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acas1959

Yes please! ... what sesquipedalian wanna be moron writes nonsense like this:

Attention all trainees, read all of your tablets and the works of professor Little ?
ALL TRAINEES please understand the concept of progressive revelation as it applies to Exercise Science
I became the strongest player on my college team, the fastest, I am 6'4" 195 pound, sorry no I am 6?2? 275 pounds! can't remember! (I am actually 5"6' in the shape of a pear)

Its neither funny or cute ... go amuse yourself somewhere else, let people exchange fitness information like normal adults would.

Cheers
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

All trainees
Outroading must be avoided as one progresses into larger loads. If outroading exists it will lead to skill acquistion in which the motion is completed cheated gamed shifted worked etcetera. Additionally, outroading shifts the load from primary focus of load into other muscle and brings dynamics into joints as compared to safe static loading transmission.
The above becomes relevant when progress is restored and loads and muscle strength are allowed to increase via today's protocols by Little and Darden ... and as practiced by myself.

All folk who outroad and move quicker than slow ... are relegated to stagnation.

Cheers
Grant
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StuKE

Grant D. wrote:
All trainees
Outroading must be avoided as one progresses into larger loads. If outroading exists it will lead to skill acquistion in which the motion is completed cheated gamed shifted worked etcetera. Additionally, outroading shifts the load from primary focus of load into other muscle and brings dynamics into joints as compared to safe static loading transmission.
The above becomes relevant when progress is restored and loads and muscle strength are allowed to increase via today's protocols by Little and Darden ... and as practiced by myself.

All folk who outroad and move quicker than slow ... are relegated to stagnation.

Cheers
Grant

I get the feeling you are really enjoying all this attention right now. Your posts are at best, barely legible, and I suspect that is exactly how you want them to be. It feels very much like a little game, with you bizarrely assuming what can beat be described as eccentric training guru - from 60 years back or so.
Nobody would want to train like that, or at least I can't think anyone would.Are you going to develop this story at any time, as all good works of fiction needs to keep the reader's interest up. I do think you have a point about many trainees stagnating, I just don't for one minute think you have the answer.

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sirloin

Grant D. wrote:
All trainees
Outroading must be avoided as one progresses into larger loads. If outroading exists it will lead to skill acquistion in which the motion is completed cheated gamed shifted worked etcetera. Additionally, outroading shifts the load from primary focus of load into other muscle and brings dynamics into joints as compared to safe static loading transmission.
The above becomes relevant when progress is restored and loads and muscle strength are allowed to increase via today's protocols by Little and Darden ... and as practiced by myself.

All folk who outroad and move quicker than slow ... are relegated to stagnation.

Cheers
Grant


Ohh, being caught out as a lair must have burnt lol.
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

@struke and all trainees ... young and "old"

Please recall that most trainees have much to gain, and can do so in a very limited time frame. The issue of "training" becomes irrelevant as it no longer consumes one's time, planning, and frustration. In my case I often forget I train at all since it is so very easy to get a "workout" in without it affecting my live's planning. In my case I have no imagery to maintain and am the strongest, most developed, largest, balanced, healthiest that I have ever been, and in my relative and exact comparison to the folk I do see in my gym ... I am still at the top. Also beware of guys who workout in Skorts.

Recall I have mastered all of the progressing protocols starting with Nautilus in the mid/late 70's. In fact I was there for universal, calisthentics, aerobics, apollo, etcetera ... but had the foresight to apply these principles perfectly. In each of the protocols over the last 40 years .. they all were major advances, but had limits in progress (when applied correctly). Today, trainees MUST ...

A) Protect Joints and Health by NOT outroading & eliminating momentum & greatly reducing velocity

B) Allow growth by extending recovery time to allow growth and healing

C) Be sure to apply heavy load intensity directly into muscle or muscle group

D) Reduce session volume as one progresses in size, in load, in strength

Also recall that all gains are relative to an individual as he/she proceeds along their temporal path (aka time). However, some of us (like myself) who are of larger stature can also achieve comparative gains to the general population.

Currently Pro Littles' and Dr. Darden's protocols are what ultra advanced trainees require .. to progress in size in load in strength. The alternatives are stagnation and lookin' like ya don't "workout". Also we cannot give up on muscular gains and accept leanness as a sign of increasing strength. I also would advise that proper gym attire (for men) does NOT include hats and skorts in jest :)

Also recall that extreme system overload will retard or perhaps even regress one's health into injury, disease, illness and aging.

