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hit4me

Florida, USA

what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?

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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

FAT-LOSS: No supplement, nor drug, will assist in this endeavor better than the 1-pound of fat-loss per day that isn't uncommon, although APPETITE-SUPPRESSION might be achieved with a very limited amount of time for its effectiveness! For example, I drank green-tea in the amount of 10-cups (and sometimes more than 10-cups) with me actually feeling hungrier!

APPETITE-SUPPRESSION: I've been on a few medications with not much luck, although a recent discovery did underscore an experience that I had with decreased appetite, which was eating steak that isn't normal for me, as I'm not a big meat-eater. Despite my opinion, recent research has shown that "sirloin steak" activate tanycytes in our brains that explain some people feeling fuller for a longer period of time than consuming other foodstuffs. Nevertheless, other foods have been found to do similar.

QUOTE: {{{{{ These amino acids are found in high concentration in foods such as pork shoulder, beef sirloin steak, chicken, mackerel, plums, apricots, avocadoes, lentils and almonds -- so eating those foods will activate the tanycytes and make you feel less hungry quicker. }}}}}

RECOVERY: One of the members of my family is a survivor of cancer, and I was surprised when prescribed L-Glutamine by her oncologist in 2000-2001 to help speed recovery during treatments of "chemo" & radiation, and it appeared to work. In 2004, my family-member had such a sever infection that a hand was in danger of being amputated, although the team of doctors, surgeons, nurses & therapists were able to save the hand. However, the experience had my family-member devoid of energy, of which L-Glutamine assisted once again in recovery along with extra magnesium & Vitamin-C that was required to regrow the tissues of the hand & wrist!

RECOVERY, PART-II: Coffee probably will assist, although not to be used as a stimulant to prolong work that will only result in further fatigue! The reason that coffee will assist is that it serves the liver that itself is behind much of the so-called "recovery system" that (in my view) is a product of cellular-metabolism, immune-response and other topics best read in textbooks. However, dumping a bunch of supplements into one's body will also defeat the positive benefits reaped from having healthy kidneys & liver!

RESOURCES:

https://www.webmd.com/...with-diabetes#1

https://www.webmd.com/...fee-live-longer

SOURCE:

"Brain cells that control appetite identified for first time"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/...70927093254.htm
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Tridentine

Cow liver tablets,
Whey protein.
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BennyAnthonyOfKC

Missouri, USA

QUOTING MYSELF: ".....better than the 1-pound of fat-loss per day that isn't uncommon....."

I'd like to expand my meaning, because I'd meant that DIETING may result in the "better than the 1-pound of fat-loss per day"!

Also, I'd like to elaborate upon my drinking of at least 10-cups of green-tea, my habit of this began in late-2003, then ceasing in January of 2010. I'd not stopped drinking for any particular reason, except that the habituation of preparing the green-tea, and the drinking of the green-eat, became too much for me to maintain. Nevertheless, while the green-tea didn't provide even an modicum of appetite-suppression, the green-tea did impart at least one benefit for me, Benny Anthony, personally! However, I'll explain that, perhaps, in another posting, as that one benefit isn't particularly pertinent here.

TEXT FROM CARTOON:
"You are what you eat? I need to eat a skinny person!"
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
Unless your body has a problem assimilating certain substances or you eat poorly there is no need for supplements.
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sonny153

Interesting post.. I've read that although Glutamine can help with some medical conditions, it doesn't help with bodybuilding. Have you tried it and what was your experience? Its cheap enough to give a shot if its worthwhile. Also interesting take on coffee.
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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?



The grass fed whey is great for appetite suppression, i find away, but i dont really see it as a supplement.
Predigested BCAA's pre and post workout with a little sugar have improved my recovery rate somewhat, magnesium has also improved the quility of my sleep, resulting again in a better recovery rate.

Now i dont want to mislead you, when i say "improved" my recovery rate, its marginal. So if your on a budget, i wouldnt bother.

Best
Rob

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sirloin

Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.


==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?
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sirloin

entsminger wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.

==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?


15 degrees lol, takes the fricken breath right outta ya!! I do a few donks. I dread it everytime, but when its over you feel great.

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PTDaniel

hit4me wrote:
what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?



I don't think any supplements are necessary, otherwise i wouldn't label them supplements. I've used ephedrine and caffeine to aid fat loss. Yohimbine HCL works well too if you know how to use it. They are all stimulants with noticeable negative side effects like increased heart rate and increased blood pressure, nausea, irritability, etc. you will experience to varying degrees depending on your sensitivity. For instance yohimbine will give me extreme insomnia at even low doses. Even a strong fat burner is only going to increase your daily caloric expenditure by 100 - 150 calories. I don't see them as particularly useful unless you are starting to tap into your essential stores of body fat and trying to get absolutely shredded. They can't replace a good diet and exercise regimen. Most people aren't getting so low in body fat that they will make a significant difference.

Specific to muscle building, creatine monohydrate is the only supplement I've found worthwhile. When I was younger, I used to spend hundreds of dollars a pop on various supplements and almost all of them were a complete bust.
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backtrack

Most fat loss supplements raise your metabolism, make you more alert and hyperactive. I would stay away from too much caffeine or similar substances. They can cause hypertension, irregular heart beat, and cause sleep problems, which is actually one of the best ways to loose weight. I would recommend against 10 cups of green tea per day. I would also cut off taking any stimulants by 3pm at the latest. The earlier the better. Maca root is a good supplement without acting like caffeine, no jitters. Eat foods that enrich your gut bacteria. Stay away from refined sugar and too many refined carbs. Avoid stress that has no positive outcomes.

