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Grant D

Illinois, USA

Trainees please recall the progression of High Intensity exercise science. SuperSlow when properly applied produced incredible gains, but after 6 to 15 months (or so) this protocol did not provide additional gains ... assuming it was even properly applied. I know this from experience as I made gains and stopped cold ... until SloBurn, then Heavy Duty then Max Contraction, then Advanced Max Contraction, then Max Pyramid, Done In One and 303030 with a smidgeon of Omega ... which is why most SS boutiques are struggling,and their trainers are time crawlers for decades. However, even folk like Tanner can succeed in physique and business if they ...

Applied Pure Focused Intensity via a Gravity Circuit
Increased Recovery Time
Reduced Session Volume
Eliminated Momentum and eventually Dynamic Forces.

Regardless of morphology or genetics. What is worse chalk angst or androgeny or excuses?
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Grant D

Illinois, USA

Yeah, you pretty much said the same about Jeff Cavaliere lol.

Cavalier looks great, but I hope he looks better today ... he outta!

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Crotalus

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote

These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.


Exactly right ; HIT used to be about bodyBUILDING .... now it mostly seems to be about bodySHRINKING. Back in the day HIT books and articles talked about building muscle and strength with brutally hard training ... now it's about flattening housewives stomachs, not doing too much, don't train too many days a month, moving too fast ... all while on a super models diet.

I think 'classic' HIT is great for strength training for a sport but one set per exercise, once or twice a week is not going to take the muscle to it's maximum.

Not only Darden but all of the guys that have been connected to HIT built their physiques in more traditional ways before even trying and endorsing HIT.

No . I'm not a know-it-all as I fell for the 'Classic HIT' hype hook, line and sinker myself for too many years.


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hit4me

Florida, USA

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.

I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













which is why I indicated that they are making ridiculous claims
however, the question still remains "what is everyone on here expected to get from classic HIT"?

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sirloin

Grant D. wrote:
This so called trainer to the starz is far underloading muscle. The initial precept is FOCUSED INTENSITY. A static can only be beneficial (beyond newbie gains) when circuited through a gravity field ... aka weights pulling downward to Earth.

Also he is far from achieving his potential. He has duped himself into viewing muscular definition from the lens of extreme leanness. While he is quite lean he has accepted his own stagnation of progress with an acceptance of leanness and lack of progress. He could easily be 30 pounds of muscle heavier and look well proportioned rather than like a highly definitioned stagnationator light weight. In his meantime he is retarding progress and potential by those he trains and those that are duped into acceptance of lack of progress.


Hmmm
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hit4me

Florida, USA

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.

I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













or even training in any style of HIT for that matter

so, Dr. Darden has been training HIT style for about 40 years now....did he lose his physique, how about Mr. Flanagan...did he lose his??

I see people in the gym doing 5x5, or 3x10 and have been for many years with very little results...so, does that mean those methods are nothing but hype too

what about the strongman competition guys, they all look fat, with an exceptional one or two...does that mean they are all hype too??



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acas1959

I think that most reasonable protocols will work, for a at least a while ... I would say for about six weeks until you body adapts. Dr Darden, before he met Arthur Jones, was training 4x per week on a split routine and made some impressive gains without PEDs as per his own admission. Many man during his time did the same with similar results. I did so myself and even at almost 60 there will be no doubt in your mind that I lift weights.

Now almost 70 Dr Darden still he looks really fit.

I think that the key issue here is personal experimentation ... is this protocol working for me or not? simple as that. Make changes, keep accurate records and compare. Keep doing it or change it accordingly. And please don't second guess yourself for too long a period of time.

Dr Darden's site is full of pictures of man and woman showing real results using his methods. That is real science. Proposed methodologies+measurements will equal results ... good or bad.

My beef with some HIT trainers and all jokes and pictures aside is that they do not pass the simple smell test ...

Dr MacGuff claims the word Bodybuilding in 12 minutes once per week on the title of his magnum opus piece and yet he looks like an average guy who never really achieved any considerable amount of muscle mass.
Yet he claims that cardio does not exist (sic) and that his super slow methods are the holy grail of muscle building. Ok, so where is the proof? ... nowhere to be found ... he should have at least a couple of bodybuilders wanna be ditching high volume for his routines. Complete nonsense.

