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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
entsminger wrote:
The more strange i find it, that there were, according to Nautilus Bodybuilding Book, 13 studies which showed that steroids do not work...


==Scott==
Just goes to show a study can be made up to show whatever result you want. Nautilus or Jones or someone in the organization wanted to act like you could get huge just using Nautilus. It's never been proven that any bodybuilder got huge using only Nautilus or any other machine or method.

but was Jones trying to market to the bodybuilder or to the general public to use nautilus for fitness reasons......if you look at the nautilus commercials back then, the guys and gals in the commercials were not huge by any means


==Scott==
I'm guessing he was trying to cover all bases. The Jane Fonda fitness types, the the hard core bodybuilder and everyone in between. He sure wasn't aiming at the fitness crew when he wrote in Iron Man with articles with Viator, Oliva and the like and in the Nautilus books he wasn't aiming at the Michelin man bodybuilder.Either way to say Steroids didn't work was foolish.The sad thing is we may never know the truth about what Viator did or didn't take while under Jones. Another sad thing is I don't know of any big bodybuilder or football player or whatever who wasn't on drugs who got big using only Nautilus.
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Ellington Darden

Quickly, Arthur Jones realized that the Nautilus market was NOT bodybuilders, it was the general population. Yes, he marketed to bodybuilders, but only for a couple of years.

When I was photographing people for my early books, Arthur had the following advice for me: "Try to make bodybuilders in your photos look like athletes . . . and try to make athletes look like bodybuilders."

Ellington
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AndyMitch

Ellington Darden wrote:
Quickly, Arthur Jones realized that the Nautilus market was NOT bodybuilders, it was the general population. Yes, he marketed to bodybuilders, but only for a couple of years.

When I was photographing people for my early books, Arthur had the following advice for me: "Try to make bodybuilders in your photos look like athletes . . . and try to make athletes look like bodybuilders."

Ellington


From what I?ve read.

Arthur just believed he could improve on what was available and boy! He did that.
He seemed always to be integral with his endeavours, in that he really believed that (as he so often stated) ?less is more? and he attempted to convey that to the pro body builder at the time.


We all know how that went.

His focus on the general public and sport should of given him a noble peace prize.
But even today he?s ahead of his time.
I can?t believe things are actually worse.

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backtrack

Any business that had any large scale ambitions that targeted only bodybuilders in the 1970s would have flopped. Large scale business has to be plural. HIT exercise theory and Nautilus equipment combined was a genius business strategy as it negated the age old excuse of not having time to get fit.

However, time and culture has since moved on. I don't know about the USA, but in the UK there's been a dramatic shift, arguably pegged to the rise of social media which has made bodybuilding; I'm gonna say it -mainstream. It would be unheard of before the advent of social media for people to snail mail hard-copy pictures of themselves semi naked to their friends. Imagine receiving a hard copy VHS tape of a friend working out and playing it on your TV? That would be outright weird. But post it on social media, and it's completely normal. If social media had been around in the 1970s Nautilus would have been in exercise business nirvana.

I'd say more people under 40 now spend more time in the gym (or doing some form of exercise based activity) than going to the pub. People are actually making time to exercise, and many of them want to build muscle including women. People are also making more time to travel, and generally say 'look at me', and less time to have a family - but that's a separate story.

Protein powder is mainstream, every half decent sized grocery store in the UK now sells it. Certain brands target only women, even though the substance is exactly the same as in so many other products. I don't consider myself that old, but when I first started training properly at 15/16 protein powder/supplements were only sold in one pharmacy and one health food shop in the town I lived in. These usually had the name 'Weider' on them, they all tasted rank. They were usually some chemical tasting strawberry flavor, and they were ridiculously expensive for what they were. Who uses Weider protein products now? No one I know of.

The gym's I used to go to didn't even sell any protein products - they just had a vending machine full of sugary energy drinks. Some didn't even have that. Now, some gyms even have protein bars. (This was presumably imported from America along with the countdown timers at road crossings. Screw off bottle tops have so far only made it as far as a popular Inbev beer.)

The local municipal gym was where it started for me. It was one of only two gyms in the town. Six packs were a rare sight. What rare specimens I used to think to myself. It wouldn't be unusual for men to hound the one guy with a six-pack for advice. (Six packs are a much more common site now.) In the town I lived in, even in the early 2000s the majority of people were training mainly on 'cardio' machines. I didn't tend to have much of a problem accessing any of the resistance machines or free-weights. Also, most of the women didn't touch the free-weights. I rarely saw a man dead-lifting let alone a woman. How times have changed... The same small town I grew up in now has at least a dozen gyms open to the public.

