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LukeCarlson

The 2018 Resistance Exercise Conference is slated for March 9th and 10th in Minneapolis https://www.resistanceexercise...

Our key note speakers include:
? Dr. James Fisher, Southampton Solent University
? Dr. Ted Dreisinger, Exercise Physiologist and low back pain researcher
? Mike Gittleson, 30-year head strength coach (former), University of Michigan
? Robert Morton, PHD Candidate at McMcaster University and lead author on the well-known high load/low load research (late 2016).
? Dr. Michelle Segar, Exercise motivation expert and author of ?No Sweat?
In addition, Brandon Jonker will be giving a presentation that will reveal, for the first time, the results of our study on repetition duration (speed) in which we had 3 separate groups: (1) 10-10 cadence; (2) 30-30-30; and (3) 2-4 cadence train to muscle failure with supervision. This is the largest study ever conducted contrasting repetition duration and we are excited to look at and discuss the results. Additionally, the conference includes numerous breakout sessions, a social on Friday night, and an early morning workout at Discover Strength.
Perhaps just as valuable, this conference serves as the annual gathering of strength training and HIT practitioners to come together to share stories, learn from each other, and understand how to grow one?s personal training practice. It?s my favorite 1.5 day of the year and I look forward to meeting many of you and learning alongside you. Don't hesitate to message me or email me with questions.
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Resultsbased

This sounds very exciting - especially regarding repetition cadence. My money is on the 2/4!

I will try to attend.
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Average Al

I too will be interested in the study on rep speed. Was this done with the guys from England (Fisher and Steele)? Will the study eventually be posted on Research Gate?
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

My money is on a more rhythmic cadence, such as 2/2, at least in regard to hypertrophy. Curious to know how they accounted for genetic anomalies, since you never know when someone with the potential to build muscle and strength could be in one group and not another. Things don't always 'even out,' which makes the results precarious to say the least.
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Resultsbased

I'm very much looking forward to hearing the outcome of this study. All 3 of these groups were slow. I've never seen a bodybuilder use anything slower than around 1/1, so maybe there's something to this rythmic training for hypertrophy.
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Resultsbased

I'm very much looking forward to hearing the outcome of this study. All 3 of these groups were slow. I've never seen a bodybuilder use anything slower than around 1/1, so maybe there's something to this rythmic training for hypertrophy.
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ATP 4 Vitality

I hope the program will not be as biased against aerobics as the Discover Strength web site "fit tips" are, especially those that depict cardio as exercise not conducive to fat loss....or that resistance exercise increases cardio compliance much like aerobic exercise certainly does.

IOW.....there are credibility issues here.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

=== Scott===
I wish they'd have one of those conferences in the Washington DC area. If anything they should have weight loss conferences in Minn. I have relatives up there and when we go to visit it seems more than half the population is hugely overweight, ha ha.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott===
If I had any money I'd put it on 2-2 or 2-4 for hypertrophy but it seems the latest kick is up in the 30 30 range so I should put my money there.
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LukeCarlson

Average Al wrote:
I too will be interested in the study on rep speed. Was this done with the guys from England (Fisher and Steele)? Will the study eventually be posted on Research Gate?


Yes, James Fisher and James Steele as well as Dr Wayne Westcott will serve as coauthors to this study.
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backtrack

I don't understand why any set cadence would be used for every exercise. Surely it's dependent on what exercise you are doing?
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LukeCarlson

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
I hope the program will not be as biased against aerobics as the Discover Strength web site "fit tips" are, especially those that depict cardio as exercise not conducive to fat loss....or that resistance exercise increases cardio compliance much like aerobic exercise certainly does.

IOW.....there are credibility issues here.



We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).
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Resultsbased

Dan_The_man wrote:
I don't understand why any set cadence would be used for every exercise. Surely it's dependent on what exercise you are doing?


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Fair point, but without those parameters, how can anything be compared to anything else?
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HeavyHitter32

Brian Johnston wrote:
My money is on a more rhythmic cadence, such as 2/2, at least in regard to hypertrophy.


This is where I think it's at too!
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hit4me

Florida, USA

LukeCarlson wrote:
Average Al wrote:
I too will be interested in the study on rep speed. Was this done with the guys from England (Fisher and Steele)? Will the study eventually be posted on Research Gate?