I listened to a podcast by Ryan Hall and a couple of other similar characters just recently ... well it was more of a never ending monolog about how wrong everyone is and how much wisdom him and his HIT super slow colleagues possessed. i was appalled when I visited his web site and a found a picture of an obese middle age man with a triple chin who didn't even bother to shave for the shot.

And the list goes on ... Drew Baye and Skyler Tanner whose never ending lecturing would induce narcolepsy into the most incurable of insomniacs. And yet nothing to show for, not just themselves clearly not muscular guys, but no client pictures with clear results showing the superiority of their methods.

Conclusion:

1) I you are an average trainee just find out what really works for you and keep at it. After all you are just working out for yourself. Try different methods and share the results (not your opinion)
It will be a great help to others.

2) If you make a living as a fitness/bodybuilding instructor please have at least the decency to look the part. It will give credibility to your parlance.
Would to go to a dentist that has brown and black rotten teeth?? ... I know me neither

3) If you have found the holy grail of muscle building and you beleive that your system (SuperSlow, HIT,BBS, Max Pyramid, whatever) is by far superior to all others, remember that extraordinary claims will always require extraordinary proof ... pictures/testimonies of successful trainees using your protocols will be great ... in the absence of this, you are a charlatan and you need to piss off.

Kind Regards,








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acas1959

sirloin wrote:
Grant D. wrote:
This so called trainer to the starz is far underloading muscle. The initial precept is FOCUSED INTENSITY. A static can only be beneficial (beyond newbie gains) when circuited through a gravity field ... aka weights pulling downward to Earth.

Also he is far from achieving his potential. He has duped himself into viewing muscular definition from the lens of extreme leanness. While he is quite lean he has accepted his own stagnation of progress with an acceptance of leanness and lack of progress. He could easily be 30 pounds of muscle heavier and look well proportioned rather than like a highly definitioned stagnationator light weight. In his meantime he is retarding progress and potential by those he trains and those that are duped into acceptance of lack of progress.

Hmmm


Coach Grant D exudes wisdom, doesn't he? ... lol
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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.


I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













which is why I indicated that they are making ridiculous claims
however, the question still remains "what is everyone on here expected to get from classic HIT"?



My expectations is greater than what training in HIT methods can deliever, including classic hit. I thought id never have 17" arms, i thought id hit my genetic ceiling, now 18", i realise now i was wrong, but it took some radical changes. Dailing down the intensity a little (not going to failure), and upping the freqency is what made the biggest differance, that and using an explosive (though still controlled) positive with a slow controlled negative.



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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.

I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













or even training in any style of HIT for that matter

so, Dr. Darden has been training HIT style for about 40 years now....did he lose his physique, how about Mr. Flanagan...did he lose his??

I see people in the gym doing 5x5, or 3x10 and have been for many years with very little results...so, does that mean those methods are nothing but hype too

what about the strongman competition guys, they all look fat, with an exceptional one or two...does that mean they are all hype too??

Take a look at Turpins log, its a prime example, look at his HIT days pics, and then hes recent pics with a radically differance appoarch, I.e., higher
volume, higher freqency, faster reps, cycling intensity etc, and with little change in diet I might add. The HIT "experts" mentioned / pictured would have simply chalked up his lack of progress and conditioning to poor genetics, or access calories, or not enough recovery time between workouts, ornot enough intensity etc. When in reality, it was their method.




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hit4me

Florida, USA

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.

I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













or even training in any style of HIT for that matter

so, Dr. Darden has been training HIT style for about 40 years now....did he lose his physique, how about Mr. Flanagan...did he lose his??

I see people in the gym doing 5x5, or 3x10 and have been for many years with very little results...so, does that mean those methods are nothing but hype too

what about the strongman competition guys, they all look fat, with an exceptional one or two...does that mean they are all hype too??

