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Ray200

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Hey Ray,

This might be of intrest to ya. Big Z paid a visit in May to the strongman gym where am at, i wasnt present unfortunately, but i was told some of his recommendations. One was, if your goal is absolute strength, avoid Dumbbell and unilateral exercises. He said the only time he uses a Dumbbell, is if it is an up and coming contest (Thomas inch). He also mentioned, that if your trying to get on stronger log press / OHP, avoid all other pressing (i.e., benching, dips etc).

JC; Yeah, he mentioned benching in another Juji video (one where they wanted to see if he fitted in / on strive machines , he didnt of course lol. Funny video).
Doesnt suprise me he has a huge chest, he OHPs over 400lb ha.

Sis-in-law, shes being a lazy mook at the mo. But yeah, very strong legs. Big Phil (the gym owner) is currently training a 24yo girl for Irelands strongest woman, shes only been lifting for 18 months and is showing great potenial. Shes already deadlifting 200kg and OHPing 95kg. Shes 5'11 and a solid 15.7st. It'll good to see her progress.

Best
Rob



You had Big Z as your avatar for a time I recall. Or was it a photo? He still has the log press record although I think Graham Hicks is looking to take it this year.
Damn, that must be some gym if you get someone like him over a few times.
But dumbbells just bore the hell out of me. Can't get into them. Currently doing flat dumbbell presses to give my shoulders a break from floor pressing but that's my max. Maybe one-arm dumbbell rows are the only variant I enjoy ... a little.
As for the last paragraph: training 18 months and deadlifting 200kg! It took me 3 years to get that. That's ridiculous. Whether equipped or not that is incredible lifting. What's the world record, 300kg?

Cheers,
Ray
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sirloin

Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:

Hey Ray,

This might be of intrest to ya. Big Z paid a visit in May to the strongman gym where am at, i wasnt present unfortunately, but i was told some of his recommendations. One was, if your goal is absolute strength, avoid Dumbbell and unilateral exercises. He said the only time he uses a Dumbbell, is if it is an up and coming contest (Thomas inch). He also mentioned, that if your trying to get on stronger log press / OHP, avoid all other pressing (i.e., benching, dips etc).

JC; Yeah, he mentioned benching in another Juji video (one where they wanted to see if he fitted in / on strive machines , he didnt of course lol. Funny video).
Doesnt suprise me he has a huge chest, he OHPs over 400lb ha.

Sis-in-law, shes being a lazy mook at the mo. But yeah, very strong legs. Big Phil (the gym owner) is currently training a 24yo girl for Irelands strongest woman, shes only been lifting for 18 months and is showing great potenial. Shes already deadlifting 200kg and OHPing 95kg. Shes 5'11 and a solid 15.7st. It'll good to see her progress.

Best
Rob



You had Big Z as your avatar for a time I recall. Or was it a photo? He still has the log press record although I think Graham Hicks is looking to take it this year.
Damn, that must be some gym if you get someone like him over a few times.
But dumbbells just bore the hell out of me. Can't get into them. Currently doing flat dumbbell presses to give my shoulders a break from floor pressing but that's my max. Maybe one-arm dumbbell rows are the only variant I enjoy ... a little.
As for the last paragraph: training 18 months and deadlifting 200kg! It took me 3 years to get that. That's ridiculous. Whether equipped or not that is incredible lifting. What's the world record, 300kg?

Cheers,
Ray


Hey Ray,

Theres a few guys have come close to breaking the log press record, including Hall, but someone has yet to do it. If anyone can break it, its Hicks. Of course Big Z has many world records, but everyone wants that one. Next to the deadlift, the log press is the next best true test of full body strength and power. Not the squat, not the bench.

Dumbbells are great if youve nothing else, i started with a plastic set in my bedroom and a "slant board" / sit-up board from Argos as a kid lol. Good times.

Yeah, that girl is a beast, massive quads, hams and glutes. All she does is deadlifts (conventional and Axle bar), OHPs (log, viking), and event training (stones, truck pulls, farmers, super yoke etc), she gets taking out to an equipped yard for the latter. Several strongman rent a barn near the gym. Its not uncommon for her to train an entire afternoon on Saturdays, and the just one night through the week.

Best
Rob




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Ray200

sirloin wrote:

Hey Ray,

Theres a few guys have come close to breaking the log press record, including Hall, but someone has yet to do it. If anyone can break it, its Hicks. Of course Big Z has many world records, but everyone wants that one. Next to the deadlift, the log press is the next best true test of full body strength and power. Not the squat, not the bench.

