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sgb2112

Chet Yorton beat a 19 year old Arnold. Do you believe he is a lifetime natural considering his current shape at the age of 70? I think he is as natural as Mike O'Hearn myself.

https://youtu.be/3DbalOXnmsw
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Turpin

I believe Chet Yorton was natural , but the `Father of natural bodybuilding` title would be Vince Gironda.


T.
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Average Al

The really huge bodybuilders of today are obviously and admittedly not natural. I've pretty much given up trying to guess who among the less obvious cases are genetically gifted and who are drug enhanced.

It seems clear that from the mid 1950's on, steroid use COULD be a factor for anyone displaying an impressive physique.

Things are a little muddier for the period between 1935 to the early 1950's. Synthetic testosterone was available at that time, but it is hard for me to figure out if it was common for body builders to use it.

From what I've read, high dosages of synthetic testosterone came with a lot of undesirable side effects that would have discouraged its use, at least in supra-physiologic dosages. Anabolic steroids became popular because they were more effective with fewer side effects, and could be dosed more heavily. But those weren't widely available in the US until the later.

If you look at photos of old time strong men from before 1935, the physiques are not as impressive. But they were often focusing on feats of strength, and less on looking lean and vascular. And perhaps the training methods and diet strategies were not quite as refined either. And the techniques for enhancing physique photos via lighting and shadowing probably weren't as widely practiced either.

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Crotalus

Average Al wrote
It seems clear that from the mid 1950's on, steroid use COULD be a factor for anyone displaying an impressive physique.


All of them were using something . Some guys just don't want to believe it even when those guys in question admit to it, lol.

I always look at Mokaway's physique, IMO one of the best EVER, and there is no way you will ever convince me he got that way on a dozen eggs a day, half and half cream and liver tablets like Gironda claimed.

Loved Gironda but he was a lying sac of shit about all off this like everyone else was

Not knocking him for it , just sayin' ...
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BorisV

Maryland, USA

When Vince Gironda was asked if he knew any of the professional bodybuilders who were not on steroids, his answer was no. In case of Mohammed Makkawy, his physique changed dramatically when he followed some advices from Vince.
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Turpin

Gironda never said Makkaway was not using steroids ( or Larry Scott or anyone else he trained ). He understood they had to use in order to compete but He does claim never to have used himself. The latter has never been refuted.


T.
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Bastion

During an interview with John Heart, Ric Drasin mentioned that Chet Yorton trains once every 3 weeks!.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

I will always believe that Reeves never used, just my opinion
and of course Lalanne
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

Eugene Sandow
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Mr Nauti1us

Turpin wrote:
Gironda never said Makkaway was not using steroids ( or Larry Scott or anyone else he trained ). He understood they had to use in order to compete but He does claim never to have used himself. The latter has never been refuted.


T.


I think it?s pretty obvious Gironde used. The guy was leaner than Zane, the man known as the ?chemist?! However, we all believe what we want to believe.
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sgb2112

The first female bodybuilders/strongwomen in the early 1900's..

https://youtu.be/VREIoAoUqnA
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
I will always believe that Reeves never used, just my opinion
and of course Lalanne


==Scott==
I used to think Reeves was always natural until I watched some of his Hercules movies. He was much bigger and had that Larry Scott look to his muscles. If he was natural then it?s quite amazing.
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HDLou

Mr Nauti1us wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Gironda never said Makkaway was not using steroids ( or Larry Scott or anyone else he trained ). He understood they had to use in order to compete but He does claim never to have used himself. The latter has never been refuted.


T.

I think it?s pretty obvious Gironde used. The guy was leaner than Zane, the man known as the ?chemist?! However, we all believe what we want to believe.


Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.
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sirloin

sgb2112 wrote:
The first female bodybuilders/strongwomen in the early 1900's..

https://youtu.be/...oAoUqnA


Some really impressive physiques there.
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Brian Johnston

Ontario, CAN

HDLou wrote:


Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.


He taught math to my knowledge, and anyone into bodybuilding called him the Chemist as a side joke, due to this knowledge of drugs and how he used them.
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BorisV

Maryland, USA

Testosterone propionate was discovered in 1936 and was introduced for medical use in 1937. It was mentioned in a letter to the editor of Strength and Health magazine in 1938. Steve Reeves won his first major bodybuilding contest, Mr. America, at the age of 21 in 1947. In other words, anabolic steroids were available approximately 10 years prior to Reeves' debut on the big bodybuilding stage.
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BorisV

Maryland, USA

In an interview conducted by Brian Johnston, Sergio Oliva stated the following:

"BDJ: Could you relay your own experience with drug use?

SO: This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice...that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it".
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ron33

HDLou wrote:
Mr Nauti1us wrote:
Turpin wrote:
Gironda never said Makkaway was not using steroids ( or Larry Scott or anyone else he trained ). He understood they had to use in order to compete but He does claim never to have used himself. The latter has never been refuted.


T.

I think it?s pretty obvious Gironde used. The guy was leaner than Zane, the man known as the ?chemist?! However, we all believe what we want to believe.

Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.


A college professor that trained at gym I trained at in late 70s early 80s said he knew zane , and he and his friends called him chemical man ..
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HDLou

Brian Johnston wrote:
HDLou wrote:


Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.

He taught math to my knowledge, and anyone into bodybuilding called him the Chemist as a side joke, due to this knowledge of drugs and how he used them.


Wikipedia goes into his history and how he got the chemist name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Frank_Zane
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backtrack

The father of bodybuilding full stop - Sandow.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

HDLou wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
HDLou wrote:


Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.

He taught math to my knowledge, and anyone into bodybuilding called him the Chemist as a side joke, due to this knowledge of drugs and how he used them.

Wikipedia goes into his history and how he got the chemist name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...nk_Zane


==Scott==
This may be true but wikipedia is a lame source for anything.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
HDLou wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
HDLou wrote:


Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.

He taught math to my knowledge, and anyone into bodybuilding called him the Chemist as a side joke, due to this knowledge of drugs and how he used them.

Wikipedia goes into his history and how he got the chemist name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Frank_Zane

==Scott==
This may be true but wikipedia is a lame source for anything.


kinda like this board, lol
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entsminger

Virginia, USA


Wikipedia goes into his history and how he got the chemist name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Frank_Zane

==Scott==
This may be true but wikipedia is a lame source for anything.

kinda like this board, lol

==Scott==
You said it, not me, ha ha . It is fun to read but other than what Dr. Darden or one or two others say on here I take most of these claims , lifts , advice or routines with a grain of salt.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:

Wikipedia goes into his history and how he got the chemist name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/...wiki/Frank_Zane

==Scott==
This may be true but wikipedia is a lame source for anything.

kinda like this board, lol

==Scott==
You said it, not me, ha ha . It is fun to read but other than what Dr. Darden or one or two others say on here I take most of these claims , lifts , advice or routines with a grain of salt.



totally agree
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Mr Nauti1us



Frank Zane got called the Chemist because he was chemistry teacher not because of his drug use.


Yeah right. Of course!
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