Take a look at Turpins log, its a prime example, look at his HIT days pics, and then hes recent pics with a radically differance appoarch, I.e., higher
volume, higher freqency, faster reps, cycling intensity etc, and with little change in diet I might add. The HIT "experts" mentioned / pictured would have simply chalked up his lack of progress and conditioning to poor genetics, or access calories, or not enough recovery time between workouts, ornot enough intensity etc. When in reality, it was their method.






i have and his physique and strength are well commended...as well as he is smart enough to realize he found a system that works to achieve his goals

this same training method may not work for me to achieve my goals, as my goals are not the same as his

i do agree and have said such, some of these so called experts make ridiculous claims



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hit4me

Florida, USA

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
ok I have to ask, I see some of ya are posting pics of proponents of the superslow version of HIT and it is kinda funny, but this leads me to my question: are any of these individuals claiming to be or want to be professional bodybuilders, weightlifters, powerlifters or athletes for that matter....or are they just claiming stupidly that their way of training is the only way to train.


I was curious because, I follow 2 to 3x/week fullbody HIT with no expectation of becoming Ronnie coleman or mike ohearn or even that guy called athlean-x
my expectation is to age gracefully with stamina, strength and to lean out with no injuries going forward.
sometimes I change it up and do split routine, but I always fall back on full body.
however, I will never reduce my frequency to once a week or even every other week....that just makes no sense to me, you may as well not even train at all....if you don't use it, you will lose it.

just curious as what everyone's expectations are by training (real) HIT 2 to 3x per week???????


These indivduals ("experts" - even the obese and morbidly obses ones) are indeed claiming their way of training is the best and fastest way to safely build muscle and strength.

Couple of examples, John Little claimed you could gain up to 18lb of muscle in 4 weeks using the omega set. Really?

Take a look at the cover of body by science, it says "a reseach based program for strength training, BODYBUILDING and complete fitness in 12 minutes per week". Really?

Pete Sisco's another one, hes advocting training as little as once every several weeks or longer in some cases.

Did Dr Darden achieve the look in those photo's we've seen of him at his best train like that? Of course not. He said recently it was training 4x per week on a split routine, with 10-12 exerises, 3 sets of 10 each.













which is why I indicated that they are making ridiculous claims
however, the question still remains "what is everyone on here expected to get from classic HIT"?



My expectations is greater than what training in HIT methods can deliever, including classic hit. I thought id never have 17" arms, i thought id hit my genetic ceiling, now 18", i realise now i was wrong, but it took some radical changes. Dailing down the intensity a little (not going to failure), and upping the freqency is what made the biggest differance, that and using an explosive (though still controlled) positive with a slow controlled negative.





then you are smart enough to realize that something needed to change in order to stimulate more growth


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hit4me

Florida, USA

acas1959 wrote:
I think that most reasonable protocols will work, for a at least a while ... I would say for about six weeks until you body adapts. Dr Darden, before he met Arthur Jones, was training 4x per week on a split routine and made some impressive gains without PEDs as per his own admission. Many man during his time did the same with similar results. I did so myself and even at almost 60 there will be no doubt in your mind that I lift weights.

Now almost 70 Dr Darden still he looks really fit.

I think that the key issue here is personal experimentation ... is this protocol working for me or not? simple as that. Make changes, keep accurate records and compare. Keep doing it or change it accordingly. And please don't second guess yourself for too long a period of time.

Dr Darden's site is full of pictures of man and woman showing real results using his methods. That is real science. Proposed methodologies+measurements will equal results ... good or bad.

My beef with some HIT trainers and all jokes and pictures aside is that they do not pass the simple smell test ...

Dr MacGuff claims the word Bodybuilding in 12 minutes once per week on the title of his magnum opus piece and yet he looks like an average guy who never really achieved any considerable amount of muscle mass.
Yet he claims that cardio does not exist (sic) and that his super slow methods are the holy grail of muscle building. Ok, so where is the proof? ... nowhere to be found ... he should have at least a couple of bodybuilders wanna be ditching high volume for his routines. Complete nonsense.

I listened to a podcast by Ryan Hall and a couple of other similar characters just recently ... well it was more of a never ending monolog about how wrong everyone is and how much wisdom him and his HIT super slow colleagues possessed. i was appalled when I visited his web site and a found a picture of an obese middle age man with a triple chin who didn't even bother to shave for the shot.

And the list goes on ... Drew Baye and Skyler Tanner whose never ending lecturing would induce narcolepsy into the most incurable of insomniacs. And yet nothing to show for, not just themselves clearly not muscular guys, but no client pictures with clear results showing the superiority of their methods.