Dumbbells are great if youve nothing else, i started with a plastic set in my bedroom and a "slant board" / sit-up board from Argos as a kid lol. Good times.

Yeah, that girl is a beast, massive quads, hams and glutes. All she does is deadlifts (conventional and Axle bar), OHPs (log, viking), and event training (stones, truck pulls, farmers, super yoke etc), she gets taking out to an equipped yard for the latter. Several strongman rent a barn near the gym. Its not uncommon for her to train an entire afternoon on Saturdays, and the just one night through the week.

Best
Rob



Argos! Brings back memories of the grey sand-filled vinyl plates.
Strange how dumbbells have gradually lost their allure. At one time the one-arm press was THE test of upper body strength.
I'm now thinking of stripping things back to see if I can push on further. Might just need a deload but the workouts are getting too long. That woman who is doing pretty much 3 exercises might be on to something. Admittedly the sessions sound too long for me.

Cheers,
Ray
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sirloin

Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:

Hey Ray,

Theres a few guys have come close to breaking the log press record, including Hall, but someone has yet to do it. If anyone can break it, its Hicks. Of course Big Z has many world records, but everyone wants that one. Next to the deadlift, the log press is the next best true test of full body strength and power. Not the squat, not the bench.

Dumbbells are great if youve nothing else, i started with a plastic set in my bedroom and a "slant board" / sit-up board from Argos as a kid lol. Good times.

Yeah, that girl is a beast, massive quads, hams and glutes. All she does is deadlifts (conventional and Axle bar), OHPs (log, viking), and event training (stones, truck pulls, farmers, super yoke etc), she gets taking out to an equipped yard for the latter. Several strongman rent a barn near the gym. Its not uncommon for her to train an entire afternoon on Saturdays, and the just one night through the week.

Best
Rob



Argos! Brings back memories of the grey sand-filled vinyl plates.
Strange how dumbbells have gradually lost their allure. At one time the one-arm press was THE test of upper body strength.
I'm now thinking of stripping things back to see if I can push on further. Might just need a deload but the workouts are getting too long. That woman who is doing pretty much 3 exercises might be on to something. Admittedly the sessions sound too long for me.

Cheers,
Ray


Ha, the very ones:)

Very true, "off the floor" lifts where (and still are) THE best test of full body strength.
Remember reading Eric Bugenhagan saying he did nothing but "OTF" lifts for 3 years straight, he said it took his full body strength to a whole other level.
To quote Dr Ken "bodybuilding was the worse thing to ever happen to strength training". How right he was!

Yeah, she trains on her days off work. She does the minimum amount of warming up for each lift / event. She'll also take a good 15-20 mins between each lift or event...as thats how long she'll get between events when competing. Its of course not for everyone (including me), but shes training specific to her goal.

Personally i prefer to cut my workouts in segments, training muiliple times per day, little and often. I only hit the gym once a week and train mostly in my home gym (now that summers over).
Even with 3-5 rests between working sets, am done n dusted in 15-30 minutes, so its not an enormous commitment.
I think gyms have preconditioned people into thinking they've gotta get everything done in a single sitting. Thats one of the beauties of having a home gym...as you know, you can "grip it and rip it" as many times per day / week as you like, with little disruption to your everyday life.

And on that note, its time for my second workout of the day...presses and rows:)

Best
Rob
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Ray200

sirloin wrote:

Ha, the very ones:)

Very true, "off the floor" lifts where (and still are) THE best test of full body strength.
Remember reading Eric Bugenhagan saying he did nothing but "OTF" lifts for 3 years straight, he said it took his full body strength to a whole other level.
To quote Dr Ken "bodybuilding was the worse thing to ever happen to strength training". How right he was!

Yeah, she trains on her days off work. She does the minimum amount of warming up for each lift / event. She'll also take a good 15-20 mins between each lift or event...as thats how long she'll get between events when competing. Its of course not for everyone (including me), but shes training specific to her goal.

Personally i prefer to cut my workouts in segments, training muiliple times per day, little and often. I only hit the gym once a week and train mostly in my home gym (now that summers over).
Even with 3-5 rests between working sets, am done n dusted in 15-30 minutes, so its not an enormous commitment.
I think gyms have preconditioned people into thinking they've gotta get everything done in a single sitting. Thats one of the beauties of having a home gym...as you know, you can "grip it and rip it" as many times per day / week as you like, with little disruption to your everyday life.