Also recall that loads MUST applied through a gravity circuit!

My offer is still open to any Chicagoland folk who would want a partner workout ...

Cheers in Health Strength and Progress
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sirloin

Grant D. wrote:
@struke and all trainees ... young and "old"

Please recall that most trainees have much to gain, and can do so in a very limited time frame. The issue of "training" becomes irrelevant as it no longer consumes one's time, planning, and frustration. In my case I often forget I train at all since it is so very easy to get a "workout" in without it affecting my live's planning. In my case I have no imagery to maintain and am the strongest, most developed, largest, balanced, healthiest that I have ever been, and in my relative and exact comparison to the folk I do see in my gym ... I am still at the top. Also beware of guys who workout in Skorts.

Recall I have mastered all of the progressing protocols starting with Nautilus in the mid/late 70's. In fact I was there for universal, calisthentics, aerobics, apollo, etcetera ... but had the foresight to apply these principles perfectly. In each of the protocols over the last 40 years .. they all were major advances, but had limits in progress (when applied correctly). Today, trainees MUST ...

A) Protect Joints and Health by NOT outroading & eliminating momentum & greatly reducing velocity

B) Allow growth by extending recovery time to allow growth and healing

C) Be sure to apply heavy load intensity directly into muscle or muscle group

D) Reduce session volume as one progresses in size, in load, in strength

Also recall that all gains are relative to an individual as he/she proceeds along their temporal path (aka time). However, some of us (like myself) who are of larger stature can also achieve comparative gains to the general population.

Currently Pro Littles' and Dr. Darden's protocols are what ultra advanced trainees require .. to progress in size in load in strength. The alternatives are stagnation and lookin' like ya don't "workout". Also we cannot give up on muscular gains and accept leanness as a sign of increasing strength. I also would advise that proper gym attire (for men) does NOT include hats and skorts in jest :)

Also recall that extreme system overload will retard or perhaps even regress one's health into injury, disease, illness and aging.

Also recall that loads MUST applied through a gravity circuit!

My offer is still open to any Chicagoland folk who would want a partner workout ...

Cheers in Health Strength and Progress



Dont forget 2 inches taller Grant. Keep at it, at this rate by next year you'll be playing in the NBA lol.

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S.M.Punisher

Just came here to see if this thread had developed since I quit following it, and lo and behold more of the same utter garbage.

If you're going to disagree with Grant, fine. But I don't recall Grant ever being abusive. If you think he's trolling, don't engage with him. If you think he's wrong, debate him without being abusive.

Either way it would be nice to let the genuinely useful information through, unpolluted with pointless, unfunny banter. How many more pages of the same rehashed "arguments" would that take, I wonder.

Just my opinion and friendly advice.
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holliswood

Indeed.


Hollis
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

Max Pyramid ... a stagnation beater

In my experience as I developed strength and progress via the superb SuperSlow protocol I eventually ran out of weights on machines. As I began to pin 25's then eventually 45's to the machines I continued to make progress but then I stagnated. After months on this protocol and even trying "set extenders" the stagnation did not subside. This went on for over a year. I eventually migrated to low reps and forced heavy loads in a SuperSlow format that Fred Hahn called SloBurn. I would "prematurely" add weight and reduce reps which effectively reduced volume. The results were gains, but soon more stagnation ... even when I increased recovery times ... approaching Mentzer once or twice a month HD and/or consolidation. You see, the missing "kink" was outroading ... which allowed extreme system overload, joint dynamics, and foolin' myself with skill acquisition. What a wonderous blessing when John Little took the next step with his near motionless protocols of Max Pyramid, Done In One, and even his "older" Omega. You see, even with these superb concepts an advanced and progressing trainee will run out of weight and/or require a "partner". Thus I was able to integrate Dr. Dardens 303030 where now (in my case) most machines have plenty of weight.

So ... my progression beyond SuperSlow has been Max Contraction & Omega into Max Pyramid & Done In One with the new 303030 added. However I have ran out of weight on my Triceps Extension machine, but this muscle is rarely required for a separate focused exercise. When Y'all get to my point it will be quite a blessed and fulfilling accomplishment to renew your progress safely, efficiently... and better yet have NO DOUBTS of your success since you can see it in size, experience it in strength, measure it in load ... and be consistently looked-at in gym with bewilderment and inquiries. We(I) are but a few of the stalwarts who understand, apply, and are successful with the wisdom and understanding to progress that the life-changing experts of Dr. Darden and John Little have worked a lifetime to share with us.

