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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

Millions of people with chronic disease CAN be aided by exercise, but it doesn't have to include aerobic exercise. It doesn't have to include lifting heavy weights, or any weights.



I agree with provisions, if exercise is chosen, cardiovascular conditioning would get primary considerations.




By the way, most HIT people don't wear pants. The legs look too good to hide. Do you train yours?



I did not realize you paid that level of attention to clothing and legs.

I train legs on my personal Nautilus leverage leg press, leg extension, leg curl , and the O.M.E.

I do several warm up sets to lubricate the knees and ankles.

Any more?
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epdavis7

tensionstrength wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
One of the things I find very off-putting about HIT is the way that many of the experts come across as being omniscient. By the way, Dr. Darden does NOT and I respect his knowledge and humility.

John Little makes several claims in his books that are so wrong, there isn't time to list them all. If you get his latest book, take a look at pictures of him performing the deadlift...here's a guy who has never performed a deadlift because if he did this normally, he'd be crippled and I'm surprised he let this make it in the book!

Doug McGuff declared the Paleo diet is the healthiest way to eat while cherry picking evidence to support this fad diet. His workout regimen doesn't even resemble what he preached in Body By Science. He even performed a 3 way split...how does this fit with his mutual fund of exercises and does response relationship of exercise?

Next, Drew Baye just released a video of Luke Carlson and Bill Crawford and Jim Flanagan in which Drew repeatedly calls Bill an idiot and clueless. Bill has been instructing since about the time Drew was born, but because it isn't as he thinks it should be - they are idiots.

I mean an hour long video to criticize form on a curl! The form was far more strict than we've seen AJ instruct by the way. And exactly what is Drew Baye going to school Luke Carlson on? Seriously.

Why does Drew wear Heavy Duty gear and reference Mike Mentzer? Mike certainly didn't avoid Val Salva, grunting or grimacing or the occasional cheat rep.

So, HIT has a couple of good ambassadors - Ellington Darden being the best and then you have a bunch of clowns who have just enough information to be dangerous. Sorry and I hate to agree with ATP, but he's right about this stuff for the most part.

Watch out Dr. Darden, you'll be criticized next by Baye for permitting 1 second repetitions! I'm sure he will be able to set you straight. After all, HIT was first defined by you, but according to Baye, he's had to correct and criticize you in the past. What a laugh.

I gotta agree. I have got a lot from Drew over the years. But some his ways of talking about other trainers and and some other stuff as well is very disrespectful and putting down valuable other training methods etc.

Regarding Paleo and just diet in general. If any of you have a diet that works for you and you enjoy the food you can eat, more power to you. I have been experimenting with mine quite a bit lately and giving up certain foods that I love but also give me problems is quite frustrating.


I don't think a lot of people understand what a Paleo diet is. It is not necessarily low carb. In fact it can be quite high carb if you want it to be. Its basically eating meat, vegetables, nuts and fruit and avoiding processed food, dairy, grains and most tubers. Some people still eat potatoes (I do) and most still eat sweet potatoes. I eat Paleoish (I say *ish because I do have a few cheat meals a week). Following this diet %80 of the time allows me to maintain a healthy bodyweight without counting calories or having to put a lot of thought into it. I'm not saying its for everyone, buts its really easy to follow. Keto is different and is very carb conscious, but does allow cheese. When the mood strikes and I want a donut or a slice of pizza or a couple of beers I have them. I just don't live on pizza, beer and donuts. Other than bread and cheese, it wasn't too far off how I was eating when I wasn't eating "Paleo." If its a fad diet, then I must be a faddist, because I have been eating this way for a long long time. When I first got remarried I was living the good life and became a chunky monkey and got up to 274lbs (and back then I exercised a LOT more than now particularly a LOT of cardio exercise). I have maintained a weight of 210lbs for almost 12 years now without overthinking how I eat. At my height (6'4") and frame that is a good weight for me although I'm a little on the thin side which is ok by me.
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DuzHIT

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

Millions of people with chronic disease CAN be aided by exercise, but it doesn't have to include aerobic exercise. It doesn't have to include lifting heavy weights, or any weights.



I agree with provisions, if exercise is chosen, cardiovascular conditioning would get primary considerations.




By the way, most HIT people don't wear pants. The legs look too good to hide. Do you train yours?



I did not realize you paid that level of attention to clothing and legs.



If exercise is chosen, mode of exercise would depend on the condition of the patient and the desires for improvement. Cardio may be one of the tools used, but then again may not. Weights may or may not.

I pay no heed to pants or the length thereof. It was you who suggested the kissing of pants. Is there a prior incident you would be willing to share??
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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

If exercise is chosen, mode of exercise would depend on the condition of the patient and the desires for improvement. Cardio may be one of the tools used, but then again may not. Weights may or may not.



No issues with this



I pay no heed to pants or the length thereof. It was you who suggested the kissing of pants. Is there a prior incident you would be willing to share??


You may have surmised that I do not curry favor. I yield to your experience in trousers and legs, as it is obvious from your reply that you are not interested in leg exercise. Like most when leg day comes around, absent.
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tensionstrength

epdavis7 wrote:
tensionstrength wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
One of the things I find very off-putting about HIT is the way that many of the experts come across as being omniscient. By the way, Dr. Darden does NOT and I respect his knowledge and humility.

