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Bastion

Tom Platz at almost 62!

https://www.instagram.com/...x0iDDk-7/?hl=en
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Nwlifter

Bastion wrote:
Tom Platz at almost 62!

https://www.instagram.com/.../?hl=en


Dang, how many plates is that! Egads.

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HeavyHitter32

Amazing.
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Bastion

I'm guessing Tom is going to take at least a month off now after an effort like that, especially with all that outroading!.
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Average Al

Nwlifter wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Tom Platz at almost 62!

https://www.instagram.com/...x0iDDk-7/?hl=en

Dang, how many plates is that! Egads.



Those kind of look like rubber bumper plates. First three letters on the plate are ROG, so most likely Rogue Fitness bumpers. Don't think they sell a branded iron late. I'm guessing 4 plates per side, so 405. Wonder if he is on anything?
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sirloin

Bastion wrote:
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Equity wrote:
More Arm Wrestling training please! Shakes up the usual boredom!

Was watching Tom Platz videos on YouTube, very inspiring. I know he's not a HIT/Nautilus associate but trained his ass off! Comments please...

saw tom platz train around 79-82 time period . super intense , was very strict with reps when first saw him . real nice person , I was just learning to train and he took time to show me better way to do different exercises. back then i was doing the Arnold deal 20 sets and not really makin much progress for all the hard work. I got a basic chest shoulder tri , legs back bi workout from him . I only did 3 sets for bench , bent laterals , o. h. press ,tri ext. day 1 ..3 sets squat , leg curl,bent row , deadlift , curls , 1 set pullup calf raise, day 2 and started making progress.. He said he used similar deal to bring his upper bod to match legs ... Later I did a Mike Mentzer program .

Platz is one of my favorites. He did the majority of his training balls to the wall and basic. From one vid of him on youtube he explains how he does 1 main movement per bodypart. Chest would get about an hour of incline db presses. Back would get t bar rows or pulldowns for 90 min, According to the ironman encyclopedia of bodybuilding. Platz and Mike mentzer were good friends and trained alike, balls out. I think a lot of those guys used less volume than what the books and magazines claim. Maybe not "Hit", but not 50 set chest n back supersets 3 times a week.

https://youtu.be/...SC5_Xfg


Recall reading a short article 20 odd years ago in Ironman, it said he did 100 sets of pulldowns then 4-8 sets of seated cable rows. Remember thinking to myself that must be a misprint...little did i know lol
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Crotalus

I always liked Platz a lot too .... was always a crowd favorite when competing.

How the hell do you do incline presses for an hour and 90 minutes of pull downs ? LOL

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hit4me

Florida, USA

Platz doing that kind of weight at that age is insane, guess that's why he is a legend in the sport of bodybuilding
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Crotalus wrote:
I always liked Platz a lot too .... was always a crowd favorite when competing.

How the hell do you do incline presses for an hour and 90 minutes of pull downs ? LOL



interesting, did he work up to a certain weight or did he just select a weight and performed 10 reps per set for an hour?

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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

Crotalus wrote:
I always liked Platz a lot too .... was always a crowd favorite when competing.

How the hell do you do incline presses for an hour and 90 minutes of pull downs ? LOL


Long-Ass Rest Periods!
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Bastion

simon-hecubus wrote:
Crotalus wrote:
I always liked Platz a lot too .... was always a crowd favorite when competing.

How the hell do you do incline presses for an hour and 90 minutes of pull downs ? LOL

Long-Ass Rest Periods!



Yeah, if you rest 4-5 min between sets, it doesn't take much to eat up 45 min to an hour. That's just 8-10 sets. When I started out it was common for people to train for 2 hrs. It was just a common thing back then.

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Bastion

Thanks to Tom Platz and this thread, for my back and bicep workout last night I did 8 sets of chest supported t-bar rows and 5 sets on the Hammer preacher curl, all in pyrimid fashion. I'm planning a similar chest and tricep workout tonight with machine declines and extensions. After weeks of cumulative fatigue training, it's fun to switch it up and pile some weight on!.
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Crotalus

simon-hecubus wrote:

Long-Ass Rest Periods!


