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Resultsbased

https://www.T-Nation.com/...iquin-1961-2018
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Bastion

Very sad indeed.
I wonder if there's a debate room up in the sky for Poliquin and Mentzer?.
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Resultsbased

Bastion wrote:
Very sad indeed.
I wonder if there's a debate room up in the sky for Poliquin and Mentzer?.


They both passed early.

I have a completely different view of health and fitness from bodybuilders.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
It is interesting how many in this muscle building business die from heart attacks?
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StuKE

Resultsbased wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Very sad indeed.
I wonder if there's a debate room up in the sky for Poliquin and Mentzer?.

They both passed early.

I have a completely different view of health and fitness from bodybuilders.


Sad news. Would you care to elaborate?
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Resultsbased

StuKE wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Very sad indeed.
I wonder if there's a debate room up in the sky for Poliquin and Mentzer?.

They both passed early.

I have a completely different view of health and fitness from bodybuilders.

Sad news. Would you care to elaborate?


I could be mistaken, but I think it is often assumed that because someone is "fit" they are "healthy" and this isn't necessarily true.

Health likely comes down to genetics in large part, but also how you influence them.

Eating 6 whole chickens and taking tons of protein along with who knows what kinds of drugs may make one appear healthy outwardly, but they may be a mess on the inside.

I think this is why Darden's plans appeal to me - sensible exercise and eating for the natural lifter.
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CD51

His passing will spark a lot of questions about his dietary advice and training practices. This could have been a congenital issue and have nothing to do with training and diet but people will indict his methods either way.

Modern bodybuilding, at least as it is portrayed at the professional level, has little to do with health.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
Here we go again, Mentzers heart attack had nothing to do with loads of drugs and Olivas liver failed due to natural causes, etc etc...
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Ray200

Poliquin's family had a history of heart disease. Two of his brothers and his father all died having suffered heart attacks. I think in this case we can discount the malign influence of the "fitness" industry.

Best,
Ray
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Average Al

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
It is interesting how many in this muscle building business die from heart attacks?


I found a post from 2013 by Mel Siff, in which Mel discussed his own issues with heart disease. In that post, Mel states that Poliquin had a by-pass operation, and that Poliquins father and brother both died of heart disease. So he was a high risk individual just based on family history.

https://www.somasimple.com/...52-heart-attack
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HeavyHitter32

Resultsbased wrote:
StuKE wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Bastion wrote:
Very sad indeed.
I wonder if there's a debate room up in the sky for Poliquin and Mentzer?.

They both passed early.

I have a completely different view of health and fitness from bodybuilders.

Sad news. Would you care to elaborate?

I could be mistaken, but I think it is often assumed that because someone is "fit" they are "healthy" and this isn't necessarily true.

Health likely comes down to genetics in large part, but also how you influence them.

Eating 6 whole chickens and taking tons of protein along with who knows what kinds of drugs may make one appear healthy outwardly, but they may be a mess on the inside.

I think this is why Darden's plans appeal to me - sensible exercise and eating for the natural lifter.


Agreed. You can also tell by that picture of Poliquin on the T-Nation page that he was "using". Aside from the unnatural look of his biceps, hints of that distilled bulging stomach could be seen from under his t-shirt.
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HeavyHitter32

I have heart disease on my father's side of the family. However, lifestyle greatly impacts it. My father had a heart attack at 57 (poor diet, high triglycerides), but shaped up his lifestyle afterward and lived to be 94. My half brother had a heart attack at 50 but was a smoker...cleaned up his act and is going strong at 72 today.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

I get a kick out of people blaming bodybuilding on heart attacks, lol


I have known people of all walks of life and of different ages that have died of heart disease, cancer, kidney failure and etc


working out and running and other types of fitness does not limit your life and does not lengthen your life.....it makes life easier if being healthy is the goal, but there is no guarantee

one thing is for sure, none of us are getting out of this alive


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Resultsbased

No way of knowing for sure, but does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?

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consiglio

entsminger wrote:
== Scott==
Here we go again, Mentzers heart attack had nothing to do with loads of drugs and Olivas liver failed due to natural causes, etc etc...


Well,you had cancer! Was it due to loads of drugs? Natural causes?
Give the deceased the benefit of the doubt!
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Average Al

Resultsbased wrote:
No way of knowing for sure, but does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?



Maybe such deaths attract attention because we expect fit looking people to be less at risk. We are less surprised when a morbidly obese person drops.

If you want to improve your odds of having a long, functional life, then be active, do some strength training, do some cardio, maintain a normal weight. But that does not make you immortal, and it does not make you immune to the major diseases. And more exercise does not always mean better outcomes.

In defense of entsminger: does anyone think that doing a boat load of steroids, HGH, diuretics, etc is good for you?
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Crotalus

Resultsbased wrote:
does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?


People die prematurely everyday, in every walk of life from a thousand different things.

What's uncanny to me is that there seems to be so many pissed-off 'haters' in the HIT crowd.

Even someone dropping dead triggers the finger-pointing 'I told you so' bullshit. I can't imagine waking up everyday being so angry and bitter about everything.

WTF ?


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Resultsbased

Crotalus wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?


People die prematurely everyday, in every walk of life from a thousand different things.