And on that note, its time for my second workout of the day...presses and rows:)

Best
Rob


Hi Rob,
An interesting way of working out there. The nearest I came to that was doing multiple sets of chins throughout the day.
Do we have to get everything done in one session? A short burst of lifting (say, 5-10 mins.) repeated 2-3 times a day shouldn't be too taxing. I seem to recall Paul Anderson resting as much as an hour between exercises but that's about the most I've seen.
As you wrote, with a home gym you should be able to at least try it. The worst thing I ever did was blindly follow the advice of the "experts", Mentzer in particular. Pick and choose.
Keep up the log. Great to see how you're progressing. I recall lifting on Nautilus machines years ago for 5 weeks and I loved them, but I can't relate to the poundage used or how it compares to free weights. Equally, hypertrophy is a nice bonus but strength's the name of the game.

Cheers,
Ray
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sirloin

Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:

Ha, the very ones:)

Very true, "off the floor" lifts where (and still are) THE best test of full body strength.
Remember reading Eric Bugenhagan saying he did nothing but "OTF" lifts for 3 years straight, he said it took his full body strength to a whole other level.
To quote Dr Ken "bodybuilding was the worse thing to ever happen to strength training". How right he was!

Yeah, she trains on her days off work. She does the minimum amount of warming up for each lift / event. She'll also take a good 15-20 mins between each lift or event...as thats how long she'll get between events when competing. Its of course not for everyone (including me), but shes training specific to her goal.

Personally i prefer to cut my workouts in segments, training muiliple times per day, little and often. I only hit the gym once a week and train mostly in my home gym (now that summers over).
Even with 3-5 rests between working sets, am done n dusted in 15-30 minutes, so its not an enormous commitment.
I think gyms have preconditioned people into thinking they've gotta get everything done in a single sitting. Thats one of the beauties of having a home gym...as you know, you can "grip it and rip it" as many times per day / week as you like, with little disruption to your everyday life.

And on that note, its time for my second workout of the day...presses and rows:)

Best
Rob


Hi Rob,
An interesting way of working out there. The nearest I came to that was doing multiple sets of chins throughout the day.
Do we have to get everything done in one session? A short burst of lifting (say, 5-10 mins.) repeated 2-3 times a day shouldn't be too taxing. I seem to recall Paul Anderson resting as much as an hour between exercises but that's about the most I've seen.
As you wrote, with a home gym you should be able to at least try it. The worst thing I ever did was blindly follow the advice of the "experts", Mentzer in particular. Pick and choose.
Keep up the log. Great to see how you're progressing. I recall lifting on Nautilus machines years ago for 5 weeks and I loved them, but I can't relate to the poundage used or how it compares to free weights. Equally, hypertrophy is a nice bonus but strength's the name of the game.

Cheers,
Ray


Thats the thing mate, you can hit your key lifts fresh everytime, plus ive not experienced anywhere near the level of fatigue inspite of the poundages growing ever greater vs one main session with everything in it.

Hypertrophy; Im all it, myofibrillar hypertrophy that is. The remnants of heavy training in middle aged and older guys i know, who've since stopped training (in some cases for decades) still remain. However ive seen pumpers lose their "rented gains" within a matter of a month. Who's the real time wasters?

Machines / equipment; Of all the machines ive used, the simple plate loaded ones in the strongman gym are my favs.
Im actually in the process of selling and giving away equipment i bought for my home gym over the last 18 months.
Plate loaded lever gym, half power rack, bench, 2.1 metre trap bar, safety squat bar, 2 ez-bars, dumbbells, an angled handle solid swiss bar. Donating everything i get to the homeless in Belfast. (Me and the misses do fund rising in are neck of the woods for that cause).

All i wanta be left with is my bastard bar, weights, 1.6 metre trap bar and GPP equipment. Ha, two cheap ajustable tressels i bought are much stronger and safer than the power rack. Hindsights a wonderful thing lol.

Thanks for your support
Best
Rob




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Average Al

sirloin wrote:

All i wanta be left with is my bastard bar, weights, 1.6 metre trap bar and GPP equipment. Ha, two cheap ajustable tressels i bought are much stronger and safer than the power rack. Hindsights a wonderful thing lol.




That is pretty minimalist, which has always held some appeal for me. So what will your menu of exercises look like? Various deadlifts and loaded carries are obviously on the list. What upper body lifts will you do? I'm also curious about how you use the tressels.