In my opinion Dr. Darden's work with 303030 is the result of the stagnation and inabilities that he witnessed in trainees. I also believe that Dr. Darden alternatively bestowed upon us 151515 plus reps since most humans may not have the faith and fortitude to apply 303030 with focus and not squiggling.

Recall I spend less time under load TUL than I ever did, but boy those gravity-circuited loads are EXTREMELY FOCUSED and EXTREMELY HEAVY. I can sit at ANY machine in my gym and stack out in a 2020 rep ... quite an accomplishment, but I am of a larger stature. However, we all are best to focus on our own relative gains to ourselves. Yet, to properly measure progress (via load) one MUST ASSURE NO OUTROADING and PURE FOCUS into the muscle. This can ONLY be accomplished with near zero or zero motion since we are subjected to muscle friction, machine friction, changing machine moment arms ... over space (length) and time (velocity and acceleration).

Cheers in Faith and Health and Maximizing Your (until now) untapped Potential.

Grant
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StuKE

Grant D. wrote:
@struke and all trainees ... young and "old"

Please recall that most trainees have much to gain, and can do so in a very limited time frame. The issue of "training" becomes irrelevant as it no longer consumes one's time, planning, and frustration. In my case I often forget I train at all since it is so very easy to get a "workout" in without it affecting my live's planning. In my case I have no imagery to maintain and am the strongest, most developed, largest, balanced, healthiest that I have ever been, and in my relative and exact comparison to the folk I do see in my gym ... I am still at the top. Also beware of guys who workout in Skorts.

Recall I have mastered all of the progressing protocols starting with Nautilus in the mid/late 70's. In fact I was there for universal, calisthentics, aerobics, apollo, etcetera ... but had the foresight to apply these principles perfectly. In each of the protocols over the last 40 years .. they all were major advances, but had limits in progress (when applied correctly). Today, trainees MUST ...

A) Protect Joints and Health by NOT outroading & eliminating momentum & greatly reducing velocity

B) Allow growth by extending recovery time to allow growth and healing

C) Be sure to apply heavy load intensity directly into muscle or muscle group

D) Reduce session volume as one progresses in size, in load, in strength

Also recall that all gains are relative to an individual as he/she proceeds along their temporal path (aka time). However, some of us (like myself) who are of larger stature can also achieve comparative gains to the general population.

Currently Pro Littles' and Dr. Darden's protocols are what ultra advanced trainees require .. to progress in size in load in strength. The alternatives are stagnation and lookin' like ya don't "workout". Also we cannot give up on muscular gains and accept leanness as a sign of increasing strength. I also would advise that proper gym attire (for men) does NOT include hats and skorts in jest :)

Also recall that extreme system overload will retard or perhaps even regress one's health into injury, disease, illness and aging.

Also recall that loads MUST applied through a gravity circuit!

My offer is still open to any Chicagoland folk who would want a partner workout ...

Cheers in Health Strength and Progress


Credit where credit is due, that, for the most part was pretty clear advice and I agreed with much of it. Not all though.
What do you mean when you talk about a gravity circuit?
Why would outroading be bad for the joints? Do you mean when you are trying to isolate a muscle, but as the set gets harder, you start to enlist other muscles? Is that the general definition of outroading?
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sirloin

S.M.Punisher wrote:
Just came here to see if this thread had developed since I quit following it, and lo and behold more of the same utter garbage.

If you're going to disagree with Grant, fine. But I don't recall Grant ever being abusive. If you think he's trolling, don't engage with him. If you think he's wrong, debate him without being abusive.

Either way it would be nice to let the genuinely useful information through, unpolluted with pointless, unfunny banter. How many more pages of the same rehashed "arguments" would that take, I wonder.

Just my opinion and friendly advice.


Theres a few ways to deal with trolls, one is not to engage, the other is to troll the troll. If there was any kind of proper moderation on this site it wouldnt have got to this stage. And yes, hes been abusive to others, and pissed on other peoples threads and logs.
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HeavyHitter32

S.M.Punisher wrote:

If you're going to disagree with Grant, fine. But I don't recall Grant ever being abusive. If you think he's trolling, don't engage with him. If you think he's wrong, debate him without being abusive.



