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Jesse Lee Otis

I just read an old Iron Man article by Arthur Jones in which he describes a machine that sounds like it's a combination leg-extension/hip & back machine. Even though I am well acquainted with the individual machines mentioned, I had never heard of a machine that had both of them built into one unit until I read that article.

Does anyone here know about that machine ? Any info appreciated.

Jesse
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Jesse
This machine was never built.

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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
I just read an old Iron Man article by Arthur Jones in which he describes a machine that sounds like it's a combination leg-extension/hip & back machine. Even though I am well acquainted with the individual machines mentioned, I had never heard of a machine that had both of them built into one unit until I read that article.

Does anyone here know about that machine ? Any info appreciated.

Jesse


The final breakthrough. I asked the same question on here in 2013. If you have facebook PM me. I will show you what happened to it with the whole back story.

Michael
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Jesse

Michael has more than a good answer to your question, you won't be disappointed.
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Jesse Lee Otis

Thanks to both of you for the info.

Michael, I don't have Facebook. Can I send you an email instead ?

JLO
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
Thanks to both of you for the info.

Michael, I don't have Facebook. Can I send you an email instead ?

JLO


Let me know if this link works. Another friend who doesn't have facebook was able to view it.

https://www.facebook.com/...623591624357412

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
Thanks to both of you for the info.

Michael, I don't have Facebook. Can I send you an email instead ?

JLO


Let me know if this link works. Another friend who doesn't have facebook was able to view it.

https://www.facebook.com/...623591624357412

Michael
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ATP 4 Vitality

Michael Petrella wrote:
Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
Thanks to both of you for the info.

Michael, I don't have Facebook. Can I send you an email instead ?

JLO

Let me know if this link works. Another friend who doesn't have facebook was able to view it.

Michael




Michael,

Dude,

Outstanding machine...and video!
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ATP 4 Vitality

Could not a combo leg curl and abdominal clam shell do the same for the other side?
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Jesse Lee Otis

Thanks ever so much, Michael. The link came through fine and I read your article, the price list and watched the video (watched several times and will do so more as I mull over what all is happening during the exercise). I know that I will have additional questions - and hope that you don't mind and will answer.

My timeline on your work on that machine is off. Did Arthur ever see it - or did he pass away before you and Simon built it and put it to use in your gym ?

JLO
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Jesse Lee Otis

You are absolutely right; I very much enjoy the article and the video.

JLO
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Michael Petrella wrote:
Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
Thanks to both of you for the info.

Michael, I don't have Facebook. Can I send you an email instead ?

JLO

Let me know if this link works. Another friend who doesn't have facebook was able to view it.

Michael



Michael,

Dude,

Outstanding machine...and video!


Thank you very much sir. In regards to your other post yes I am sure such a machine could be made and was also suggested by someone on facebook. We would have to prototype it to see how it would work and take care of the issues that may arise but it is plausible.

Michael
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
Thanks ever so much, Michael. The link came through fine and I read your article, the price list and watched the video (watched several times and will do so more as I mull over what all is happening during the exercise). I know that I will have additional questions - and hope that you don't mind and will answer.

My timeline on your work on that machine is off. Did Arthur ever see it - or did he pass away before you and Simon built it and put it to use in your gym ?

JLO


I talked to Kim Wood and Boyer Coe and they believe they saw a prototype back in the day but that would have been over 40 years ago. Dr. Darden commented Arthur thought done properly is may be too intense. Jim Flanagan commented to me that the idea eventually evolved in the Duo-Squat. A machine that in it's own right is extremely intense.

I started buying machines, training people in 06 and Arthur passed in 07. He sadly did not get to see the machine but I based it off his designs and the articles he wrote. We used the same angles, cam profiles and even weight stacks that he used. We had a large list of issues to overcome to make it work right. It would have been twice as long though had we not used heavy influence from the issues Arthur had already solved.

Michael
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Jesse Lee Otis

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Jesse

Michael has more than a good answer to your question, you won't be disappointed.


Spidercam -- Thanks for the input. You are absolutely right about Michael having a great answer. I replied to you earlier but because I haven't figured out how to reply to individual posters it went into the general thread - so I hope you didn't think that I was ignoring your comment.

Thanks again.