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sirloin

Average Al wrote:
sirloin wrote:

All i wanta be left with is my bastard bar, weights, 1.6 metre trap bar and GPP equipment. Ha, two cheap ajustable tressels i bought are much stronger and safer than the power rack. Hindsights a wonderful thing lol.




That is pretty minimalist, which has always held some appeal for me. So what will your menu of exercises look like? Various deadlifts and loaded carries are obviously on the list. What upper body lifts will you do? I'm also curious about how you use the tressels.



Hi Al,

Well, those exercises, i.e., various deadlifts and loaded carries are brillant upper body, grip, and core exercises in their own right, but pressing prowess is missing. So, various standing overhead presses are my main focus. I no longer bench, imo its the most overrated exercise in existence, whereas the standing OHP is one of the most underrated exercises...

I may salt in a light landine row, curl or tri extension here and there, but as an after thought.
Given that theres only so much juice in the tank, id rather put most of my energy into big full body lifts, holds or carries that will bring about the greatest change / improvements.

Yes, i use the building tressels for when i preform rack pulls / hand and thigh lift. Also for seated desdstart bicep curls (when i actually train them lol).

Best
Rob





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Chris H

sirloin wrote:
Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:

Ha, the very ones:)

Very true, "off the floor" lifts where (and still are) THE best test of full body strength.
Remember reading Eric Bugenhagan saying he did nothing but "OTF" lifts for 3 years straight, he said it took his full body strength to a whole other level.
To quote Dr Ken "bodybuilding was the worse thing to ever happen to strength training". How right he was!

Yeah, she trains on her days off work. She does the minimum amount of warming up for each lift / event. She'll also take a good 15-20 mins between each lift or event...as thats how long she'll get between events when competing. Its of course not for everyone (including me), but shes training specific to her goal.

Personally i prefer to cut my workouts in segments, training muiliple times per day, little and often. I only hit the gym once a week and train mostly in my home gym (now that summers over).
Even with 3-5 rests between working sets, am done n dusted in 15-30 minutes, so its not an enormous commitment.
I think gyms have preconditioned people into thinking they've gotta get everything done in a single sitting. Thats one of the beauties of having a home gym...as you know, you can "grip it and rip it" as many times per day / week as you like, with little disruption to your everyday life.

And on that note, its time for my second workout of the day...presses and rows:)

Best
Rob


Hi Rob,
An interesting way of working out there. The nearest I came to that was doing multiple sets of chins throughout the day.
Do we have to get everything done in one session? A short burst of lifting (say, 5-10 mins.) repeated 2-3 times a day shouldn't be too taxing. I seem to recall Paul Anderson resting as much as an hour between exercises but that's about the most I've seen.
As you wrote, with a home gym you should be able to at least try it. The worst thing I ever did was blindly follow the advice of the "experts", Mentzer in particular. Pick and choose.
Keep up the log. Great to see how you're progressing. I recall lifting on Nautilus machines years ago for 5 weeks and I loved them, but I can't relate to the poundage used or how it compares to free weights. Equally, hypertrophy is a nice bonus but strength's the name of the game.

Cheers,
Ray


Thats the thing mate, you can hit your key lifts fresh everytime, plus ive not experienced anywhere near the level of fatigue inspite of the poundages growing ever greater vs one main session with everything in it.

Hypertrophy; Im all it, myofibrillar hypertrophy that is. The remnants of heavy training in middle aged and older guys i know, who've since stopped training (in some cases for decades) still remain. However ive seen pumpers lose their "rented gains" within a matter of a month. Who's the real time wasters?

Machines / equipment; Of all the machines ive used, the simple plate loaded ones in the strongman gym are my favs.
Im actually in the process of selling and giving away equipment i bought for my home gym over the last 18 months.
Plate loaded lever gym, half power rack, bench, 2.1 metre trap bar, safety squat bar, 2 ez-bars, dumbbells, an angled handle solid swiss bar. Donating everything i get to the homeless in Belfast. (Me and the misses do fund rising in are neck of the woods for that cause).

All i wanta be left with is my bastard bar, weights, 1.6 metre trap bar and GPP equipment. Ha, two cheap ajustable tressels i bought are much stronger and safer than the power rack. Hindsights a wonderful thing lol.