Now most people are on social media, they seem to be a lot more body conscious. They want to look like a film star even if by day they're working in grocery store. People, particularly under 40 are putting themselves under more pressure to look good. Through my occupational background I became aware of plastic surgeries outside of breast implants that I didn't even know existed.

Online shopping has made supplements much more freely available and as such their use has risen. The lines between supplements and drugs are now much more blurred. Some gyms even have sharps bins. Those oh so rare genetics, are no longer so rare a sight.

People in general are getting more muscular and they're posting it.

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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

backtrack wrote:
The genetics argument is bullshit -bodybuilder genetics aren't in everyone but they're definitely not rare.


Really? Based on what study ? Or is this just your opinion?
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

AndyMitch wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
Quickly, Arthur Jones realized that the Nautilus market was NOT bodybuilders, it was the general population. Yes, he marketed to bodybuilders, but only for a couple of years.

When I was photographing people for my early books, Arthur had the following advice for me: "Try to make bodybuilders in your photos look like athletes . . . and try to make athletes look like bodybuilders."

Ellington

From what I?ve read.

Arthur just believed he could improve on what was available and boy! He did that.
He seemed always to be integral with his endeavours, in that he really believed that (as he so often stated) ?less is more? and he attempted to convey that to the pro body builder at the time.


We all know how that went.

His focus on the general public and sport should of given him a noble peace prize.
But even today he?s ahead of his time.
I can?t believe things are actually worse.


Damn straight!
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Ellington Darden wrote:
Quickly, Arthur Jones realized that the Nautilus market was NOT bodybuilders, it was the general population. Yes, he marketed to bodybuilders, but only for a couple of years.

When I was photographing people for my early books, Arthur had the following advice for me: "Try to make bodybuilders in your photos look like athletes . . . and try to make athletes look like bodybuilders."

Ellington


Bodybuilders at that time were so habituated to multiple sets, very high reps, many exercises , split and double split routines that they simply couldn't give it all up.
Arthur's writing compelled many bodybuilders to try his machines in Fla. They got great results,bought machines for their gyms or talked gym owners into getting a few machines usually the pullover and the combination plate loading bi/tri machine.
So after they finally got them in their gyms they started trying to use them like they used to use barbells with pyramiding, 10 sets of ten every day. They quickly lost strength and size and became exhausted even those on modest amounts of steroids.
Plugging the machines to football and other sports coaches worked better I assume because the majority of coaches made their players stick to the Nautilus program and their players got results.
The Nautilus club boom suddenly burst onto the scenes in the early eighties and had a good run.
The majority of people who wanted to stay fit and have a good physique without having to spend their life in the gym drove that era. Also many of the old myths such as lifting weights will make you muscle bound,unable to move were debunked.
So many idiots from Joe Weider to Vince ( forgot his last name) attacked Nautilus machines and their concept mostly out of envy and fear that product sales would fall if Arthur's no supplement needed statements became well accepted as his machines. Also would his magazine sales suffer?
Weider' s attacks were viscous and personal in many articles,in fact he did a five part series about how bad ,dangerous and counterproductive Nautilus machines were.
Vince just stupidly wrote that the appearance of the machines would frighten bodybuilders and they were too complicated for bodybuilders to learn how to use them.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
During the 1970s, Jones was against steroids. The published research at that time said they did not work. None of the researchers, however, realized that bodybuilders were taking such MASSIVE doses in combination with MASSIVE doses. Jones and I knew that many bodybuilders were on steroids, but we too were surprised by the amounts consumed.

Jones liked being surrounded by huge guys, many of whom told him they were clean. Later he found out he had been duped.

Jones always believed that proper exercise and genetics were the keys to becoming big and strong. To him, drugs were very minor.

Ellington

==Scott==
I guess if Jones was duped I wasn't as dumb as I thought I was in those days because as early as the the late 60's and early 70s I knew the likes of Coe and Sergio and others were on large doses or Steroids. Heck in my 68 69 high school class there were kids who were cramming down steroids like french fries! An average kid benching near 400.There's no way one could think that Sergio was natural.I'm sure Jones just looked the other way.



He wrote that Sergio was on steroids but as he was addicted to them and since Arthur was training Sergio for the 1971 NABBA Mr. Universe contest he would allow Sergio to stay on the steroids.
Arthur was keen to see Sergio defeat Bill Pearl and sent the picture of Sergio doing the double front bicep that was published in bulletin 2 , the photo that you can actually measure the photo to see that Sergio's arms were bigger than his head.
Pearl sent back some nasty ad hominem comment to Jones in reply.
I've seen film of the contest and many,many stills of Sergio and Pearl and although Pearl looked good he wasn't even in the same league as Sergio. Sergio should've won hands down.
It's obvious that the fix was in.
By the way Pearl claims he was steroid free yet if you look at his physique before roids were making the rounds and the time when lots of bodybuilders were experimenting, the difference is striking.
He had a good ,very good natural physique but wow with " help " he was amazing but never good enough to beat Sergio and yet he did.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
hit4me wrote:
entsminger wrote:
The more strange i find it, that there were, according to Nautilus Bodybuilding Book, 13 studies which showed that steroids do not work...


