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Crotalus

Nwlifter wrote:
Man I dunno, it looks odd to me too, like 60 inch shoulder girth with an 18 inch waist...


Yeah, Sergio's waist was supposedly 27" in his prime so this one must be 18-20" , LOL

Maybe he had his oblique muscles surgically removed

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

HD2 wrote:
I'm graphic designer, we use Photoshop everyday, that's just a regular picture, it doesn't even have a filter. Do you believe that picture is actually less lean than the old one from his first contest?


Thanks for telling us about your alleged career, Suspicious Guy who just showed-up on the site this week. Whatever your credentials, that waistline is just wrong and highly questionable to impossible unless he's been undergoing corset training.

With the whole picture being suspect, it's hard to tell, but yes I do believe there's less subcutaneous fat in the top picture than the altered current one.
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sonny153

this is 100% photoshopped, if you can't tell that then I have an awesome bridge to sell you.
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HD2

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
HD2 wrote:
So you guys don't believe HIT works for Bodybuilding ?

A leading question that tries to put words in other's mouths is not nice.

Is that your goal....to end all discussion?

Questions like that will do the job quite nicely.


Sorry, the question wasn't very specific, do you believe Josh trains with high volume?
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Nwlifter

One can see some photoshopping, his fingers show the areas of blown pixels from the flash, that have been toned down so to speak by adjust highlight levels, so the photo was 'photoshopped' some at least, which means....
( I used photo programs a LOT with my long term interest in amateur photography)
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S.M.Punisher

To enhance the v-taper, simply hold the phone at the angle as he held it... No Photoshop required!
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holliswood

Is this the same guy from several years back that told the forum how he was going to revolutionize the weight training industry? Yet couldn't explain his methodology, couldn't produce independent research, and other than himself, couldn't provide someone he trained on the equipment other than old men and women?
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StuKE

S.M.Punisher wrote:
To enhance the v-taper, simply hold the phone at the angle as he held it... No Photoshop required!


Absolutely right. Whether planned or unintentional, the angle used has simply distorted the image through foreshortening - objects nearer look bigger - in this case his shoulders etc are nearer ao bigger, the waist further away and so smaller. Whether there s photoshop work too I don't know. To be honest, it is hard to get an undistorted image when taking a selfie like that, though a bit of forward lean will work wonders.

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StuKE

HD2 wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
Man I dunno, it looks odd to me too, like 60 inch shoulder girth with an 18 inch waist...

Those are straight on shots, I can spot Photoshop a mile away, I'm pretty sure that is just how the guy is built, It is weird like a comic book character.

I don't agree, there is some lean and the camera is probably at an angle too. I remember seeing a Lee Priest photo years ago, he looked amazing with a tiny waist, much more impressive than other recent photos. I quickly realised it was the angle.
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Ray200

I taught digital media for a few years at uni and can't spot the Photoshopping. Maybe I'm out of practice.
Looks to me like an attempt to accentuate the v-taper by holding the phone at a particular angle whilst taking account of the lens's barrel distortion. The result is somewhat unreal but the muscle mass is very impressive regardless.
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HD2

StuKE wrote:
S.M.Punisher wrote:
To enhance the v-taper, simply hold the phone at the angle as he held it... No Photoshop required!

Absolutely right. Whether planned or unintentional, the angle used has simply distorted the image through foreshortening - objects nearer look bigger - in this case his shoulders etc are nearer ao bigger, the waist further away and so smaller. Whether there s photoshop work too I don't know. To be honest, it is hard to get an undistorted image when taking a selfie like that, though a bit of forward lean will work wonders.



The camera is clearly tilted in a way that distorts. I would be interested to see if anyone here could replicate this distortion.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Arnold used angles and twisting in his posing routines which made his waist look a lot smaller and the rest of his body bigger, I believe that's one of the reasons he won so many times
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

Trentine's knowledge of resistance exercise is in the top 10 in the USA.
Trentine's physique relative to his frame size is in the top 0.0001%.
Trentine's machines are likely in the top 2 in the World in 2017.
Trentine's strength is also top 0.0001% as witnessed by how easy and focused he handled a stacked super duo-squat

However, as Josh said earlier ... I paraphrase ... "must eliminate outroading". That said as one advances with high focused intensity they must assure no outroading since it will bulljive one into thinking gains are being made when it is skill-building, cheating, etc. And, this is why RenEx stagnates as all dynamic machine programs will .. except for newbies.
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ATP 4 Vitality

HD2 wrote:
Sorry, the question wasn't very specific, do you believe Josh trains with high volume?