Before I start weight training I like to take some L-Arginine. This helps get my circulation going. Afterwards, I tend to eat grapes which I like, so no after supplementation.

For both fat loss and muscle recovery make sleep a priority. Get a decent massage or have a good soak in the bath. Don't overdo the gym. I find muscles respond better with coaxing to being forced. If ever in doubt focus on form and train not to failure. Favor lighter weights with a greater emphasis on mind muscle connection.
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Lioncourt

hit4me wrote:
what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?



Necessary... certainly none are. Some make it easier and have stood the test of time. The ephedrine and caffeine stack for dieting really helps with hunger and gives a small metabolic boost. Creatine for muscle building is about the only one ever shown to work.
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Frank Scott

Dan said it. Lighter weights, focus, form.

Unless you are the highwayman
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Frank Scott wrote:
Dan said it. Lighter weights, focus, form.

Unless you are the highwayman


what do you mean by lighter weights and what is the rep range?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?



Necessary... certainly none are. Some make it easier and have stood the test of time. The ephedrine and caffeine stack for dieting really helps with hunger and gives a small metabolic boost. Creatine for muscle building is about the only one ever shown to work.


necessary may have been the wrong word to chose
I just started taking whey and CLA and BCAAs...will try for a few months to see if I get any results in fat loss...also just started having 5 snacks a day instead of meals (portion control)
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hit4me

Florida, USA

sirloin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.

==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?

15 degrees lol, takes the fricken breath right outta ya!! I do a few donks. I dread it everytime, but when its over you feel great.



15 degrees, are you nuts...I live in south florida and will not go in the ocean unless its 80 degrees, lol

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Frank Scott

hit4me
For me it was ceasing from heaving and straining, more concentrated control.
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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
what supplements do you all think is necessary for muscle repair and fat loss?



Necessary... certainly none are. Some make it easier and have stood the test of time. The ephedrine and caffeine stack for dieting really helps with hunger and gives a small metabolic boost. Creatine for muscle building is about the only one ever shown to work.

necessary may have been the wrong word to chose
I just started taking whey and CLA and BCAAs...will try for a few months to see if I get any results in fat loss...also just started having 5 snacks a day instead of meals (portion control)


Sounds like a plan. Good luck.
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g0ld3nuncw

North Carolina, USA

I've lost about 12 lbs in the last 3 months. (237 to 225). Started a spreadsheet and put down everything I eat along with the calories. You have to know how many calories a day that you eat that will maintain your weight. I weigh at the same time every day. Then if I take in less calories I lose, more and I gain.
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sirloin

hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.

==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?

15 degrees lol, takes the fricken breath right outta ya!! I do a few donks. I dread it everytime, but when its over you feel great.



15 degrees, are you nuts...I live in south florida and will not go in the ocean unless its 80 degrees, lol



Lol, i love the cold, theres a group that go swimming every Sunday morning in the rock pools of our mountains...year round, rain, hale or snow. Thinking of joining lol.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Frank Scott wrote:
hit4me
For me it was ceasing from heaving and straining, more concentrated control.


oh ok, totally agree

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.

==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?

15 degrees lol, takes the fricken breath right outta ya!! I do a few donks. I dread it everytime, but when its over you feel great.



15 degrees, are you nuts...I live in south florida and will not go in the ocean unless its 80 degrees, lol



---Scott---
I don't know where this 15 degrees came from ? Did you mean 50? Short of falling off the Titanic I don't know how one could get into 15 degree water if that's even possible? I think it would kill you almost instantly. Im talking about jumping in a pool at from 57 to 65 or so degrees .
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Crotalus

Dan_The_man wrote:

Before I start weight training I like to take some L-Arginine. This helps get my circulation going. .


Make it even better by adding L-Citrulline Malate to it ... really enhance the pump. My pre workout drink I make with arginine, citrulline, some sugar free cherry flavoring, lemon juice and a dash of cayenne pepper.
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sirloin

entsminger wrote:
hit4me wrote:
sirloin wrote:
entsminger wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Should also mention that i find cold plunges ease any doms. I take one or two a week.

==Scott==
How cold are you talking about? If I remember correctly I think Dr. Darden spoke of plunging in 50 degree water? That's damn cold! I live in Va. and I'm taking plunges in my home pool just because I like the feeling and the water right now is around 65 or so and it feels cold enough to stop your heart! I can't imagine what 50 feels like? Like a polar bear swim?

15 degrees lol, takes the fricken breath right outta ya!! I do a few donks. I dread it everytime, but when its over you feel great.



15 degrees, are you nuts...I live in south florida and will not go in the ocean unless its 80 degrees, lol



---Scott---
I don't know where this 15 degrees came from ? Did you mean 50? Short of falling off the Titanic I don't know how one could get into 15 degree water if that's even possible? I think it would kill you almost instantly. Im talking about jumping in a pool at from 57 to 65 or so degrees .


You's must go by farenheit, wereas we here use celcuis, so i think were in the same ball park as far as temp go lol.
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