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https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=pjrZRlfUMZA
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
A very informative talk except for one element. How the steroids factored into his training.Even though he quickly mentioned steroids near the end his talk through this video sort of gives the impression that it was all about his careful training and diet when we all know that reaching the size they do for Olympia is impossible with out the drugs and how ones body can utilize them. One can eat 7 meals a day and train this way and that but with out the drugs you are not going to get that big. It would be helpful for him and others to come clean and up front that the drugs played a huge role and discuss how his manipulation of drugs while training was as huge a factor as well as the workouts. I don't think there's any question that having the right doctors and lab crew constantly monitoring his body played a big factor. It's not like he could just pop a few Dianabol and that's it.
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

That's what Rich Piana was (is) for.
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ron33

Watched an interview with Yates and Joe Rogan , where he talked about his drug usage . Said at his heaviest contest weight he couldn't even tie his shoe ..Said he mainly does yoga now to try to fix his body from the weight training damage ..
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Average Al

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
A very informative talk except for one element. How the steroids factored into his training.Even though he quickly mentioned steroids near the end his talk through this video sort of gives the impression that it was all about his careful training and diet when we all know that reaching the size they do for Olympia is impossible with out the drugs and how ones body can utilize them. One can eat 7 meals a day and train this way and that but with out the drugs you are not going to get that big. It would be helpful for him and others to come clean and up front that the drugs played a huge role and discuss how his manipulation of drugs while training was as huge a factor as well as the workouts. I don't think there's any question that having the right doctors and lab crew constantly monitoring his body played a big factor. It's not like he could just pop a few Dianabol and that's it.


Imagine that the one thing you are famous for, the one thing that made your fortune and career, is having fantastically huge muscles. I imagine you want to believe that this was mostly the result of your own efforts.

To say that you owe it all to great genes and a good drug supplier doesn't give you much to brag about. It is more like inheriting money: it spends as well as money earned, but doesn't do as much for your self esteem.
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Crotalus

You really believe Dorian didn't put in the work necessary ?? Besides the stuff you don't like about it ... the genetics and drugs ... are you saying he didn't bust his ass in the gym ?

I don't think he was lying on the couch clicking through channels to become Mr. Olympia a few times.
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Average Al

Crotalus wrote:
You really believe Dorian didn't put in the work necessary ?? Besides the stuff you don't like about it ... the genetics and drugs ... are you saying he didn't bust his ass in the gym ?

I don't think he was lying on the couch clicking through channels to become Mr. Olympia a few times.


No... I never said he didn't work hard. I'm sure he trained very hard (and being on steroids sure helps you recover from hard workouts).

What I am saying is that lots of people bust their asses in the gym, and have a lot less to show for their efforts. What makes the difference between them and Yates?

The temptation for someone like Yates is to start believing that he became a champion mostly or entirely because he trained harder, and was more disciplined, than anyone else. Why is that tempting? Because then he owns more of the accomplishment. Fans love that idea, because we like the myth that if you work hard enough, anything is possible.

In reality, it could be that he trained harder than any of his genetically gifted and and drug using peers. Or maybe they trained just as hard, but he had a slight edge due to natural gifts or better drugs. Who knows?

I'm not trying to discount his efforts, but rather am suggesting a theory as to why he might not want to talk so much about the other factors leading to his success (which is the observation that Scott made about the interview).


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HeavyHitter32

What is hilarious...all of these ex-pro bodybuilders off steroids and looking so "normal". Sure, they still have muscle, but they look incredibly smaller by comparison.
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Crotalus

Average Al wrote:
Fans love that idea, because we like the myth that if you work hard enough, anything is possible.


What's wrong with that ? Working hard is a good thing, not a bad thing. That is one of the missing qualities with a lot people these days in everything.

We are told a lie from the beginning that we can have anything or become anything we want if we work hard enough at it.

Well, that is bullshit and we have all known that for a long time now. We are not created equal like Thomas Jefferson tried to brain wash everyone into believing .

That's just the way it is, but don't use it an excuse not to work hard at things you want to be successful at or hold it against those that are just better than the rest of us.

As always, just my opinion on shit, LOL.



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Gainz

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
What is hilarious...all of these ex-pro bodybuilders off steroids and looking so "normal". Sure, they still have muscle, but they look incredibly smaller by comparison.


Do a YouTube search for "Hollywood Levrone" for the most striking example of this you'll ever see.

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Average Al

Crotalus wrote:
Average Al wrote:
Fans love that idea, because we like the myth that if you work hard enough, anything is possible.


What's wrong with that ? Working hard is a good thing, not a bad thing. That is one of the missing qualities with a lot people these days in everything.

We are told a lie from the beginning that we can have anything or become anything we want if we work hard enough at it.