Grant spent plenty of time attacking Turpin of all people at one point on this site.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

S.M.Punisher wrote:
Just came here to see if this thread had developed since I quit following it, and lo and behold more of the same utter garbage.

If you're going to disagree with Grant, fine. But I don't recall Grant ever being abusive. If you think he's trolling, don't engage with him. If you think he's wrong, debate him without being abusive.

Either way it would be nice to let the genuinely useful information through, unpolluted with pointless, unfunny banter. How many more pages of the same rehashed "arguments" would that take, I wonder.

Just my opinion and friendly advice.

---Scott---
He generally doesn't come back to discuss a point someone makes, just keeps churning out how great things are for himself with no proof. I guess he thinks if he keeps saying how wonderful Darden is his rants will be allowed to continue? It's actually pretty comical and reading his stuff is sometimes more enjoyable than the usual same slop that appears on here over and over again, sort of like ready the funny papers,
Ha ha!
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

Credit where credit is due, that, for the most part was pretty clear advice and I agreed with much of it. Not all though.
What do you mean when you talk about a gravity circuit?
Why would outroading be bad for the joints? Do you mean when you are trying to isolate a muscle, but as the set gets harder, you start to enlist other muscles? Is that the general definition of outroading?[/quote]

I define a gravity circuit as load that is applied through weights that are being pulled or moved against the Earth. In my years of experience a gravity load is required for two reasons ... 1) the load self-dampens the ratcheting and firing that occurs in our muscles, 2) Humans being creatures living in a physical realm of time and space primarily interact with the universe via the gravity force (in 2017 the exact principles are still unknown to us)

Outroading under extreme loads will shift weight into other muscles and one will acquire a coordinating skill prior to inroad on the major muscles (or muscle groups). Smaller muscles do not come into play until one begins to experience a cascading failure as a large intense load focused into the primary muscle over a set period of time. If one is outroading progress has stagnated due to this acquisition of skill (often involuntary). Under extreme loads it will also cause shifting of load across other tissues aka joints.

The situation with Turpine is that his workouts are insane injurious and the farthest thing from HIT and true exercise in 2017. His ilks should not be shown on this site except as an example of what not to do. Somehow his 'bro workouts ended up here.
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StuKE

Grant D. wrote:
Credit where credit is due, that, for the most part was pretty clear advice and I agreed with much of it. Not all though.
What do you mean when you talk about a gravity circuit?
Why would outroading be bad for the joints? Do you mean when you are trying to isolate a muscle, but as the set gets harder, you start to enlist other muscles? Is that the general definition of outroading?

I define a gravity circuit as load that is applied through weights that are being pulled or moved against the Earth. In my years of experience a gravity load is required for two reasons ... 1) the load self-dampens the ratcheting and firing that occurs in our muscles, 2) Humans being creatures living in a physical realm of time and space primarily interact with the universe via the gravity force (in 2017 the exact principles are still unknown to us)

Outroading under extreme loads will shift weight into other muscles and one will acquire a coordinating skill prior to inroad on the major muscles (or muscle groups). Smaller muscles do not come into play until one begins to experience a cascading failure as a large intense load focused into the primary muscle over a set period of time. If one is outroading progress has stagnated due to this acquisition of skill (often involuntary). Under extreme loads it will also cause shifting of load across other tissues aka joints.

The situation with Turpine is that his workouts are insane injurious and the farthest thing from HIT and true exercise in 2017. His ilks should not be shown on this site except as an example of what not to do. Somehow his 'bro workouts ended up here.


Thanks for taking the time to explain. Your comments on Turpin are uncalled for though and nobody should talk as if his way is the one try way and all others are wrong! Turpin has accomplices much: Strength, physique, youthfulness etc and all is very wll documents and evidenced. Moat men his age have very poor physiques and suffer health issues.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Grant D. wrote:
Credit where credit is due, that, for the most part was pretty clear advice and I agreed with much of it. Not all though.
What do you mean when you talk about a gravity circuit?
Why would outroading be bad for the joints? Do you mean when you are trying to isolate a muscle, but as the set gets harder, you start to enlist other muscles? Is that the general definition of outroading?