Thanks for your support
Best
Rob






Hi Rob,

with all respect, i would advise you not to sell your kit yet.
You may regret it in the future.
Your body and goals can and will change.
I didn't use my SSB for a decage, then used it for 2 years straight, and again have not used it in 2 years, but likely will again.
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sirloin

Chris H wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:

Ha, the very ones:)

Very true, "off the floor" lifts where (and still are) THE best test of full body strength.
Remember reading Eric Bugenhagan saying he did nothing but "OTF" lifts for 3 years straight, he said it took his full body strength to a whole other level.
To quote Dr Ken "bodybuilding was the worse thing to ever happen to strength training". How right he was!

Yeah, she trains on her days off work. She does the minimum amount of warming up for each lift / event. She'll also take a good 15-20 mins between each lift or event...as thats how long she'll get between events when competing. Its of course not for everyone (including me), but shes training specific to her goal.

Personally i prefer to cut my workouts in segments, training muiliple times per day, little and often. I only hit the gym once a week and train mostly in my home gym (now that summers over).
Even with 3-5 rests between working sets, am done n dusted in 15-30 minutes, so its not an enormous commitment.
I think gyms have preconditioned people into thinking they've gotta get everything done in a single sitting. Thats one of the beauties of having a home gym...as you know, you can "grip it and rip it" as many times per day / week as you like, with little disruption to your everyday life.

And on that note, its time for my second workout of the day...presses and rows:)

Best
Rob


Hi Rob,
An interesting way of working out there. The nearest I came to that was doing multiple sets of chins throughout the day.
Do we have to get everything done in one session? A short burst of lifting (say, 5-10 mins.) repeated 2-3 times a day shouldn't be too taxing. I seem to recall Paul Anderson resting as much as an hour between exercises but that's about the most I've seen.
As you wrote, with a home gym you should be able to at least try it. The worst thing I ever did was blindly follow the advice of the "experts", Mentzer in particular. Pick and choose.
Keep up the log. Great to see how you're progressing. I recall lifting on Nautilus machines years ago for 5 weeks and I loved them, but I can't relate to the poundage used or how it compares to free weights. Equally, hypertrophy is a nice bonus but strength's the name of the game.

Cheers,
Ray


Thats the thing mate, you can hit your key lifts fresh everytime, plus ive not experienced anywhere near the level of fatigue inspite of the poundages growing ever greater vs one main session with everything in it.

Hypertrophy; Im all it, myofibrillar hypertrophy that is. The remnants of heavy training in middle aged and older guys i know, who've since stopped training (in some cases for decades) still remain. However ive seen pumpers lose their "rented gains" within a matter of a month. Who's the real time wasters?

Machines / equipment; Of all the machines ive used, the simple plate loaded ones in the strongman gym are my favs.
Im actually in the process of selling and giving away equipment i bought for my home gym over the last 18 months.
Plate loaded lever gym, half power rack, bench, 2.1 metre trap bar, safety squat bar, 2 ez-bars, dumbbells, an angled handle solid swiss bar. Donating everything i get to the homeless in Belfast. (Me and the misses do fund rising in are neck of the woods for that cause).

All i wanta be left with is my bastard bar, weights, 1.6 metre trap bar and GPP equipment. Ha, two cheap ajustable tressels i bought are much stronger and safer than the power rack. Hindsights a wonderful thing lol.

Thanks for your support
Best
Rob






Hi Rob,

with all respect, i would advise you not to sell your kit yet.
You may regret it in the future.
Your body and goals can and will change.
I didn't use my SSB for a decage, then used it for 2 years straight, and again have not used it in 2 years, but likely will again.


Hey Chris, you sound like my wife lol, I may well regret it ha. I actually bought the safety squat bar for preforming Hatfield overload squats but ive since gone off squats altogther. Ive two swiss bars, so losing one wont be too bad, same with my trap bars. But i might well keep the power rack, if only to hold all my weight plates.

Cheers Bud


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Was training my sis-in-law today and got a quick photo with the gym owner and 10th worlds strongest man over 40 Phil Morgan.

Hes 46, currently 340lb at 5'11.

He was telling me recently about his off season training, its very much HIT, minimalistic and intense. Irelands strongest man is next Easter, come the new year he'll begin building into the show, he'll be around 350-360lb.
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Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension














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StuKE

sirloin wrote:
Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension

Hi Rob
I have not been on this forum much in the last few months, but been rrading the last couoke of pages if this thread. Always enjoy your workout log along with Turpin's.
As it is a big thread, I wonder if you would summarize your background with lifting again?














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sirloin

StuKE wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension

Hi Rob
I have not been on this forum much in the last few months, but been rrading the last couoke of pages if this thread. Always enjoy your workout log along with Turpin's.
As it is a big thread, I wonder if you would summarize your background with lifting again?
