==Scott==
Just goes to show a study can be made up to show whatever result you want. Nautilus or Jones or someone in the organization wanted to act like you could get huge just using Nautilus. It's never been proven that any bodybuilder got huge using only Nautilus or any other machine or method.

but was Jones trying to market to the bodybuilder or to the general public to use nautilus for fitness reasons......if you look at the nautilus commercials back then, the guys and gals in the commercials were not huge by any means

==Scott==
I'm guessing he was trying to cover all bases. The Jane Fonda fitness types, the the hard core bodybuilder and everyone in between. He sure wasn't aiming at the fitness crew when he wrote in Iron Man with articles with Viator, Oliva and the like and in the Nautilus books he wasn't aiming at the Michelin man bodybuilder.Either way to say Steroids didn't work was foolish.The sad thing is we may never know the truth about what Viator did or didn't take while under Jones. Another sad thing is I don't know of any big bodybuilder or football player or whatever who wasn't on drugs who got big using only Nautilus.


Why couldn't someone with very good genetic potential, a good work ethic and good self motivation develop his physique to it's ultimate using just Nautilus machines ?
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backtrack

Bill Sekerak wrote:
backtrack wrote:
The genetics argument is bullshit -bodybuilder genetics aren't in everyone but they're definitely not rare.

Really? Based on what study ? Or is this just your opinion?


Correct it's JUST my opinion of having trained in several gyms all over the UK.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Why couldn't someone with very good genetic potential, a good work ethic and good self motivation develop his physique to it's ultimate using just Nautilus machines ?

==Scott==
I think they could only I've never seen it done, at least in the competitive bodybuilding arena.It's true that a hand full of champions like Viator, Mentzer and Yates used alot of Nautilus in their training but most of them were damn big before they ever heard of Nautilus. It would be most interesting to see how an individual would turn out with the potential of a Sergio, Arnold or Viator who could establish that they used only Nautilus and took no drugs.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
During the 1970s, Jones was against steroids. The published research at that time said they did not work. None of the researchers, however, realized that bodybuilders were taking such MASSIVE doses in combination with MASSIVE doses. Jones and I knew that many bodybuilders were on steroids, but we too were surprised by the amounts consumed.

Jones liked being surrounded by huge guys, many of whom told him they were clean. Later he found out he had been duped.

Jones always believed that proper exercise and genetics were the keys to becoming big and strong. To him, drugs were very minor.

Ellington

==Scott==
I guess if Jones was duped I wasn't as dumb as I thought I was in those days because as early as the the late 60's and early 70s I knew the likes of Coe and Sergio and others were on large doses or Steroids. Heck in my 68 69 high school class there were kids who were cramming down steroids like french fries! An average kid benching near 400.There's no way one could think that Sergio was natural.I'm sure Jones just looked the other way.



He wrote that Sergio was on steroids but as he was addicted to them and since Arthur was training Sergio for the 1971 NABBA Mr. Universe contest he would allow Sergio to stay on the steroids.
Arthur was keen to see Sergio defeat Bill Pearl and sent the picture of Sergio doing the double front bicep that was published in bulletin 2 , the photo that you can actually measure the photo to see that Sergio's arms were bigger than his head.
Pearl sent back some nasty ad hominem comment to Jones in reply.
I've seen film of the contest and many,many stills of Sergio and Pearl and although Pearl looked good he wasn't even in the same league as Sergio. Sergio should've won hands down.
It's obvious that the fix was in.
By the way Pearl claims he was steroid free yet if you look at his physique before roids were making the rounds and the time when lots of bodybuilders were experimenting, the difference is striking.
He had a good ,very good natural physique but wow with " help " he was amazing but never good enough to beat Sergio and yet he did.


==Scott==
With Sergio at his best no one could ever have beaten him unless it was rigged. Gee, something rigged in bodybuilding or any other so called legit sport like boxing, ha ha? The question is what isn't rigged?
The fuss between Jones and Pearl when making that silly jungle movie, I read the account, must have left deep scars on both of them.Pearl couldn't have legitimately beat Sergio any more than Viator could unless it was rigged or they doped Sergio before hand.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
Why couldn't someone with very good genetic potential, a good work ethic and good self motivation develop his physique to it's ultimate using just Nautilus machines ?