John Little makes several claims in his books that are so wrong, there isn't time to list them all. If you get his latest book, take a look at pictures of him performing the deadlift...here's a guy who has never performed a deadlift because if he did this normally, he'd be crippled and I'm surprised he let this make it in the book!

Doug McGuff declared the Paleo diet is the healthiest way to eat while cherry picking evidence to support this fad diet. His workout regimen doesn't even resemble what he preached in Body By Science. He even performed a 3 way split...how does this fit with his mutual fund of exercises and does response relationship of exercise?

Next, Drew Baye just released a video of Luke Carlson and Bill Crawford and Jim Flanagan in which Drew repeatedly calls Bill an idiot and clueless. Bill has been instructing since about the time Drew was born, but because it isn't as he thinks it should be - they are idiots.

I mean an hour long video to criticize form on a curl! The form was far more strict than we've seen AJ instruct by the way. And exactly what is Drew Baye going to school Luke Carlson on? Seriously.

Why does Drew wear Heavy Duty gear and reference Mike Mentzer? Mike certainly didn't avoid Val Salva, grunting or grimacing or the occasional cheat rep.

So, HIT has a couple of good ambassadors - Ellington Darden being the best and then you have a bunch of clowns who have just enough information to be dangerous. Sorry and I hate to agree with ATP, but he's right about this stuff for the most part.

Watch out Dr. Darden, you'll be criticized next by Baye for permitting 1 second repetitions! I'm sure he will be able to set you straight. After all, HIT was first defined by you, but according to Baye, he's had to correct and criticize you in the past. What a laugh.

I gotta agree. I have got a lot from Drew over the years. But some his ways of talking about other trainers and and some other stuff as well is very disrespectful and putting down valuable other training methods etc.

Regarding Paleo and just diet in general. If any of you have a diet that works for you and you enjoy the food you can eat, more power to you. I have been experimenting with mine quite a bit lately and giving up certain foods that I love but also give me problems is quite frustrating.

I don't think a lot of people understand what a Paleo diet is. It is not necessarily low carb. In fact it can be quite high carb if you want it to be. Its basically eating meat, vegetables, nuts and fruit and avoiding processed food, dairy, grains and most tubers. Some people still eat potatoes (I do) and most still eat sweet potatoes. I eat Paleoish (I say *ish because I do have a few cheat meals a week). Following this diet %80 of the time allows me to maintain a healthy bodyweight without counting calories or having to put a lot of thought into it. I'm not saying its for everyone, buts its really easy to follow. Keto is different and is very carb conscious, but does allow cheese. When the mood strikes and I want a donut or a slice of pizza or a couple of beers I have them. I just don't live on pizza, beer and donuts. Other than bread and cheese, it wasn't too far off how I was eating when I wasn't eating "Paleo." If its a fad diet, then I must be a faddist, because I have been eating this way for a long long time. When I first got remarried I was living the good life and became a chunky monkey and got up to 274lbs (and back then I exercised a LOT more than now particularly a LOT of cardio exercise). I have maintained a weight of 210lbs for almost 12 years now without overthinking how I eat. At my height (6'4") and frame that is a good weight for me although I'm a little on the thin side which is ok by me.


Thank you for going into so much detail here. I been cutting way back on the processed food, food with lots of preservatives, etc. I have acid reflux issues which has been a big part of me trying to avoid certain trigger foods over the years. Plus the thought of consuming food closest to it's natural state makes a great deal makes a great deal of sense to me. Two of my biggest "bad" likes are chocolate and coffee with creamer. As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux. Here recently, consuming a lot of fresh fruit and veggies ( as fresh as I have access to) gave me what I would call a "high" at times. When I do eat I again am trying to get grilled and or very little preservatives. I have been curious about the raw meat thing for quite some time but I have my concerns too. Back to the acid reflux issues: Some of the mainstream treatments for this are concerning for me. I have had some Doctors say the proton pump inhibitors and cut out the trigger foods. Many yrs ago a doctor I saw wanted to go in sort wrap my esophagus or alter the configuration in a way that he said would help the sphincter stay shut. After taking with some people that hd it done they said that I was quite painful when they needed to burp, that burping was now more difficult, and at least one of they guys still had reflux issues.
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DuzHIT

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

I pay no heed to pants or the length thereof. It was you who suggested the kissing of pants. Is there a prior incident you would be willing to share??


You may have surmised that I do not curry favor. I yield to your experience in trousers and legs, as it is obvious from your reply that you are not interested in leg exercise. Like most when leg day comes around, absent.


As usual, your assumption is false. Do you practice this, like a psychic that can get nothing right, or are truly this dense? In any event, it is one of the truly facinating and humorous facets of your statements. Please continue?
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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:

As usual, your assumption is false. Do you practice this, like a psychic that can get nothing right, or are truly this dense? In any event, it is one of the truly facinating and humorous facets of your statements. Please continue?