What's uncanny to me is that there seems to be so many pissed-off 'haters' in the HIT crowd.

Even someone dropping dead triggers the finger-pointing 'I told you so' bullshit. I can't imagine waking up everyday being so angry and bitter about everything.

WTF ?




I really don't know what you are talking about, but the tone of YOUR post comes off as angry.

I have no idea why Poliquin passed away and it's a shame. I'm also not naive about what many of these people use and what it does to their bodies...maybe he had something totally unrelated, but if you are suggesting that there is no correlation between the premature deaths and the drugs/lifestyle these people choose, you are delusional.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

Resultsbased wrote:
Crotalus wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?


People die prematurely everyday, in every walk of life from a thousand different things.

What's uncanny to me is that there seems to be so many pissed-off 'haters' in the HIT crowd.

Even someone dropping dead triggers the finger-pointing 'I told you so' bullshit. I can't imagine waking up everyday being so angry and bitter about everything.

WTF ?




I really don't know what you are talking about, but the tone of YOUR post comes off as angry.

I have no idea why Poliquin passed away and it's a shame. I'm also not naive about what many of these people use and what it does to their bodies...maybe he had something totally unrelated, but if you are suggesting that there is no correlation between the premature deaths and the drugs/lifestyle these people choose, you are delusional.



how do you know that he used anything, is this public knowledge....not saying he didn't....I just have no idea
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HDLou

Maybe there is something to those Weider Training Principles after all . Joe lived to be 93.
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Resultsbased

hit4me wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Crotalus wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
does it not seem uncanny that so many bodybuilders and people in the fitness industry die prematurely?


People die prematurely everyday, in every walk of life from a thousand different things.

What's uncanny to me is that there seems to be so many pissed-off 'haters' in the HIT crowd.

Even someone dropping dead triggers the finger-pointing 'I told you so' bullshit. I can't imagine waking up everyday being so angry and bitter about everything.

WTF ?




I really don't know what you are talking about, but the tone of YOUR post comes off as angry.

I have no idea why Poliquin passed away and it's a shame. I'm also not naive about what many of these people use and what it does to their bodies...maybe he had something totally unrelated, but if you are suggesting that there is no correlation between the premature deaths and the drugs/lifestyle these people choose, you are delusional.



how do you know that he used anything, is this public knowledge....not saying he didn't....I just have no idea


I don't...that's why I said I have no idea.
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Ellington Darden

About 20 years ago, I visited my good friend, Tim Patterson, in Colorado Springs. Tim was starting his T-Nation business and had Charles Poliquin working with him. When I got in from the airport, I went to Tim's medium-sized gym, where he was making some videos for his website. It was in the middle of a video when I walked into the gym.

There I see Poliquin on a Scott-curl bench doing curls with a barbell loaded with two 35-pound weights and a couple of 25-pound plates. Quickly I could tell that Poliquin was doing Scott curls with about 140-150 pounds. And he was doing them very easily, as he stopped the motion mid-range, smiled for the camera, and even described what he was doing to the camera.

Suddenly, Tim stopped videoing, quickly introduced me to Poliquin, and said: "Charles show Ellington your true strength."

Then, Poliquin, now in the top position of the curl, moved his hands to the middle of the bar, took one hand off, and did a couple of slow Scott curls with only 1 arm.

I thought, "Holy smokes! I don't even think Casey Viator, in his prime, could do that."

Tim walked over, then, took the barbell from Poliquin and did some 1-arm presses.

The joke was on me. The plates were made out of aluminum. We all had a good laugh.

Nevertheless, Poliquin had a muscular pair of 18-inch arms. His biceps were especially large.

Ellington
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Ellington Darden wrote:
About 20 years ago, I visited my good friend, Tim Patterson, in Colorado Springs. Tim was starting his T-Nation business and had Charles Poliquin working with him. When I got in from the airport, I went to Tim's medium-sized gym, where he was making some videos for his website. It was in the middle of a video when I walked into the gym.

There I see Poliquin on a Scott-curl bench doing curls with a barbell loaded with two 35-pound weighs a couple of 25-pound plates. Quickly I could tell that Poliquin was doing Scott curls with about 140-150 pounds. And he was doing them very easily, as he stopped the motion mid-range, smiled for the camera, and even described what he was doing to the camera.

Suddenly, Tim stopped videoing, quickly introduced me to Poliquin, and said: "Charles show Ellington your true strength."

Then, Poliquin, now in the top position of the curl, moved his hands to the middle of the bar, took one hand off, and did a couple of slow Scott curls with only 1 arm.

I thought, "Holy smokes! I don't even think Casey Viator, in his prime, could do that."

Tim walked over, then, took the barbell from Poliquin and did some 1-arm presses.

The joke was on me. The plates were made out of aluminum. We all had a good laugh.

Nevertheless, Poliquin had a muscular pair of 18-inch arms. His biceps were especially large.

Ellington


Ha great story, thanks for sharing!!
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backtrack

He looked unnaturally large to me, being of an abnormal size whether it's muscle or fat puts a lot of strain on the body.

There's a relentless focus on size, but definition and proportion are much more pleasing on the eyes.

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Average Al

Cool story.

But fake weights in a T-Nation video shoot? How disappointing to hear that.

If you want to join the fun, and impress your internet followers:

fakeweights.com
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