==Scott==
I think they could only I've never seen it done, at least in the competitive bodybuilding arena.It's true that a hand full of champions like Viator, Mentzer and Yates used alot of Nautilus in their training but most of them were damn big before they ever heard of Nautilus. It would be most interesting to see how an individual would turn out with the potential of a Sergio, Arnold or Viator who could establish that they used only Nautilus and took no drugs.


it would take an experiment, two different individuals with the same genetic potential, who have never trained and are the same age.....one using free weights only and one using the original nautilus equipment.....the one using free weights uses volume training and the one using nautilus follows the nautilus principals..........both are drug free and are fed 3x/day with a couple snacks in between...both are in a controlled environment and this experiment will take, lets say 3 years..........
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SWISS-HIT

I believe that you can. But it takes much longer. I am talking about years of training. And one needs to be much more consistent with his diet and training. Never deviating from it. Keeping track of the numbers. Recovery time plays also a big role. The stronger you get the less you should train...

No such thing as off season for the real natural bodybuilder if the goal is maximum potential.

The whole life should be arranged about that one goal.
The Job for example. Best would be a stress free, sitting work.

No other sports, no cardio. Just working out.

Then yes, I believe it is possible. And I also believe that everybody can get a muscular physique beyond a male underwear model standard.

Question is. Is that a worthy goal?

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Why couldn't someone with very good genetic potential, a good work ethic and good self motivation develop his physique to it's ultimate using just Nautilus machines ?

==Scott==
I think they could only I've never seen it done, at least in the competitive bodybuilding arena.It's true that a hand full of champions like Viator, Mentzer and Yates used alot of Nautilus in their training but most of them were damn big before they ever heard of Nautilus. It would be most interesting to see how an individual would turn out with the potential of a Sergio, Arnold or Viator who could establish that they used only Nautilus and took no drugs.

it would take an experiment, two different individuals with the same genetic potential, who have never trained and are the same age.....one using free weights only and one using the original nautilus equipment.....the one using free weights uses volume training and the one using nautilus follows the nautilus principals..........both are drug free and are fed 3x/day with a couple snacks in between...both are in a controlled environment and this experiment will take, lets say 3 years..........


==Scott==
Maybe a set of identical twins with Arnold like genetics?
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

SWISS-HIT wrote:
I believe that you can. But it takes much longer. I am talking about years of training. And one needs to be much more consistent with his diet and training. Never deviating from it. Keeping track of the numbers. Recovery time plays also a big role. The stronger you get the less you should train...

No such thing as off season for the real natural bodybuilder if the goal is maximum potential.

The whole life should be arranged about that one goal.
The Job for example. Best would be a stress free, sitting work.

No other sports, no cardio. Just working out.

Then yes, I believe it is possible. And I also believe that everybody can get a muscular physique beyond a male underwear model standard.

Question is. Is that a worthy goal?



==Scott==
Yes it requires alot of sacrifice drugs or not. For many a year I was obsessed with building muscles and yes, nothing else mattered. Is it worth it to sacrifice so many good things in life for muscles? Looking back I'd say absolutely not.
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Ellington Darden

entsminger wrote:
SWISS-HIT wrote:
I believe that you can. But it takes much longer. I am talking about years of training. And one needs to be much more consistent with his diet and training. Never deviating from it. Keeping track of the numbers. Recovery time plays also a big role. The stronger you get the less you should train...

No such thing as off season for the real natural bodybuilder if the goal is maximum potential.

The whole life should be arranged about that one goal.
The Job for example. Best would be a stress free, sitting work.

No other sports, no cardio. Just working out.

Then yes, I believe it is possible. And I also believe that everybody can get a muscular physique beyond a male underwear model standard.

Question is. Is that a worthy goal?



==Scott==
Yes it requires alot of sacrifice drugs or not. For many a year I was obsessed with building muscles and yes, nothing else mattered. Is it worth it to sacrifice so many good things in life for muscles? Looking back I'd say absolutely not.


Scott, you are so right.

If Sergio had beaten Pearl, what would Jones and Nautilus gotten in return?

Just hundreds of bodybuilders traveling to Nautilus and hanging around more and more . . . with very little money. Jones would have been out of business in a year or two.

Thank goodness Pearl won! Or I would have never had any successful books . . . or this website.

Ellington

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Thank goodness Pearl won! Or I would have never had any successful books . . . or this website.

Ellington

== Scott ==
I guess you are being sarcastic here and don?t agree with me at all? I?m not understanding your answer?
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Ellington Darden

entsminger wrote:
Thank goodness Pearl won! Or I would have never had any successful books . . . or this website.

Ellington

== Scott ==
I guess you are being sarcastic here and don?t agree with me at all? I?m not understanding your answer?


No, no. I do agree with you.

Ellington

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