I define a gravity circuit as load that is applied through weights that are being pulled or moved against the Earth. In my years of experience a gravity load is required for two reasons ... 1) the load self-dampens the ratcheting and firing that occurs in our muscles, 2) Humans being creatures living in a physical realm of time and space primarily interact with the universe via the gravity force (in 2017 the exact principles are still unknown to us)

Outroading under extreme loads will shift weight into other muscles and one will acquire a coordinating skill prior to inroad on the major muscles (or muscle groups). Smaller muscles do not come into play until one begins to experience a cascading failure as a large intense load focused into the primary muscle over a set period of time. If one is outroading progress has stagnated due to this acquisition of skill (often involuntary). Under extreme loads it will also cause shifting of load across other tissues aka joints.

The situation with Turpine is that his workouts are insane injurious and the farthest thing from HIT and true exercise in 2017. His ilks should not be shown on this site except as an example of what not to do. Somehow his 'bro workouts ended up here.


---Scott ---
Turpin gets results from what he does whether it is the ideal workout or not. He posts numerous photos of his progress and shows exactly what he does. Turpin is strong as a bull and has a fine build as well. You Grant are nothing but talk. Anyone can come on here and parrot Darden and claim great results . Show us your physique in action practicing these great principles you advocate ! Demonstrate your wonderful technique to not outroad. Talk is cheap.
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sirloin

sirloin wrote:
Grant D. wrote:
How to "Dial In" a 303030

The 303030 is not necessarily locked in to a rigid temporal pace. To properly apply this technique one must be sure to have a heavy enough load that can be directly focused (via gravity circuits) into a particular muscle (group). If a trainee starts too heavy then the 2nd 30 may be unachievable. Thus, it is best to start too light thus assuring a full 2nd 30 seconds on the positive phase. After this 2nd 30 is achieved one can then further reduce the speed of the 3rd 30 ... perhaps even going to 45 plus seconds if the weight is too light. In the next session add about 5% to load. After a couple sessions one will see that last 30 runaway, and the trainee would be unable to stop the downward final negative. After this session one would be able to get to a 30 30 3rd 30 likely in one to two sessions. Once this is achieved then one can add 2-1/2 to 5 pounds AFTER a full 303030 is achieved.

Keys to Progress ... a) direct focus and concentration on muscle. b) constant slow speed on positive.

So to reflect on questions from earlier ... a 303030 is a trigger point to add weight, and one may expect a 30-30-12 then a 32-30-24 then a 32-31-30 then ADD WEIGHT. Recall 303030 is brutal when focused ... which is why IMO Dr Darden altered to 151515 plus reps for low tolerance trainees or newbs

Cheers Grant

Both are brutal when focused...

Lets RECALL, in a thread from last year called "EVITAGEN", Dr Darden states...

"I believe the hormone only becomes active when you reach a deep inroad
In a less than 90 second set time.

You might also try the 15-15-15, plus 8-12 faster rep cycle, its a shorter version of 30-30-30 and the results may be even better"

There you have it from the horses mouth.



Recall, the real reason for the 15-15-15 plus 8-12 reps. from Dr D himself.
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

S.M.Punisher wrote:
...If you're going to disagree with Grant, fine. But I don't recall Grant ever being abusive. If you think he's trolling, don't engage with him. If you think he's wrong, debate him without being abusive.

...let the genuinely useful information through, unpolluted with pointless, unfunny banter....Just my opinion and friendly advice.


Sorry, man, but the whole "happy smarmy" thing is part of his passive-aggressive schtick.

The next time someone honks at you in traffic, wave and give them a big smile. Then, watch them get more pissed-off than if you shot them the finger! That's Grant's aim, I guarantee you.
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sirloin

Grant D. wrote:
Max Pyramid ... a stagnation beater

In my experience as I developed strength and progress via the superb SuperSlow protocol I eventually ran out of weights on machines. As I began to pin 25's then eventually 45's to the machines I continued to make progress but then I stagnated. After months on this protocol and even trying "set extenders" the stagnation did not subside. This went on for over a year. I eventually migrated to low reps and forced heavy loads in a SuperSlow format that Fred Hahn called SloBurn. I would "prematurely" add weight and reduce reps which effectively reduced volume. The results were gains, but soon more stagnation ... even when I increased recovery times ... approaching Mentzer once or twice a month HD and/or consolidation. You see, the missing "kink" was outroading ... which allowed extreme system overload, joint dynamics, and foolin' myself with skill acquisition. What a wonderous blessing when John Little took the next step with his near motionless protocols of Max Pyramid, Done In One, and even his "older" Omega. You see, even with these superb concepts an advanced and progressing trainee will run out of weight and/or require a "partner". Thus I was able to integrate Dr. Dardens 303030 where now (in my case) most machines have plenty of weight.

