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S.M.Punisher

Paul Watson got a lot of heat for this:

https://www.youtube.com/...2&v=FTSvLKY7HEk

(The Truth About Soy Boys)

What say the panel here?

If you don't want to watch the video it's about soy products allegedly raising estrogen in men.

Without having the knowledge to declare yay or nay myself, I will steer well clear of soy because it costs me nothing not to risk it.

Also, for protein powders, I noticed that many of the cheeper formulas where I live are 50-50 blends of whey and soy... :O
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sirloin

Hey P,

I was on a plant based diet for a lengthy period, but soy is one thing i never went for even though it was cheap. I preferred a rice, hemp and pea protein combo. This being said, during the same period i spoke with many indivduals on PBD's that had a high soy consumption, they reported having no issues. These days i prefer unflavoured grass fed whey produced at low temps :)
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hit4me

Florida, USA

the soy that we are eating from the stores are not the same soy that the Okinawans are eating

just like the wheat we are consuming today is not the same wheat our parents and grandparents ate.

plants are being genetically modified or hybridized with other plants, which is now being said to cause a lot of health issues today that were very scarce back in the old days





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S.M.Punisher

Sirloin, I have never heard of anything like that, a pea protein and hemp combo... But it sounds interesting. How did it work for you? And the taste? Did you make it yourself?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

S.M.Punisher wrote:
Sirloin, I have never heard of anything like that, a pea protein and hemp combo... But it sounds interesting. How did it work for you? And the taste? Did you make it yourself?


the vitamin stores are full of different brands of this combination of vegetable proteins
tastes very gritty and takes some getting used to
I stopped protein powders, makes me bloated

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sirloin

S.M.Punisher wrote:
Sirloin, I have never heard of anything like that, a pea protein and hemp combo... But it sounds interesting. How did it work for you? And the taste? Did you make it yourself?


Yeah, made it myself. A scoop of each, i.e., rice, hemp and pea isolates. Each has different amino profiles. All where unflavoured, but i added a good heeped spoonful of cacao to liven it up. Was actually quite a nice taste. I bought them from a UK site called pulsin.
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sonny153

I use soy milk all the time and tofu a few times a week and have never noticed anything negative and in fact I seem to get harder looking when I use soy products but thats not why I use them, I just happen to like the taste of them.
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Nwlifter

So peas and rope blended in a glass? lol
Sounds.... tasty lol

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sirloin

Nwlifter wrote:
So peas and rope blended in a glass? lol
Sounds.... tasty lol



No, rice, Pea and hemp seed protein isolate POWDERS. You can also get sunflower seed protein isolate powder, and of course soya isolate powder. There all unflavoured.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

recently I saw somewhere on the net that the two worst things to eat other than sugar and wheat...was corn and soy

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Nwlifter

sirloin wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
So peas and rope blended in a glass? lol
Sounds.... tasty lol



No, rice, Pea and hemp seed protein isolate POWDERS. You can also get sunflower seed protein isolate powder, and of course soya isolate powder. There all unflavoured.


I know I was just joking since they use hemp to make ropes lol
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sirloin

Nwlifter wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
So peas and rope blended in a glass? lol
Sounds.... tasty lol



No, rice, Pea and hemp seed protein isolate POWDERS. You can also get sunflower seed protein isolate powder, and of course soya isolate powder. There all unflavoured.

I know I was just joking since they use hemp to make ropes lol


Lol, sorry, am not the fastest car on the track:)
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backtrack

I was buying these protein bread rolls from a budget supermarket in the UK...

Cheap to buy, tasted great, left me feeling full quickly and really cheap. 360 win.

A couple of weeks of munching on these things I could feel my libido drop. I wasn't sure what it was at first but I thought what goes into these bread rolls to give them so much protein. Soy.

With a heavy heart I promptly discontinued eating these things and within a week I felt back to normal.

The moral of the story whatever it may be, if something seems to good to be true - it usually is.
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Nwlifter

sirloin wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Nwlifter wrote:
So peas and rope blended in a glass? lol
Sounds.... tasty lol



No, rice, Pea and hemp seed protein isolate POWDERS. You can also get sunflower seed protein isolate powder, and of course soya isolate powder. There all unflavoured.

I know I was just joking since they use hemp to make ropes lol

Lol, sorry, am not the fastest car on the track:)


lol, no sorry, no worries :)
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simon-hecubus

Texas, USA

hit4me wrote:
recently I saw somewhere on the net that the two worst things to eat other than sugar and wheat...was corn and soy


Go back to your own previous statement: The ____ of today is not the same ___ of previous generations.
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Equity

I'm not veggie by any means Dan but how can you be sure?

I'm asking just in case you're right and I fall into the same trap.

Regards.
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backtrack

It's just my experience Equity.

You might try it and find everything feels the same.

For me all other things were equal, typical food consumption, alcohol consumption, usual stress levels - everything.

I always take the same approach, if something has changed in terms of my health or mental well-being I track back to the last new thing I introduced into my life. Either through what I eat, a new thought pattern or lifestyle choice.
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HeavyHitter32

Soy lecithin is used in almost all protein powders. However, the amount is probably too minuscule to cause any potential issues.

I don't eat soy myself, but are there studies actually showing it reduces T levels or is it just speculation?
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Equity

Dan_The_man wrote:
It's just my experience Equity.

You might try it and find everything feels the same.

For me all other things were equal, typical food consumption, alcohol consumption, usual stress levels - everything.

I always take the same approach, if something has changed in terms of my health or mental well-being I track back to the last new thing I introduced into my life. Either through what I eat, a new thought pattern or lifestyle choice.


I'm considering reducing my animal product consumption in order to reduce my overall fat (esp. Sat Fat) intake. Thus possibly considering soy products or something else plant based to fill the protein void left by this.

I'm the same with tracking back what I did differently whether the outcome is good or bad.

Thanks!
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backtrack

Soy to me just doesn't seem like a natural product. None of my ancestors would have consumed it.

There's other vegetarian/vegan high protein alternatives we have in the UK made from fungus which have a tendency to trigger ibs.
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