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Medx Pullover Compared to Nautilus Pullover?
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Tridentine

Is the Medex pullover better than or similar to the Nauilus pullover?
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Rikus

Some anecdotal comments: I was lucky to use a few Nautilus Pullovers. I don't know which model, but they were old ones. The first one was my favourite. Had the single bar you gripped and elbow pads on the bar. It was right next to an assisted chip up station and I loved that pullover. The combination was great for putting on muscle.

While in London I got use MedX equipment. The MedX pullover had independent arms and it was a pit wobblier, and I struggled a bit with the strength curve. It didn't feel as nice as the single bar Nautilus Pullover. In my fantasy gym I'd have that old pullover, and wouldn't bother with the Medx.

Overall my thoughts on the Medx machines is that they were great machines, but no magical benefits came from them compared cables and free weights. I was able to grow either way. A dumbbell and cables are still pretty good.

But I love the Nautilus Pullover.
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MikaelPR

Well Tridentine, that's a timely question. I'm sitting on a plane on the tarmac in Phoenix where I just spent a week in 105 degree heat. While I was here I trained twice at Bill Crawford's mostly MedX facilty in Scottsdale. First, one of his non MedX pieces is a refurbished spider cam one seater Compound Position Biceps machine, like the one you're looking to trade for a 2 seater, which I own. After using both, I think I like the 2 seater better than mine, and mine is reduced friction with an improved cam. As far as the pullovers, each has its strong points (imo). I like the independent arm action of the MedX better than the Nautilus, but the divergent motion is too narrow at the top, constricts my chest. I'm 6-1, 205 and I don't consider myself particularly wide, and the Hammer version doesn't effect me this way. I also like the way the handles allow for the hands to be in a more vertical orientation, as opposed to the more perpendicular to the floor set up of the Nautilus piece. I can't decide which resistance curve I prefer. I definitely DONT like the more reclined seat on the MedX. I have owned a 2nd Gen pc and currently own a Power Plus plateloader, but overall I would prefer the MedX, to all Nautilus versions, but would rather have a Hammer Iso-lateral (I know you didn't ask)...
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indexit

Hi,

Don't forget that they made the "football" version of the MedX PO that had a wider seat frame.

I had a handful of clients over the years that the standard exercise version was too small for.

A lot of people told me the Avenger PO was pretty poor. But someone I know also swears by that unit as being the best. I don't think they made more than 8 of those... So on the rare side.

jeff
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indexit wrote:
Hi,

Don't forget that they made the "football" version of the MedX PO that had a wider seat frame.

I had hand a handful of clients over the years that the standard exercise version was too small for.

A lot of people told me the Avenger PO was pretty poor. But someone I know also swears by that unit as being the best. I don't think they made more than 8 of those... So on the rare side.

jeff


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MikaelPR

Hey Jeff
Good to hear from you! Actually thought about your comments re: friction and how " cable sucks, chain sucks, Kevlar sucks", etc. while using MedX machines for the first time in many years. I was surprised how spongey feeling even the pieces without belts were, especially the leg press and chest press. Makes me appreciate my Avenger Leg Press. I am going to start searching for the wider version of the MedX Pullover, think with some tweaking it might be near perfect for me.

I remember you saying you scrapped your lateral raise a while back, but that piece really works with my deranged shoulders. I had forgotten what a nice feeling and pump I got from using the MedX on -the -side hip and back until last week. He didn't have the on-the side leg curl, would have liked to try that one again, too. So, what is up with you, still working on the feedback stuff?
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MikaelPR wrote:
Hey Jeff
Good to hear from you! Actually thought about your comments re: friction and how " cable sucks, chain sucks, Kevlar sucks", etc. while using MedX machines for the first time in many years. I was surprised how spongey feeling even the pieces without belts were, especially the leg press and chest press. Makes me appreciate my Avenger Leg Press. I am going to start searching for the wider version of the MedX Pullover, think with some tweaking it might be near perfect for me.

I remember you saying you scrapped your lateral raise a while back, but that piece really works with my deranged shoulders. I had forgotten what a nice feeling and pump I got from using the MedX on -the -side hip and back until last week. He didn't have the on-the side leg curl, would have liked to try that one again, too. So, what is up with you, still working on the feedback stuff?


Hi Michael,

I have scrapped a fair number of Nautilus machines over the years, and a few well trashed MedX selectrized machines... Haven't taken an Avenger to the yard yet.(sorry if I miscommunicated that at some point?) At least a few years ago, ones I wanted to sell seemed to sell.

I have a pretty complete line of Avenger in storage along with a funky Avenger prototype dip/chest press. The lateral raise is way to wide for me personally. But those cam followers are just so cool on it I have kept the machine. No belts, and still cams, I always like the idea of cam followers.

You obviously are a bigger person and it makes sense that many of the Avengers would be a good fit for you. Maybe even the Avenger PO? I heard that machine was even too big for Texans who I had think owned two of them. They relocated the handles on the unit I bought by bolting them on with one bolt instead of two and moving them up a few inches.

The selectrized MedX PO needs new pulleys made with lips for the long links. In the stock machine the belts sometimes rub the long links because the stock pulleys have no lips. When that happens the belts get chewed up and you will feel the arm that is catching really dragging. It is pretty annoying. New pulleys in the long links fixes that.

You can make new cams for that machine if you like. I think the stock curve is "safe". But it may not be the best curve for stimulus.

I have been working pretty hard on the software feed back project and making progress. At the point of having software builds that can be deployed on the newer code structure we have been working on for the last couple of years.

There was a pretty difficult module of the program that took about a year to build and have working. Having that software module working led into the next project we are working on. Something I hadn't planned on ever doing because I thought it was too much of reach expense/code wise. Realized last January I could use much of that module for the new project.

We teamed up with a University and did a senior design project with that idea. We din't really didn't move the ball very far forward with that, and now I am using more professional resources for that project.

One thing... leads to another. And ideas/concepts really take a long time to turn into something or often into nothing at all.

It has been an interesting adventure working on that software, and the hardware to make the system run.

I occasionally see posts from you on FB and check on your FB pages. Looks like you are doing well.

jeff
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