Conclusion:

1) I you are an average trainee just find out what really works for you and keep at it. After all you are just working out for yourself. Try different methods and share the results (not your opinion)
It will be a great help to others.

2) If you make a living as a fitness/bodybuilding instructor please have at least the decency to look the part. It will give credibility to your parlance.
Would to go to a dentist that has brown and black rotten teeth?? ... I know me neither

3) If you have found the holy grail of muscle building and you beleive that your system (SuperSlow, HIT,BBS, Max Pyramid, whatever) is by far superior to all others, remember that extraordinary claims will always require extraordinary proof ... pictures/testimonies of successful trainees using your protocols will be great ... in the absence of this, you are a charlatan and you need to piss off.

Kind Regards,










everything you said, i totally agree with



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hit4me

Florida, USA

check out stephen deininger on youtube...he is an advocate of HIT

he is not as big, but he is in great shape and practices what he preaches

not putting him on a pedestal, but it goes to show that HIT can be beneficial to some, maybe not all, but to some

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Crotalus

acas1959 wrote:
I think that most reasonable protocols will work, for a at least a while ... I would say for about six weeks until you body adapts. Dr Darden, before he met Arthur Jones, was training 4x per week on a split routine and made some impressive gains without PEDs as per his own admission. Many man during his time did the same with similar results. I did so myself and even at almost 60 there will be no doubt in your mind that I lift weights.

Now almost 70 Dr Darden still he looks really fit.

I think that the key issue here is personal experimentation ... is this protocol working for me or not? simple as that. Make changes, keep accurate records and compare. Keep doing it or change it accordingly. And please don't second guess yourself for too long a period of time.

Dr Darden's site is full of pictures of man and woman showing real results using his methods. That is real science. Proposed methodologies+measurements will equal results ... good or bad.

My beef with some HIT trainers and all jokes and pictures aside is that they do not pass the simple smell test ...

Dr MacGuff claims the word Bodybuilding in 12 minutes once per week on the title of his magnum opus piece and yet he looks like an average guy who never really achieved any considerable amount of muscle mass.
Yet he claims that cardio does not exist (sic) and that his super slow methods are the holy grail of muscle building. Ok, so where is the proof? ... nowhere to be found ... he should have at least a couple of bodybuilders wanna be ditching high volume for his routines. Complete nonsense.

I listened to a podcast by Ryan Hall and a couple of other similar characters just recently ... well it was more of a never ending monolog about how wrong everyone is and how much wisdom him and his HIT super slow colleagues possessed. i was appalled when I visited his web site and a found a picture of an obese middle age man with a triple chin who didn't even bother to shave for the shot.

And the list goes on ... Drew Baye and Skyler Tanner whose never ending lecturing would induce narcolepsy into the most incurable of insomniacs. And yet nothing to show for, not just themselves clearly not muscular guys, but no client pictures with clear results showing the superiority of their methods.

Conclusion:

1) I you are an average trainee just find out what really works for you and keep at it. After all you are just working out for yourself. Try different methods and share the results (not your opinion)
It will be a great help to others.

2) If you make a living as a fitness/bodybuilding instructor please have at least the decency to look the part. It will give credibility to your parlance.
Would to go to a dentist that has brown and black rotten teeth?? ... I know me neither

3) If you have found the holy grail of muscle building and you beleive that your system (SuperSlow, HIT,BBS, Max Pyramid, whatever) is by far superior to all others, remember that extraordinary claims will always require extraordinary proof ... pictures/testimonies of successful trainees using your protocols will be great ... in the absence of this, you are a charlatan and you need to piss off.

Kind Regards,


Great post !
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Crotalus

sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
hit4me wrote:

My expectations is greater than what training in HIT methods can deliever, including classic hit. I thought id never have 17" arms, i thought id hit my genetic ceiling, now 18", i realise now i was wrong, but it took some radical changes. Dailing down the intensity a little (not going to failure), and upping the freqency is what made the biggest differance.



My experience also ... and it took me forever to admit HIT no longer worked on me and to change my approach.
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Lioncourt

Crotalus wrote:
My experience also ... and it took me forever to admit HIT no longer worked on me and to change my approach.