Hey Stuke,

Thank you. Surely can. I started training in the early 90s, i was greatly impressed by Jason Scott Lee's physique in the Dragon movie. Was also a big Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Ver Magnusson fan. It wasnt until 97-98 that i fully embraced HIT. It was a big step in the right direcrion, given all id done before hand was high volume and frequency training.

I trained in HIT style for 20 years, i.e., to failure on machines, controlled cadence, accentuated the negative etc. Unfortunately i bought into the notion that as you grow stronger you need to train more and more infrequently, cycling intensity would have been a better option, this being said, it wasnt wasted years, progress was made.

In recent years ive moved toward a focus on deadlifts, OHPs and loaded carries, pushes and drags, everything else is just gravy. My training is still intense with brief bursts of power and relatively infrequently. I no longer accentate the negative, rarely train to failure, i focus on lifting and holds. I prefer standing lifts / holds vs training seated on machines.

Since starting this log, i no longer require strong pain killers, blood pressure meds, nor anti depressant drugs. I just take a small daily asprin and the test ive added, but make no mistake, if any issues arise from the latter ill be straight off it.


Best
Rob


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sirloin wrote:
StuKE wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension

Hi Rob
I have not been on this forum much in the last few months, but been rrading the last couoke of pages if this thread. Always enjoy your workout log along with Turpin's.
As it is a big thread, I wonder if you would summarize your background with lifting again?



Hey Stuke,

Thank you. Surely can. I started training in the early 90s, i was greatly impressed by Jason Scott Lee's physique in the Dragon movie. Was also a big Jon Pall Sigmarsson and Magnus Ver Magnusson fan. It wasnt until 97-98 that i fully embraced HIT. It was a big step in the right direcrion, given all id done before hand was high volume and frequency training.

I trained in HIT style for 20 years, i.e., to failure on machines, controlled cadence, accentuated the negative etc. Unfortunately i bought into the notion that as you grow stronger you need to train more and more infrequently, cycling intensity would have been a better option, this being said, it wasnt wasted years, progress was made.

In recent years ive moved toward a focus on deadlifts, OHPs and loaded carries, pushes and drags, everything else is just gravy. My training is still intense with brief bursts of power and relatively infrequently. I no longer accentate the negative, rarely train to failure, i focus on lifting and holds. I prefer standing lifts / holds vs training seated on machines.

Since starting this log, i no longer require strong pain killers, blood pressure meds, nor anti depressant drugs. I just take a small daily asprin and the test ive added, but make no mistake, if any issues arise from the latter ill be straight off it.


Best
Rob




Congrats on your progress.

I had looked at the start of your log before, but it didn't register with me that you had done classic HIT for a long time, and that the strong man stuff was more recent.

Is there anything in particular that you credit for resolving the back pain? I know some folks swear that deadlifts cured their back pain. For myself, I think they help, but only if I am very strict about form and remain very conservative with weight selection. If not, then I am prone to hurting my back.

On the testosterone: How low had your level had gotten? Have you ever been evaluated for sleep apnea? I believe that sleep issues can kill your T level. An excess of body fat can also be a factor. And, since you have had a stroke, and are taking a daily aspirin (as a blood thinner?), be aware of the risk of elevated red blood cell count, since that can raise the risk of clots.
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sirloin wrote:
Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension



Hi Rob,
I think the thing that brasses most people off is the hypocrisy of certain lifters who never admit they're taking "supplementation" and pass themselves off as lifetime naturals. We all know that score and if your natural test. results proved low then go for it.
2ml over 4 days seems a low dosage too.
Let us know how this goes and what it does to your lifts. Credit for your honesty.

Cheers,
Ray
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Hi Al,

Many thanks. Yes i avoided deadlifts like the plague for many years, big mistake. Even better imo, is farmers walks, they got my core strong enough deadlift in the first place. Ive found farmers to be the best assistance exercise for deads.

Test and health. Yes, i take a daily aspirin, however in my case the stroke wasnt caused by a blood clot, it was my artery had gone into spasm, thus blocking blood flow to the brain. Its likely this was brought on by stress. I had been working long hrs at work, and was training in martial arts and weight training....plus binge drinking at weekends. At 24 i thought i was indestructible...how wrong i was lol.

