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Dr. Darden: Who Else Can Build on Jones' Work?
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Fatso

Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?
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sgb2112

Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?


Werner Kaiser
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Ellington Darden

Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?


If there was someone out there similar to what you described, he would already be taking the HIT ideas forward.

To my knowledge, there is no one.

Ellington

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Average Al

Maybe HIT does not need to continue as a separate thing.

To the extent that Jones was correct about exercise, his theories should eventually be validated by science, and then simply become accepted knowledge in the field of exercise science. If some of his ideas can't be proven out by testing, science, and practical application, why should those ideas continue to get attention?

This has happened to some extent already. Mainstream researchers now acknowledge that training at or close to failure is important, particularly when loads are lower. And most seem to acknowledge that abbreviated routines involving as little as one set of exercise per body part can deliver pretty good results. The ongoing debates about the value to be gotten from multiple set routines seems mostly of concern to those who are really trying to push the envelope on results (hard core bodybuilders, powerlifters, and competitive athletes).

The other day, I was looking at some advice from the Mayo Clinic web site on how much exercise to get. Here are the guidelines:

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For most healthy adults, the Department of Health and Human Services recommends these exercise guidelines:

** Aerobic activity. Get at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity or 75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity a week, or a combination of moderate and vigorous activity. The guidelines suggest that you spread out this exercise during the course of a week.

** Strength training. Do strength training exercises for all major muscle groups at least two times a week. Aim to do a single set of each exercise, using a weight or resistance level heavy enough to tire your muscles after about 12 to 15 repetitions.
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Now Jones would likely dispute the value of aerobic activity. But the strength training guidelines seem right in line with what he suggested. And the 150 minutes per week of moderate aerobic activity lines up nicely with Dr Darden's weight loss program, where he advises walking 30 minutes a day, after dinner. Done 5 days per week, that gets you your 150 minutes of moderate activity.




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ATP 4 Vitality

Average Al wrote:
Maybe HIT does not need to continue as a separate thing.

To the extent that Jones was correct about exercise, his theories should eventually be validated by science, and then simply become accepted knowledge in the field of exercise science. If some of his ideas can't be proven out by testing, science, and practical application, why should those ideas continue to get attention?

This has happened to some extent already. Mainstream researchers now acknowledge that training at or close to failure is important, particularly when loads are lower. And most seem to acknowledge that abbreviated routines involving as little as one set of exercise per body part can deliver pretty good results. The ongoing debates about the value to be gotten from multiple set routines seems mostly of concern to those who are really trying to push the envelope on results (hard core bodybuilders, powerlifters, and competitive athletes).

The other day, I was looking at some advice from the Mayo Clinic web site on how much exercise to get. Here are the guidelines:

-----
For most healthy adults, the Department of Health and Human Services recommends these exercise guidelines:

** Aerobic activity. Get at least 150 minutes of moderate aerobic activity or 75 minutes of vigorous aerobic activity a week, or a combination of moderate and vigorous activity. The guidelines suggest that you spread out this exercise during the course of a week.

** Strength training. Do strength training exercises for all major muscle groups at least two times a week. Aim to do a single set of each exercise, using a weight or resistance level heavy enough to tire your muscles after about 12 to 15 repetitions.
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Now Jones would likely dispute the value of aerobic activity. But the strength training guidelines seem right in line with what he suggested. And the 150 minutes per week of moderate aerobic activity lines up nicely with Dr Darden's weight loss program, where he advises walking 30 minutes a day, after dinner. Done 5 days per week, that gets you your 150 minutes of moderate activity.






I brought this to light many months ago .....
This reasoning does not tickle HIT ears

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ATP 4 Vitality

Ellington Darden wrote:
Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?

If there was someone out there similar to what you described, he would already be taking the HIT ideas forward.

To my knowledge, there is no one.

Ellington



It is not little , mcguff , Baye, trentine, or such ilk
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?


==Scott==
There probably is someone with all those attributes but he knows it's not a big money maker any more.
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

The current SOA is indeed John Lityle and Dr Darden. This Will become more evident with Little's new book. Jones protocols were only a stepping stone to the current future ... as witnessed by the develop from McGuff Mentzer Hahn Sisco. The current SOA is not understood by most.
Cheers Grant


Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?[/quote]

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robinn3403

Ellington Darden wrote:
Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?

If there was someone out there similar to what you described, he would already be taking the HIT ideas forward.

To my knowledge, there is no one.

Ellington


What about, Schwab,Cirulli,Flannagan, Baye,Petrella in Canada? The X-Force guys in Europe? These guys have gotta qualify I think! And I try to do what I can in my little corner of the world. Maybe a Darden Institute for H.I.T. should be established to train the next generation? Ill donate a few dollars for the getting started fund!Lets do this!!

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sgb2112

https://youtu.be/w8jM-GyrKnc
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Raider22

Ohio, USA

Who is moving the theory of gravity ahead?
There is one absolute scientific truth in strength training, "Systematic Progressive Overload"! How you achieve this is preference. I preferer the optimum amount of work to illicit a response in my body. That's my preference, some enjoy more.
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AndyMitch

I don?t think there can be much built upon what Arthur had done.
AJ was just about ?working hard? which is pretty basic but hard for most to do.

Werner Kieser seemed to be carrying forward on what Jones was looking for, Kieser is now retired.

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AndyMitch

entsminger wrote:
Fatso wrote:
Question for Dr. Darden:

Not including yourself, who do you see (if anyone) as someone who may be skilled enough, have broad enough thinking or be strong enough to build on the foundations of Jones' work and take the ideas of HIT forward?

==Scott==
There probably is someone with all those attributes but he knows it's not a big money maker any more.


I don?t know I wasn?t there but I think (from what I?ve read) Arthur wasn?t in it for the money, he really did have an honest approach to improving exercise, most just don?t get it.

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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

sgb2112 wrote:
https://youtu.be/...-GyrKnc


Kaiser is circa 2000 in protocol but likely the best machines built. However, in the last 20 years superior machines have become obsolete as resistance exercise has progressively developed in Little, New Darden and Mach1111 principles ... all assuming progress is desired ... as measured by size, strength. and appearance.
Grant
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sgb2112

Grant D. wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
https://youtu.be/w8jM-GyrKnc

Kaiser is circa 2000 in protocol but likely the best machines built. However, in the last 20 years superior machines have become obsolete as resistance exercise has progressively developed in Little, New Darden and Mach1111 principles ... all assuming progress is desired ... as measured by size, strength. and appearance.
Grant


Keiser machines..for the last 20 years they have designed and built them in-house from what I was able to translate.

https://youtu.be/ox2FmfR6mSQ
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

Dr Darden. Thank you for continuing to advance resistance exercise and progressively adapt the science as earlier protocols are exhausted by those properly applying them.
You have an immense effect on human health ... for those who understand.
Grant
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