Yeah, not doing the 15-20 seconds between sets Gironda advocated, LOL.

I have a hard time concentrating on one exercise for more than two sets let alone for 90 minutes. But I REALLY do like 15-20 seconds between sets.
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Nwlifter

Bastion wrote:
Thanks to Tom Platz and this thread, for my back and bicep workout last night I did 8 sets of chest supported t-bar rows and 5 sets on the Hammer preacher curl, all in pyrimid fashion. I'm planning a similar chest and tricep workout tonight with machine declines and extensions. After weeks of cumulative fatigue training, it's fun to switch it up and pile some weight on!.


Hey are you Bastionhead from youtube? Or just a similar name?

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Bastion

Nwlifter wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Thanks to Tom Platz and this thread, for my back and bicep workout last night I did 8 sets of chest supported t-bar rows and 5 sets on the Hammer preacher curl, all in pyrimid fashion. I'm planning a similar chest and tricep workout tonight with machine declines and extensions. After weeks of cumulative fatigue training, it's fun to switch it up and pile some weight on!.

Hey are you Bastionhead from youtube? Or just a similar name?



That's the 2nd time I've been asked that on this forum lol. No, I don't have a youtube channel. Although I did search "bastionhead " and that guy does some serious squatting and lifting. Nothing very recent though from what I saw.

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Crotalus

Bastion wrote:
back and bicep workout

chest and tricep workout tonight


Similar split to what I do but I include shoulders in with the chest and triceps. Where do you put your shoulder work ... with legs ?
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Nwlifter

Bastion wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Thanks to Tom Platz and this thread, for my back and bicep workout last night I did 8 sets of chest supported t-bar rows and 5 sets on the Hammer preacher curl, all in pyrimid fashion. I'm planning a similar chest and tricep workout tonight with machine declines and extensions. After weeks of cumulative fatigue training, it's fun to switch it up and pile some weight on!.

Hey are you Bastionhead from youtube? Or just a similar name?



That's the 2nd time I've been asked that on this forum lol. No, I don't have a youtube channel. Although I did search "bastionhead " and that guy does some serious squatting and lifting. Nothing very recent though from what I saw.



Ah ok, coincidence on the name thing. It's just such a unique name, then two people who lift having it sure seemed too high a coincidence. I was hoping it was the same, I was going to ask why no new videos.

OK, thanks!



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eintology

California, USA

This is perfect; Grant's dramatic, but brief, "Exercise Science 2017," was met by - with little in the way of hesitation by others, a detour, a swift departure, as Exercise Science 2017, rather quickly, was turned into a tribute to Tom Platz.
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Bastion

Crotalus wrote:
Bastion wrote:
back and bicep workout

chest and tricep workout tonight

Similar split to what I do but I include shoulders in with the chest and triceps. Where do you put your shoulder work ... with legs ?


I constantly vary my training. I typically salt delts in after back or chest, with just wide grip uprights or partial laterals, I haven't done overhead presses in years. most recently I've been training them alone with traps and calves. Back/bis, chest/triceps,quads/ hams,shoulders/calves.
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Bastion

eintology wrote:
This is perfect; Grant's dramatic, but brief, "Exercise Science 2017," was met by - with little in the way of hesitation by others, a detour, a swift departure, as Exercise Science 2017, rather quickly, was turned into a tribute to Tom Platz.


