pounds to the bar every 3 weeks or 4 weeks?"

To him, if I can remember correctly, (don't hold me to an exact representation of his ideas since it's been years since he's been here) the most important element is how well one is stimulating muscle fiber recruitment without outroading and the ability to assess progress by develop internal queues as to whether one is creating greater stress over time as opposed to just trying to add more weight to the bar, thereby risking form breakdown which can cause less stress to be delivered to the muscle.



And those internal queues are indeed important.
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Nwlifter

All those other factors are very important, maybe even moreso then the exact routine, but, it still isn't an answer to the question of what routine he's following, sometimes people are just curious and want to know if a routine like that (like were thinking he's doing) even can work, even if all the other factors are spot on.

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HD2

indexit wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"j

Well that's a lot of help. I hate when people just won't fricken answer a simple question. Makes all this seem quite fishy to me.


From Joshua : I was banned from the site years ago when the forum was overun with RenEx posts. Under these circumstances it's impossible for Indexit, or anyone else to extract a point from a conversation, completely out of context, and try to answer a question for me. I am still very interested in HIT and I believe special equipment and protocol make all the difference in the world when Training this way, I believe I have some interesting insights into this topic. The best I can do is check this site occasionally and see if I can answer questions, as articles, on my page... if there is any real interest. Thanks. - Joshua-




How does one get banned here?
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HD2

pharaoh1063 wrote:
HD2 wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"

I'm sorry I don't understand what this means.

I think I remember what he means from his timed on this forum.

These secondary and tertiary factors that he refers to are the common questions that most people ask when they are trying to create a program, which he views as not the first things one should ask. We invariably ask, "How many sets should I do?" This, to him, is a secondary consideration as is the question, "How many reps should I do?" and "Should I add 5 pounds to the bar every 3 weeks or 4 weeks?"

To him, if I can remember correctly, (don't hold me to an exact representation of his ideas since it's been years since he's been here) the most important element is how well one is stimulating muscle fiber recruitment without outroading and the ability to assess progress by develop internal queues as to whether one is creating greater stress over time as opposed to just trying to add more weight to the bar, thereby risking form breakdown which can cause less stress to be delivered to the muscle.




This makes sense to me.
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1958

Texas, USA

There was also the eating of raw meat.
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indexit

Average Al wrote:
HD2 wrote:
indexit wrote:
HD2,

I just asked Joshua about his program and he responded by saying --

"People are always interested in all the secondary and tertiary factors but ignore inconvenient primary factors"

Primary factors? Does this mean diet or something?

In terms of bodybuilding, you can make the case that genetics (ability to grow muscle, body structure, muscle belly length, etc) is the primary factor. After that: "supplements" (yes/no on anabolic steroids), then sleep, recovery, diet, and the nature of the exercise program, in no particular order.

Who knows what Josh meant. He probably wants to keep an aura of mystery around anything new that he does.


From Joshua : Our mission statement moving forward is to simplify and enhance effective loading for innate movement patterns.... We can't run from the Physics of Exercise... synergistic movement against a pure load and go from there... The specifics of a program can only be relevant once the quality of load and quality of repetition are addressed.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

"You-ness, Me-ness, One-ness, We-ness..."
Martin Mull: "Sickness."
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