So ... my progression beyond SuperSlow has been Max Contraction & Omega into Max Pyramid & Done In One with the new 303030 added. However I have ran out of weight on my Triceps Extension machine, but this muscle is rarely required for a separate focused exercise. When Y'all get to my point it will be quite a blessed and fulfilling accomplishment to renew your progress safely, efficiently... and better yet have NO DOUBTS of your success since you can see it in size, experience it in strength, measure it in load ... and be consistently looked-at in gym with bewilderment and inquiries. We(I) are but a few of the stalwarts who understand, apply, and are successful with the wisdom and understanding to progress that the life-changing experts of Dr. Darden and John Little have worked a lifetime to share with us.

In my opinion Dr. Darden's work with 303030 is the result of the stagnation and inabilities that he witnessed in trainees. I also believe that Dr. Darden alternatively bestowed upon us 151515 plus reps since most humans may not have the faith and fortitude to apply 303030 with focus and not squiggling.

Recall I spend less time under load TUL than I ever did, but boy those gravity-circuited loads are EXTREMELY FOCUSED and EXTREMELY HEAVY. I can sit at ANY machine in my gym and stack out in a 2020 rep ... quite an accomplishment, but I am of a larger stature. However, we all are best to focus on our own relative gains to ourselves. Yet, to properly measure progress (via load) one MUST ASSURE NO OUTROADING and PURE FOCUS into the muscle. This can ONLY be accomplished with near zero or zero motion since we are subjected to muscle friction, machine friction, changing machine moment arms ... over space (length) and time (velocity and acceleration).

Cheers in Faith and Health and Maximizing Your (until now) untapped Potential.

Grant


We've been over this before, 30-30-30 and done-in-one are just variations of moving very slowly. As for static hold protocols, been there and done that for extended periods, worked well for several weeks (everything does), and yes, i extended recovery periods as my strength went up, certianly no means to an end. This is the thing, your not talking to a bunch of wet nose kids here, we've also spent decades in the trenches.
As for pure laser focus etc, thats about as real as spot reduction.
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Average Al

Grant D. ran this shtick on the Body By Science site for years. There, it was disruptive, because that was a single thread of discussion. Here, it is less disruptive because there are multiple threads, and lately he has confined his comments to mostly this thread. So you can largely avoid him if you want to.

On BBS, someone claimed that the person behind Grant D. also used to post the same kind of stuff on the now dead Renex forum, under a different name (Dan Graves, if memory serves me well. Since the BBS site got blown up by hackers, it is no longer possible to retrieve old posts there).

Grant D. used to speak as if he lived in Florida, working as a coach for a college baseball team. Now he invites people to the Chicago area for workouts. I think at some point, someone suggested that he was located near Midlothian, Illinois. (I think this was supposedly determined by someone who was able to associate an IP address with the posts. I don't know if that is actually possible with these kind of web forum services, but it sounds good!)

It would be interesting to know if this was the work of someone well known in the community, or just some anonymous Joe that has a strange attraction to HIT forums. In either case, it seems like a pretty weird, pointless hobby to me.
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sirloin

entsminger wrote:
Grant D. wrote:
Credit where credit is due, that, for the most part was pretty clear advice and I agreed with much of it. Not all though.
What do you mean when you talk about a gravity circuit?
Why would outroading be bad for the joints? Do you mean when you are trying to isolate a muscle, but as the set gets harder, you start to enlist other muscles? Is that the general definition of outroading?

I define a gravity circuit as load that is applied through weights that are being pulled or moved against the Earth. In my years of experience a gravity load is required for two reasons ... 1) the load self-dampens the ratcheting and firing that occurs in our muscles, 2) Humans being creatures living in a physical realm of time and space primarily interact with the universe via the gravity force (in 2017 the exact principles are still unknown to us)

Outroading under extreme loads will shift weight into other muscles and one will acquire a coordinating skill prior to inroad on the major muscles (or muscle groups). Smaller muscles do not come into play until one begins to experience a cascading failure as a large intense load focused into the primary muscle over a set period of time. If one is outroading progress has stagnated due to this acquisition of skill (often involuntary). Under extreme loads it will also cause shifting of load across other tissues aka joints.

The situation with Turpine is that his workouts are insane injurious and the farthest thing from HIT and true exercise in 2017. His ilks should not be shown on this site except as an example of what not to do. Somehow his 'bro workouts ended up here.