My Test levels are "normal", but where slightly down on the last reading, too be honest i wanted to take things up a notch, if i want to compete in strongman or powerlifting meets, to be on a level playing field gear is a must. Ive weighed up the risks and done the research, and as with everything theres risks, i cant recall who said it, but it was said that everything is toxic, even water, its the dosage that makes the poison.

At a reasonably dosage (steroids), the negative side effects can be managed in different ways, its when people start taking silly amounts and dont cycle on or off or use a PCT that they get problems.

Thankfully no sleep apnea, but at 280lb at the moment, im surely carrying a bit too much fat lol, but heres the thing, when your trying to optimise strength and power, bodyfat levels are going to be a bit higher, a shot shot putter for example carries more fat than a sprinter. Its a double edged sword.

Thanks for the good advices though

Best
Rob

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Ray200 wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Honest post...

After thinking things over and researching for a few months, 2 weeks ago i decided to use injectable test400, injecting 2ml every 4 days. Decided against stacking it with an oral. Ill be cycling this 4-6 weeks on / 4 weeks off with a PCT.

Made this decision for a few reasons, one is because my natural test levels where slightly down due to the meds ive been on for over a decade. Not promoting it, but since starting ive had more energy, better labido, sleep better and am getting stronger and bigger...fast! As of yet ive experience no nasty side effects, but its early doors.

Home workout today...

Landmine viking press
Landmine row
BB curl
Lying EZ bar tri extension



Hi Rob,
I think the thing that brasses most people off is the hypocrisy of certain lifters who never admit they're taking "supplementation" and pass themselves off as lifetime naturals. We all know that score and if your natural test. results proved low then go for it.
2ml ever 4 days seems a low dosage too.
Let us know how this goes and what it does to your lifts. Credit for your honesty.

Cheers,
Ray


Hey Ray,

Thank you. As mentioned to Al, my natural test levels are ok (well, for a man in his 40s), just slightly down on last reading, but i want to see what a therapeutic dose of a test blend can do for my strength levels and overall feeling of well being. So far so good.

Yes, ive no time for fake nattys, the only people their fooling is naive kids. I had one kid argue with me one time, he believed the likes of CT Fletcher and Dbol Linn Bailey where full natty...because they said so lol.
It bugs me more when they try to chalk it up as having superior genetics aswell, I recall when Andreas Munzer died in the mid 90s, they found no less then 20 different substances in his system. That was 25 years ago, just imagine what it is now.

Cheers
Rob
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StuKE

Thanks for replying Rob. There is a lot of good information and interesting stuff in this thread.

One thing I think about quite a bit is how often we are told to lower the weights, train light and not to push it as we get older. But there is also something of an about turn, with some now realising the benefits of training pretty heavy when honk there is merit both ways, we have to play it by ear.

I think that if you feel you can handle it and are careful, why not train heavy? There are many benefits.

I like how you train with short sessions, but sometimes with two or more workouts in a day. This is great for me, because with full time work, kids with music lessons, turtoring snd orchestra, it's hard to find time. Take tonight - home from work, middle child music practice, then went to pick up the wife's new bike, ride it home, music practice for youngest... and then a bit of workout time - chest and arms in maybe 25 mins, before back in the house for tea.
The thing is, impart of me was thinking, what is the point of going in the garage (where my weights are) when I can't get a decent workout in? But then I thought, of course I can, just a shorter one!
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StuKE wrote:
Thanks for replying Rob. There is a lot of good information and interesting stuff in this thread.

One thing I think about quite a bit is how often we are told to lower the weights, train light and not to push it as we get older. But there is also something of an about turn, with some now realising the benefits of training pretty heavy when honk there is merit both ways, we have to play it by ear.

I think that if you feel you can handle it and are careful, why not train heavy? There are many benefits.

I like how you train with short sessions, but sometimes with two or more workouts in a day. This is great for me, because with full time work, kids with music lessons, turtoring snd orchestra, it's hard to find time. Take tonight - home from work, middle child music practice, then went to pick up the wife's new bike, ride it home, music practice for youngest... and then a bit of workout time - chest and arms in maybe 25 mins, before back in the house for tea.
The thing is, impart of me was thinking, what is the point of going in the garage (where my weights are) when I can't get a decent workout in? But then I thought, of course I can, just a shorter one!


Hey Stuke, cheers. Yes, i love training heavy, although sometimes youve got to curb the enthusiasm and lighten the load. Life to lift another day lol. Perhaps fiber type has something to do with it, one of my training partners can almost match me when it comes to strength endurance, but on max reps, doubles, triples etc, am way ahead.