I don't know about this "Exercise science 2017". I still, after years of this crap have yet to see anyone who trains once a week or once a month with "science" post a pic or vid of their amazing results. Most threads are taken over by people who actually train, and love to train. Not people who spout off ridiculous bullshit about taking a month off after a workout or whatever. About 10 yrs ago, I thought Little and Mcguff were geniuses too. Until I woke up and looked in the mirror.
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S.M.Punisher

Bastion wrote:
I don't know about this "Exercise science 2017". I still, after years of this crap have yet to see anyone who trains once a week or once a month with "science" post a pic or vid of their amazing results. Most threads are taken over by people who actually train, and love to train. Not people who spout off ridiculous bullshit about taking a month off after a workout or whatever. About 10 yrs ago, I thought Little and Mcguff were geniuses too. Until I woke up and looked in the mirror.


The longer I go on doing this and the more people I read and watch on the Web, the more I realize that "amazing results" are the exception where totally natural training is concerned. Pick any training approach you like, and there is equally a dearth of amazing results to "prove" its superiority. (Just to add that YouTube is a terrible place to look for examples. It's like any other competitive arena where money is involved. Whether to believe any particular guru is in fact natural when claimed to be is entirely up to you.)

In the end, if training is consistent and produces significant strength gains I don't think frequency matters over the long haul. You might be able to optimize your physique in the short term with higher frequency, but in the end the overall results from the massively increased volume of effort invested in the task will make a more consolidated approach either necessary or just a saner alternative once the days of fast or even reasonable gains are long gone.
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HeavyHitter32

Bastion wrote:
eintology wrote:
This is perfect; Grant's dramatic, but brief, "Exercise Science 2017," was met by - with little in the way of hesitation by others, a detour, a swift departure, as Exercise Science 2017, rather quickly, was turned into a tribute to Tom Platz.

I don't know about this "Exercise science 2017". I still, after years of this crap have yet to see anyone who trains once a week or once a month with "science" post a pic or vid of their amazing results. Most threads are taken over by people who actually train, and love to train. Not people who spout off ridiculous bullshit about taking a month off after a workout or whatever. About 10 yrs ago, I thought Little and Mcguff were geniuses too. Until I woke up and looked in the mirror.


That's a bingo.
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the_iron_goose

California, I think...yes.
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Bastion

S.M.Punisher wrote:
Bastion wrote:
I don't know about this "Exercise science 2017". I still, after years of this crap have yet to see anyone who trains once a week or once a month with "science" post a pic or vid of their amazing results. Most threads are taken over by people who actually train, and love to train. Not people who spout off ridiculous bullshit about taking a month off after a workout or whatever. About 10 yrs ago, I thought Little and Mcguff were geniuses too. Until I woke up and looked in the mirror.

The longer I go on doing this and the more people I read and watch on the Web, the more I realize that "amazing results" are the exception where totally natural training is concerned. Pick any training approach you like, and there is equally a dearth of amazing results to "prove" its superiority. (Just to add that YouTube is a terrible place to look for examples. It's like any other competitive arena where money is involved. Whether to believe any particular guru is in fact natural when claimed to be is entirely up to you.)

In the end, if training is consistent and produces significant strength gains I don't think frequency matters over the long haul. You might be able to optimize your physique in the short term with higher frequency, but in the end the overall results from the massively increased volume of effort invested in the task will make a more consolidated approach either necessary or just a saner alternative once the days of fast or even reasonable gains are long gone.


I agree with some of what you say. Although, it depends on what your goals are. If you're using strength increases only as your measuring stick, it's eventually going to come to a halt. Training style dictates frequency as well. For example, I can press way more than I need too in order to train my chest, row much more than I need to train my lats etc. By training the muscle and using the Weight as a tool, training can and should be more frequent than if your workouts are on par with a powerlifter/power bodybuilder etc, as you are putting more stress on your overall system.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

I agree, its all goal oriented and consistency along with controlled rep style training is the key
being 53 and training Arthur style for the past year, I have definitely reached my strength potential....therefore gonna start performing the 40/50 years style training (3 set of 8-12) full body 3x/week and fatigue and pump the muscle and not worry about the weight being used

to me at my age, the goals change to safety/injury free and try to lose weight without losing mass..i.e. more shaping or getting the leaner look in lieu of the huge look...and I know the diet also plays a big role too.
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