---Scott ---
Turpin gets results from what he does whether it is the ideal workout or not. He posts numerous photos of his progress and shows exactly what he does. Turpin is strong as a bull and has a fine build as well. You Grant are nothing but talk. Anyone can come on here and parrot Darden and claim great results . Show us your physique in action practicing these great principles you advocate ! Demonstrate your wonderful technique to not outroad. Talk is cheap.


Excatly. This troll loves to remind us of what year it is, you'd think in 2017 he'd realise that exceptional claims DO require exceptional evidence.
Thing is though, even if he was "jacked", who the hell would want to sit on their arse in the same position for several minutes or take 2-4 minutes to complete a single rep? Imagine the pitcher throwing the ball and you moving a granny speed to hit it.
How many sluggers train that way?
While the world althetic championships were on recently, i really liked watching the top Dutch 100 and 200 female sprinter Dafne Schippers (the fastest white female in history). Shes a very powerful and athletic physique, out of curiosity, i looked her up on youtube, her strength training, what ya know, she trains exposively on power cleans, squats, snatches, weighted sled sprints etc, just like every other power athlete on the planet.
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sirloin

https://m.youtube.com/...h?v=1Y_k0AI-9RY

Theres is what am talking about, Frank makes a great point with regards to carryover.
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Average Al

sirloin wrote:

While the world althetic championships were on recently, i really liked watching the top Dutch 100 and 200 female sprinter Dafne Schippers (the fastest white female in history). Shes a very powerful and athletic physique, out of curiosity, i looked her up on youtube, her strength training, what ya know, she trains exposively on power cleans, squats, snatches, weighted sled sprints etc, just like every other power athlete on the plant.


The ability to produce power in rapid or explosive movements is associated with athletic ability. It probably has to do with the amount of fast twitch fiber that you are born with, as well as your neurological efficiency; whether you have it or not is largely a matter of genetics. But if you are born with it, it wouldn't surprise me that you might be able to hone that ability by training with explosive movements. At the highest levels of competition, even a small edge can be the difference between winning a medal or not.

The other aspect of this is the extracellular matrix that surrounds muscle. Base on stuff I've read recently, the amount and nature of ECM around your muscle may play a role in explosive movements, because it influences how much energy can be stored and released in that elastic component of the muscle. Perhaps that aspect of the muscle performance is best developed only by subjecting the muscle to explosive movement.

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sirloin

Average Al wrote:
sirloin wrote:

While the world althetic championships were on recently, i really liked watching the top Dutch 100 and 200 female sprinter Dafne Schippers (the fastest white female in history). Shes a very powerful and athletic physique, out of curiosity, i looked her up on youtube, her strength training, what ya know, she trains exposively on power cleans, squats, snatches, weighted sled sprints etc, just like every other power athlete on the plant.

The ability to produce power in rapid or explosive movements is associated with athletic ability. It probably has to do with the amount of fast twitch fiber that you are born with, as well as your neurological efficiency; whether you have it or not is largely a matter of genetics. But if you are born with it, it wouldn't surprise me that you might be able to hone that ability by training with explosive movements. At the highest levels of competition, even a small edge can be the difference between winning a medal or not.

The other aspect of this is the extracellular matrix that surrounds muscle. Base on stuff I've read recently, the amount and nature of ECM around your muscle may play a role in explosive movements, because it influences how much energy can be stored and released in that elastic component of the muscle. Perhaps that aspect of the muscle performance is best developed only by subjecting the muscle to explosive movement.



Oh heck yeah, genetics plays a monster role. Have you any links for for that stuff.
Cheers Rob
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

This is My last session from Sunday ... about 17 days between sessions.

Slight alteration due to desire to test new alignment on Leg Press Pads . . .

Leg Press Max Pyramid: 2 up 1 flat 2 down ... to reset hip position at 90 degrees with stack mark-off

Overhead Chest Press 32 31 21 (plus 7 seconds) with a runaway!

Chest Row Done-In-One plus 5 pounds 61 59

This was all I did, and I will have to watch my system recovery since I loaded immense weights on major muscle group mass. To aid in this recovery I must get a little extra sleep for the next few days, and carefully watch my diet so as not to have recovery diverted with any immuno respsonse. You see when you are loading/holding/moving such a high relative mass (with Gravity) one MUST be aware of the need to recover without systemic physical distractions.
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