I have had similar revelations as well. I would also add just how unpleasant HIT can be. The mentality that I have to beat last workout's numbers or the set was a waste of time. I think how grueling every workout must be to be effective is why you see a lot of old HITers stop training after their competitive days are over (Metnzer & Casey) or go to a different approach like Boyer. Even Arthur trained in spurts from time to time and after 1973 I have never seen anyone mention seeing him workout again.

With a periadization approach cycling intensities, I never just overly dread any session.
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acas1959

hit4me wrote:
check out stephen deininger on youtube...he is an advocate of HIT

he is not as big, but he is in great shape and practices what he preaches

not putting him on a pedestal, but it goes to show that HIT can be beneficial to some, maybe not all, but to some



I will, thank you

Regards,

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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
check out stephen deininger on youtube...he is an advocate of HIT

he is not as big, but he is in great shape and practices what he preaches

not putting him on a pedestal, but it goes to show that HIT can be beneficial to some, maybe not all, but to some



I like em, 2-3 FB workouts per week, plus 20min HIIT workouts and a keto diet i think he advocates. Hes an exellent gym. HIT is actually pretty popular in Germany, ive a good friend lives in Berlin who's a Strength and conditioning coach tells me theres quite a few HIT gyms and trainers.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

Lioncourt wrote:
Crotalus wrote:
My experience also ... and it took me forever to admit HIT no longer worked on me and to change my approach.


I have had similar revelations as well. I would also add just how unpleasant HIT can be. The mentality that I have to beat last workout's numbers or the set was a waste of time. I think how grueling every workout must be to be effective is why you see a lot of old HITers stop training after their competitive days are over (Metnzer & Casey) or go to a different approach like Boyer. Even Arthur trained in spurts from time to time and after 1973 I have never seen anyone mention seeing him workout again.

With a periadization approach cycling intensities, I never just overly dread any session.


now myself on the other hand have the opposite experiences....in my 20s during the eighties, I trained like Arnold and franco (6 days/week 2-3 hours a day very high volume)I made some progress but back then I was so na?ve that I believed for the life of me that was gonna be the next mr Olympia by the time was 30

then in my 30s I followed yates program and reduced my volume and trained 4 days/week with warmups and one working set explosively and hurt my lower back doing so, to the point that I stopped training until my late 40s and stumbled upon Arthur jones and ellington darden

have made nothing but progress since then....safely as I may add

my only issue and why I post no pics is because I need to lose about 20 to 30 lbs....however, when someone grabs my arm at work...they cannot believe how hard they say it is

and now I found roger callards workout and am gonna implement going forward and see how that works for me
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acas1959

Pete Sisco HIT superstar trainer ... another one for the hall of fame



Regards,

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acas1959

donuts with that single set to failure?

Regards,
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Crotalus

Lioncourt wrote

I have had similar revelations as well. I would also add just how unpleasant HIT can be. The mentality that I have to beat last workout's numbers or the set was a waste of time.

With a periadization approach cycling intensities, I never just overly dread any session.



When I trained full body routines I also got nervous before the workout began, LOL. I mentioned in other posts that over the years I 'progressed' to the point of only being able to handle three exercises in a workout ; Squat, pull ups , OH Presses one day and SLD, Dips and one arm rows the other. All to positive failure and each day left me useless for anything else that evening.

Now that I split I still train hard and to failure ( hard habit to break ) but never have that systematic drain I felt doing full body and recover and am always ready and looking forward to the next workout.

Splitting was the best thing I ever did since learning to train in HIT fashion. I'd never think about a full body routine again.


As far as 'periodization' ... I remember that being fighting words in the HIT community years ago, lol.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

acas1959 wrote:
donuts with that single set to failure?

Regards,


==Scott==
Arthur Jones wasn't exactly the poster boy of health and muscle.I guess Jay Cutler would be a great trainer, ha ha
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hit4me

Florida, USA




Now that I split I still train hard and to failure ( hard habit to break ) but never have that systematic drain I felt doing full body and recover and am always ready and looking forward to the next workout.

Splitting was the best thing I ever did since learning to train in HIT fashion. I'd never think about a full body routine again.


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which is why I don't go to systemic failure anymore while doing full body

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