Jesse


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Jesse Lee Otis

Michael -- Wow; you talk to some big names in the system what with asking Flanagan, Wood and Coe. Where is Boyer at these days, anyway ?

The combo machine that you and Simon built looks VERY much like an authentic Nautilus machine - right down to the blue color.

I have thought quite a bit about that machine's functionality and imagine that its seat belt has to be very heavy-duty; the leg extension can cause the thighs and hips (and thus the entire torso) to raise off seat, and the back extension can cause the hips to move forward and upward - depending on what part of the ROM the back is at the time. Also, the back extension movement requires participation by the muscles of the rear thigh & buttocks in order for the back to go toward extension; I don't see how the hams & glutes come into play when the quads are straightening out the lower legs in the leg extension movement at the same time the back extension movement is in progress. It seems to me that the machine does not allow the necessary 'anchor' muscles & bodyparts to allow full force to be exerted on either movement. How do the movements during exercise on the machine feel ? Are they a bit awkward? Just curious here.

Jesse
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Crotalus

Michael Petrella wrote:
Darden commented Arthur thought done properly is may be too intense..
Michael


I remember reading years ago that there was another machine ( another version of the pullover maybe ? ) that Jones made that he felt was too intense and could cause injury so they dug a hole buried it so nobody would get to it. Anyone remember hearing about this ?

This article might have been from Dr. Ken as I remember him saying he tried to convince Arthur to let him take it back to NY with the promise that only he would use it and nobody else ... but jones didn't go for it.
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Michael Petrella

Ontario, CAN

Crotalus wrote:
Michael Petrella wrote:
Darden commented Arthur thought done properly is may be too intense..
Michael

I remember reading years ago that there was another machine ( another version of the pullover maybe ? ) that Jones made that he felt was too intense and could cause injury so they dug a hole buried it so nobody would get to it. Anyone remember hearing about this ?

This article might have been from Dr. Ken as I remember him saying he tried to convince Arthur to let him take it back to NY with the promise that only he would use it and nobody else ... but jones didn't go for it.


If I was going to take a guess I'd say it was the Duo-Poly Pullover. Only a few ever got made and if you did it Akinitic you would be able to dig the hole as deep as you wanted.

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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

Michael,

WOW! A really cool, interesting machine. You guys did a great job putting it together. Professional looking job. I know Gittleson pretty well. What did he have to say about it? It's a really interesting concept, working a lot of musculature in one exercise without compression forces on the spine.

How about the "Super Leg and Back" or the "Total Leg /Back"?

Scott
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Crotalus

Michael Petrella wrote:
If I was going to take a guess I'd say it was the Duo-Poly Pullover. Only a few ever got made and if you did it Akinitic you would be able to dig the hole as deep as you wanted.
Michael


Can you explain this machine in some detail ?
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ATP 4 Vitality

I leave you all with a question. What do we call it?

The Howard Rotary Squat
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kurtvf

How about a photo without navigating away? I'm deployed with the military in a third world country and can't get any of the links to work and I really don't care to use Facebook...
As far as being "Too intense" I don't know if there is such a thing. I thought the Jones/HIT philosophy was that more intensity is always better. The story about burying the machine sounds like fantasy (like the Ray Mentzer 900lb squat). I'm sure if Jones could make it and people would buy it than
it would have been made.
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kurtvf

How about a photo without navigating away? I'm deployed with the military in a third world country and can't get any of the links to work and I really don't care to use Facebook...
As far as being "Too intense" I don't know if there is such a thing. I thought the Jones/HIT philosophy was that more intensity is always better. The story about burying the machine sounds like fantasy (like the Ray Mentzer 900lb squat). I'm sure if Jones could make it and people would buy it than
it would have been made.
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ATP 4 Vitality

A combo Nautilus duo-squat and iso-lateral pull down equipped with akinetic devices could be a HECK of a cardio machine.
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Resultsbased

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
A combo Nautilus duo-squat and iso-lateral pull down equipped with akinetic devices could be a HECK of a cardio machine.


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So now resistance training on Nautilus machines can be cardio??

Interesting, especially coming from you.
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HeavyHitter32

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
A combo Nautilus duo-squat and iso-lateral pull down equipped with akinetic devices could be a HECK of a cardio machine.


Wait. You just inferred in another thread weight training is useless for cardio and posted a study on it.
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