I have no knowledge of how Joshua trains on a regular basis. To be honest, some of his training videos have been impressive. On the other hand, I've practically no interest in anyone's training today.

Not wanting to pick a fight, but I've never been impressed with Joshua's knowledge and ideas on training, much unlike Ken Hutchins. He does not convey his thoughts and ideas very well in his writings, and his vocabulary leaves much to be desired. Having said that, I think he loves training like few others today. I wish his love for training would come through in his message. His brand of HIT might then be more palatable.

His viewpoint about aerobic conditioning is 50 years outdated....and just sounds old. Anyone who has done any aerobic conditioning knows this "Trumps" anaerobic conditioning for training stamina. He needs to review his textbooks on the Kreb's cycle and the Electron Transport Chain. ATP is produced in abundance in the ETC all the while using oxygen. Aerobic respiration is way more efficient than anaerobic respiration...as this is in a "nutshell" why Dr. McGuff's global metabolic conditioning is garbage. Aerobic respiration is much more important for conditioning, as anaerobic training must be accompanied with aerobic conditioning to allow very high levels of conditioning.
Now.....I've said it......Body By Science and all the trashing of aerobic conditioning by HIT is simply an uneducated lack of humility.
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Average Al

simon-hecubus wrote:
simon-hecubus wrote:
HD2 wrote:
This is an Interesting picture of Josh at age 21, he is 6 feet tall and 159 pounds at his first contest prior to ever doing HIT.

Lot of potential there! The difference between that and now, could greatly be attributed to "maturity'.


HD2 wrote:
Do you think so? He looks like a runner. I'm 5'8" and much heavier than him when he was 21 and I'm in fairly lean condition and 35 years old.

To have arms that size at that level of leaness is potential.

Your "fairly lean" is 10% more BF, I guarantee it.

...I've only added about 8 or 10 pounds of muscle since 21. I think he's close to 220Lbs that's around 50 to 60Lbs of muscle. I could possibly see that if it was reached through puberty but 21 is full maturity.

In muscle terms, 21 is no where near maturity for most. If he's 50 lbs heavier now, I will guarantee you that half of that is NOT muscle. I have never seen him anywhere near as lean as that pic.

I put 25 lbs of muscle on after age 21, I am consider myself a somewhat hard gainer. For someone with THAT potential to put on 30-40 lbs (the rest is fat BTW), is not out of the question at all.

Do you believe this is a usual case for someone Training HIT for this long and do you know of other examples with this much change?

Again, it's really not THAT much of a change. This is ~160 in contest condition vs. the current 220 in non-contest condition?

In case you're not clear, IF he got the level of leanness displayed in this picture, he would probably weigh around 180-190.


I saw a quote from him in another blog post. He said he was 159 lbs (and 6' 0") at age 21, for his first contest. In 2006, when he got his pro card, and was in contest leaness, he was 183 lbs (and 5' 11"). So he claims in that interview that he gained 24 lbs in 13 years.

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Average Al

If you have a Facebook account, you can look through his Facebook photo album. There are lots of other photos to look at, and compare to the ones posted here

I'd say that the two posted here were chosen because they show off (emphasize) the size of his traps, biceps, and deltoids, and highlight the narrowness if his waist, which are the strong points of his physique. I don't know much about photoshopping, but I suspect you can do a lot with posing, lighting, and camera angles.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

simon-hecubus wrote:
...To have arms that size at that level of leaness is potential.

Your "fairly lean" is 10% more BF, I guarantee it.

In muscle terms, 21 is no where near maturity for most. I put 25 lbs of muscle on after age 21, and I consider myself a somewhat hard gainer. For someone with THAT potential to put on 30-40 lbs (the rest is fat BTW), is not out of the question at all.

The Shill wrote:
Do you believe this is a usual case for someone Training HIT for this long and do you know of other examples with this much change?

Again, it's really not THAT much of a change. This is ~160 in contest condition vs. the current 220 in non-contest condition?

In case you're not clear, IF he got the level of leanness displayed in this picture, he would probably weigh around 180-190.