Yes, in the summer months and hot weather, i prefer short but frequent workouts, often twice per day, if am at the gym and its boiling, ill preform an exercise or two, then go get an ice tea or something and return to finnish off the workout. Im quite lucky in that time isnt a big factor for me, but if it was theres a lot you can get done in 15-30 mins, might even be advantageous, given that your simulating but building up too much stress hormone.

Cool, didnt know thats what you did for a living, do you specialize in a particular instrument? Ive seen some ov Brians guitar videos, hes very good.

Best
Rob









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sirloin wrote:
StuKE wrote:
Thanks for replying Rob. There is a lot of good information and interesting stuff in this thread.

One thing I think about quite a bit is how often we are told to lower the weights, train light and not to push it as we get older. But there is also something of an about turn, with some now realising the benefits of training pretty heavy when honk there is merit both ways, we have to play it by ear.

I think that if you feel you can handle it and are careful, why not train heavy? There are many benefits.

I like how you train with short sessions, but sometimes with two or more workouts in a day. This is great for me, because with full time work, kids with music lessons, turtoring snd orchestra, it's hard to find time. Take tonight - home from work, middle child music practice, then went to pick up the wife's new bike, ride it home, music practice for youngest... and then a bit of workout time - chest and arms in maybe 25 mins, before back in the house for tea.
The thing is, impart of me was thinking, what is the point of going in the garage (where my weights are) when I can't get a decent workout in? But then I thought, of course I can, just a shorter one!

Hey Stuke, cheers. Yes, i love training heavy, although sometimes youve got to curb the enthusiasm and lighten the load. Life to lift another day lol. Perhaps fiber type has something to do with it, one of my training partners can almost match me when it comes to strength endurance, but on max reps, doubles, triples etc, am way ahead.

Yes, in the summer months and hot weather, i prefer short but frequent workouts, often twice per day, if am at the gym and its boiling, ill preform an exercise or two, then go get an ice tea or something and return to finnish off the workout. Im quite lucky in that time isnt a big factor for me, but if it was theres a lot you can get done in 15-30 mins, might even be advantageous, given that your simulating but building up too much stress hormone.

Cool, didnt know thats what you did for a living, do you specialize in a particular instrument? Ive seen some ov Brians guitar videos, hes very good.

Best
Rob


Ah, sorry probably was a bit misleading - I don't work in music, my 2 youngest play instrunents and are in orchestras. We have a teacher come round and on other nights I help with their practice.








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StuKE wrote:
sirloin wrote:
StuKE wrote:
Thanks for replying Rob. There is a lot of good information and interesting stuff in this thread.

One thing I think about quite a bit is how often we are told to lower the weights, train light and not to push it as we get older. But there is also something of an about turn, with some now realising the benefits of training pretty heavy when honk there is merit both ways, we have to play it by ear.

I think that if you feel you can handle it and are careful, why not train heavy? There are many benefits.

I like how you train with short sessions, but sometimes with two or more workouts in a day. This is great for me, because with full time work, kids with music lessons, turtoring snd orchestra, it's hard to find time. Take tonight - home from work, middle child music practice, then went to pick up the wife's new bike, ride it home, music practice for youngest... and then a bit of workout time - chest and arms in maybe 25 mins, before back in the house for tea.
The thing is, impart of me was thinking, what is the point of going in the garage (where my weights are) when I can't get a decent workout in? But then I thought, of course I can, just a shorter one!

Hey Stuke, cheers. Yes, i love training heavy, although sometimes youve got to curb the enthusiasm and lighten the load. Life to lift another day lol. Perhaps fiber type has something to do with it, one of my training partners can almost match me when it comes to strength endurance, but on max reps, doubles, triples etc, am way ahead.

Yes, in the summer months and hot weather, i prefer short but frequent workouts, often twice per day, if am at the gym and its boiling, ill preform an exercise or two, then go get an ice tea or something and return to finnish off the workout. Im quite lucky in that time isnt a big factor for me, but if it was theres a lot you can get done in 15-30 mins, might even be advantageous, given that your simulating but building up too much stress hormone.

Cool, didnt know thats what you did for a living, do you specialize in a particular instrument? Ive seen some ov Brians guitar videos, hes very good.

Best
Rob


Ah, sorry probably was a bit misleading - I don't work in music, my 2 youngest play instrunents and are in orchestras. We have a teacher come round and on other nights I help with their practice.










Ahh, i see, i had you down as an Eddie Van Halen lol.
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