Yes, James Fisher and James Steele as well as Dr Wayne Westcott will serve as coauthors to this study.


is this study or conference going to be on youtube?...as I would love the hear what Dr. Westcott has to say

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ATP 4 Vitality

LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).


In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


===Scott===
I'm sorry maybe I've missed something but I haven't seen any bias so far?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


===Scott===
I'm sorry maybe I've missed something but I haven't seen any bias so far?
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Average Al

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


Which of his FIT tips do you have an issue with?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


===Scott===
Yes he admits he likes cardio but I see that as honesty not so much as biased .
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ATP 4 Vitality

Average Al wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


Which of his FIT tips do you have an issue with?


Look at his web site...... cardio
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Average Al

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Average Al wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


Which of his FIT tips do you have an issue with?

Look at his web site...... cardio


I did. I'm trying to figure out what you saw that set you off. I didn't see anything to indicate that they discourage people from doing cardio, nor did I find anything which said that cardio or endurance training was useless or unnecessary.

Consider this:

The name of the company is Discover STRENGTH.

The title of the fitness tips page is "Get STRONGER with fit tips".

The one service they provide is STRENGTH training.

If you have heard any interviews with Carlson, a core feature of his approach to business is FOCUS. Do one thing, and do it well. In this case, that means providing highly efficient STRENGTH training for his clients.

They don't provide nutritional counseling. They don't provide coaching or counseling on improving the quality of sleep. They don't provide marriage counseling, or massages or life coaching, or psychological counseling or do taxes or help you manage your finances or walk your dog, even though all those other things are important too. They are STRENGTH trainers.

You want a lot of advice on cardio or endurance training? You are looking in the wrong place.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Average Al wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
LukeCarlson wrote:


We (and I personally) like Cardio; in fact, I?m an avid marathon runner. However we are also very familiar with the findings of preponderance of research on the topic and we have the professional responsibility to share this research (not our opinions).

In this instance, you seem clearly biased. I can not imagine any reputable authority on cardiovascular conditioning wanting to share any stage with you and the type of printed statements in your fit tips. I am not your enemy, for I like HIT, but keep it real on aerobics. Then, and only then, will respect come your way. Far too long has HIT opinion on cardio superseded actual research. Please do not fall into this abyss.


Which of his FIT tips do you have an issue with?

Look at his web site...... cardio


===Scott==
So I looked at Luke's web site and it seems to make good sense. I don't agree that cardio won't work for losing weight, it works great for me to lose weight. If I feel I'm getting pudgy I just add some regular cardio and soon I've trimmed down a little. When I was doing triathlons and running I could eat all day and not gain an ounce and I tend to the heavy side , not the skinny side. Now doing cardio as the main reason to lose weight is probably wrong because the number one reason should be doing cardio is for your lungs and heart etc. If you really have a weight problem don't eat so damn much. There's too much emphasis on losing weight on these forums. Just stop eating so much crap and get off your duff in the office, most people with very active jobs / lives don't weigh 300 pounds, ha ha .
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ATP 4 Vitality

Average Al wrote:
You want a lot of advice on cardio or endurance training? You are looking in the wrong place.


Then.."....why articles on cardio?.......

Cardio exercise may be the best fat burner......it was for myself....and there are plenty of studies and empirical evidence to show his fit tips are baloney.

Furthermore, there is abundance of evidence that shows weight lifting per se causes ventricular hypertrophy, and Stiffens arteries.....but he drags one study from Brazil that contradicts the preponderance of evidence of known science where the subjects may be even on steroids.....and who knows what other discrepancies......so goes HIT.
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backtrack

Resultsbased wrote:
Dan_The_man wrote:
I don't understand why any set cadence would be used for every exercise. Surely it's dependent on what exercise you are doing?

______

Fair point, but without those parameters, how can anything be compared to anything else?



By the same logic how can you compare anything to anything if the same cadence is being used for every exercise regardless of whether it is appropriate to that exercise.

An easy way to solve this would be to have a 4th group who trains to failure on each exercise without a set cadence. Assuming they are training to failure. They have their cadence measured, but don't have to work to a set cadence, just to failure.

I think that would make for much more interesting results.

Looks like an echo chamber waiting to happen...
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