Well, that is bullshit and we have all known that for a long time now. We are not created equal like Thomas Jefferson tried to brain wash everyone into believing .

That's just the way it is, but don't use it an excuse not to work hard at things you want to be successful at or hold it against those that are just better than the rest of us.

As always, just my opinion on shit, LOL.





I'm not entirely sure what point you are trying to make, but I think we mostly agree.

If you work hard at whatever interests you, your odds of succeeding definitely go up. But it helps to have some level of realism when setting goals.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Gainz wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
What is hilarious...all of these ex-pro bodybuilders off steroids and looking so "normal". Sure, they still have muscle, but they look incredibly smaller by comparison.

Do a YouTube search for "Hollywood Levrone" for the most striking example of this you'll ever see.



==Scott==
Yes there is quite an amazing difference between on and off the roids for him. Literally a huge difference. A while back he was competing and huge and they he went on this so called natural binge where he was making a comeback off the stuff. I don't recall why he was doing that but I can only guess the doctors said get off the drugs or you'll destroy your kidneys, liver, etc.
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HeavyHitter32

Gainz wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
What is hilarious...all of these ex-pro bodybuilders off steroids and looking so "normal". Sure, they still have muscle, but they look incredibly smaller by comparison.

Do a YouTube search for "Hollywood Levrone" for the most striking example of this you'll ever see.



Yep, striking indeed!


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HeavyHitter32

entsminger wrote:
Gainz wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
What is hilarious...all of these ex-pro bodybuilders off steroids and looking so "normal". Sure, they still have muscle, but they look incredibly smaller by comparison.

Do a YouTube search for "Hollywood Levrone" for the most striking example of this you'll ever see.



==Scott==
Yes there is quite an amazing difference between on and off the roids for him. Literally a huge difference. A while back he was competing and huge and they he went on this so called natural binge where he was making a comeback off the stuff. I don't recall why he was doing that but I can only guess the doctors said get off the drugs or you'll destroy your kidneys, liver, etc.


Didn't Flex Wheeler require a kidney transplant and then go back into competitive bodybuilding?!
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BorisV

Maryland, USA

Here is a nice gallery of the before and after pictures of bodybuilding champions
http://irongangsta.blogspot.co...
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StuKE

BorisV wrote:
Here is a nice gallery of the before and after pictures of bodybuilding champions
http://irongangsta.blogspot.co...


No evidence of great genetics in the after shots of any of those guys. In fact, most of them look appalling in bodybuilding terms. Even if they stopped using 'assistance' and stopped training, I would expect some muscle.
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Nwlifter

BorisV wrote:
Here is a nice gallery of the before and after pictures of bodybuilding champions
http://irongangsta.blogspot.co...


Holy crap,.. some of them, man, look worse than average older people who never lifted.
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EricRamos

Wow, that's crazy how small on they don't even look like they lift! Gunter still looks good though.
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Ray200

The image of Kevin Levrone in the red underwear is something I really didn't need to see.
My belated congratulations too to Paul Dillett on his baby. I hope father and child are doing well.
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Nwlifter

Ray200 wrote:
The image of Kevin Levrone in the red underwear is something I really didn't need to see.


hahahaha I hear ya lol

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Nwlifter wrote:
Ray200 wrote:
The image of Kevin Levrone in the red underwear is something I really didn't need to see.

hahahaha I hear ya lol



== Scott ==
The good thing about seeing him in his red underwear is that us normal guys can then see that off the steroids he?s almost like one of us. Off the stuff he?s bigger than most so he is genetically superior to some extent than the average guy but one them he explodes! The thing that?s hard to tell is how some have much superior receptors or whatever you want to call them to steroids. Some will blow up like the Michelin man ( like Levrone)!and some just show a little improvement .
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HeavyHitter32

It just goes to show the potential of these drugs. Here are a couple of pictures of a younger Arnold at a time I presume he was not taking anything - although still looks better than those guys.

https://imagecollect.com/...be-photos-77956

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

BorisV wrote:
Here is a nice gallery of the before and after pictures of bodybuilding champions
http://irongangsta.blogspot.co...


== Scott==
That Mustafa Mohamed guy is almost unbelievable !
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
I think it?s without question that anyone who gets huge like these guys and stays that way for a year or more will undoubtably suffer irreversible and substantial physical damage that will shorten their life.
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BorisV

Maryland, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
It just goes to show the potential of these drugs. Here are a couple of pictures of a younger Arnold at a time I presume he was not taking anything - although still looks better than those guys.

https://imagecollect.com/...be-photos-77956



I think this photo was taken after 1980. Younger Arnold, not taking anything - you kidding me. His love affair with the juice is well documented
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