Average Al wrote:
I saw a quote from him in another blog post. He said he was 159 lbs (and 6' 0") at age 21, for his first contest. In 2006, when he got his pro card, and was in contest leaness, he was 183 lbs (and 5' 11"). So he claims in that interview that he gained 24 lbs in 13 years.


Good detective work, Al. As I said: 180-190 in contest form. Let's say that he's put on a bit more since his pro card, so 190 lean is not out of the question --- especially as we're talking about upper body gains only! ;-)

In any case, it AIN'T the 220 lbs our buddy the Shill would have us believe.
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HD2

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
HD2 wrote:
Sorry, the question wasn't very specific, do you believe Josh trains with high volume?

I have no knowledge of how Joshua trains on a regular basis. To be honest, some of his training videos have been impressive. On the other hand, I've practically no interest in anyone's training today.

Not wanting to pick a fight, but I've never been impressed with Joshua's knowledge and ideas on training, much unlike Ken Hutchins. He does not convey his thoughts and ideas very well in his writings, and his vocabulary leaves much to be desired. Having said that, I think he loves training like few others today. I wish his love for training would come through in his message. His brand of HIT might then be more palatable.

His viewpoint about aerobic conditioning is 50 years outdated....and just sounds old. Anyone who has done any aerobic conditioning knows this "Trumps" anaerobic conditioning for training stamina. He needs to review his textbooks on the Kreb's cycle and the Electron Transport Chain. ATP is produced in abundance in the ETC all the while using oxygen. Aerobic respiration is way more efficient than anaerobic respiration...as this is in a "nutshell" why Dr. McGuff's global metabolic conditioning is garbage. Aerobic respiration is much more important for conditioning, as anaerobic training must be accompanied with aerobic conditioning to allow very high levels of conditioning.
Now.....I've said it......Body By Science and all the trashing of aerobic conditioning by HIT is simply an uneducated lack of humility.


My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.
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ATP 4 Vitality

HD2 wrote:
My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.


Anaerobic conditioning can not drive aerobic respiration well. Equipment is a non-factor. Any program that only teaches anaerobic conditioning has limited value. Joshua's website contains anti-aerobic conditioning articles. Most experts don't agree with Joshua's articles on aerobic conditioning. Current science does not agree with Joshua either.
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HeavyHitter32

HD2 wrote:
My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.


To get the most out of 10/10, you would definitely need that type of equipment.
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HD2

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
HD2 wrote:
My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.

To get the most out of 10/10, you would definitely need that type of equipment.


I think this is true.
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Nwlifter

Very true!
There are also physical arterial and cardiac changes with aerobics that aren't seen with brief heavy strength training.


ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
HD2 wrote:
My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.

Anaerobic conditioning can not drive aerobic respiration well. Equipment is a non-factor. Any program that only teaches anaerobic conditioning has limited value. Joshua's website contains anti-aerobic conditioning articles. Most experts don't agree with Joshua's articles on aerobic conditioning. Current science does not agree with Joshua either.


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HD2

Guys I tried the camera tilt trick every way possible, I just look exactly the same in every picture. 😞
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HD2

Nwlifter wrote:
Very true!
There are also physical arterial and cardiac changes with aerobics that aren't seen with brief heavy strength training.


ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
HD2 wrote:
My understanding of the methods is that they are specific to the equipment they build, it may be that what they teach is only useful with RenEx. I'm not sure of this though.

Anaerobic conditioning can not drive aerobic respiration well. Equipment is a non-factor. Any program that only teaches anaerobic conditioning has limited value. Joshua's website contains anti-aerobic conditioning articles. Most experts don't agree with Joshua's articles on aerobic conditioning. Current science does not agree with Joshua either.



Interesting, what are the different changes?
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PTDaniel

Grant D. wrote:
Trentine's knowledge of resistance exercise is in the top 10 in the USA.
Trentine's physique relative to his frame size is in the top 0.0001%.
Trentine's machines are likely in the top 2 in the World in 2017.
Trentine's strength is also top 0.0001% as witnessed by how easy and focused he handled a stacked super duo-squat

However, as Josh said earlier ... I paraphrase ... "must eliminate outroading". That said as one advances with high focused intensity they must assure no outroading since it will bulljive one into thinking gains are being made when it is skill-building, cheating, etc. And, this is why RenEx stagnates as all dynamic machine programs will .. except for newbies.


Why not use just use before and after body composition measurement and a mirror? Why would you use load moved as the indicator of muscle growth?
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