No! Not interested.
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1958

Texas, USA

ATP/marcph,
Show us the 22" neck!!!!
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Average Al

Chris H wrote:
so the outcome of this topic, is there is no outcome

John Little has not been proved wrong on cardio. Questionable perhaps, but not wrong.

He also has not been proved to be intellectually dishonest, nor insincere.

However the meaning of cardio vascular conditioning as discussed and brought up in various posts, needs context.
CV conditioning for what - health or conditioning.
Health i would venture would be defined as general, walking around capacity. Not getting winded or hurt by basic day to day living.
Conditioning on the other hand would be specific to the activity chosen - running, swimming etc etc , so context is not only required to define cv conditioning, but also the contention that JL is wrong.

As far as i can tell neither has been established.


Yup: Nuance, context, details all matter when discussing this topic.

I like Clarence Bass's take on this:

https://www.cbass.com/...obicsNeedIt.htm



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Average Al

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
I do not need to argue that cardiovascular conditioning is very beneficial and resistance training can not and does not provide these unique benefits.


But there is evidence that resistance training does provide some level of cardiovascular conditioning. It isn't an all or nothing situation.

Cardio can provide some unique benefits, but the details of how you do it matter very much:

Here are 4 kinds of cardio:
- walking for several miles at an easy pace, perhaps hitting 30% VO2 Max
- running for many miles at 70% of VO2 max.
- 4 minute intervals with 3 minute rest periods, where you reach 90% of VO2 max during the work periods.
- Tabata: 8 rounds of 20 seconds work/10 seconds rest, reaching 175% of VO2 max (there is a significant anaerobic component).

It is pretty obvious from the literature that these different modes of cardio can have quite different impacts on the body. They are not all equally good, nor do they all provide the same unique benefits.





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Chris H

Average Al wrote:
Chris H wrote:
so the outcome of this topic, is there is no outcome

John Little has not been proved wrong on cardio. Questionable perhaps, but not wrong.

He also has not been proved to be intellectually dishonest, nor insincere.

However the meaning of cardio vascular conditioning as discussed and brought up in various posts, needs context.
CV conditioning for what - health or conditioning.
Health i would venture would be defined as general, walking around capacity. Not getting winded or hurt by basic day to day living.
Conditioning on the other hand would be specific to the activity chosen - running, swimming etc etc , so context is not only required to define cv conditioning, but also the contention that JL is wrong.

As far as i can tell neither has been established.

Yup: Nuance, context, details all matter when discussing this topic.

I like Clarence Bass's take on this:

https://www.cbass.com/...obicsNeedIt.htm





Thanks for putting this up Average Al.

Interesting and balanced view view from Mr Bass.

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epdavis7

Average Al wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
I do not need to argue that cardiovascular conditioning is very beneficial and resistance training can not and does not provide these unique benefits.

But there is evidence that resistance training does provide some level of cardiovascular conditioning. It isn't an all or nothing situation.

Cardio can provide some unique benefits, but the details of how you do it matter very much:

Here are 4 kinds of cardio:
- walking for several miles at an easy pace, perhaps hitting 30% VO2 Max
- running for many miles at 70% of VO2 max.
- 4 minute intervals with 3 minute rest periods, where you reach 90% of VO2 max during the work periods.
- Tabata: 8 rounds of 20 seconds work/10 seconds rest, reaching 175% of VO2 max (there is a significant anaerobic component).

It is pretty obvious from the literature that these different modes of cardio can have quite different impacts on the body. They are not all equally good, nor do they all provide the same unique benefits.



Once weekly I used to do the Tabata protocol on an elliptical. It was literally a collapse on the floor kind of deal. It didn't make me a better or worse 10K or Half Marathon runner. In its own way it was more challenging, but I felt by doing one BBS style workout and one run a week, it wasn't necessary and just an additional drain on finite resources.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!
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epdavis7

entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!


Agreed! Just by drastically reducing the amount of eat whatever I want (2-3 cheat meals a week) a lot of issues went away ie joint pain, miscellaneous aches and niggles. Diet may not be the most important thing in the world related to building muscle, but I cannot be convinced that it is not important for living out our lives as healthily as our particular genetics allow. Comparing one person to another is like comparing apples and oranges. Just because one guy drank a fifth a day and smoked 2 packs and lived to ninety and another guy did everything right and dropped dead at 50 is not relevant. The guy who died at 50 may have added 5 quality years to his life and the guy that lived to 90 may have lived a longer life with better quality.
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HeavyHitter32

entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!


I eat one half to one full bar a day of dark chocolate (Endangered Species brand - 88% cocoa and all natural). It's raised my HDL over 10 points and I love the stuff, BUT, it can give me acid reflux and then I need to reduce it a bit. Sometimes I drink a cup of decaf coffee (which goes really well with it) and that can make things worse for sure. Also, try not eating or drinking at least 4 hours before bedtime - that helped me tremendously and caused me to lose some fat weight without even trying.
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Average Al

epdavis7 wrote:

Once weekly I used to do the Tabata protocol on an elliptical. It was literally a collapse on the floor kind of deal. It didn't make me a better or worse 10K or Half Marathon runner. In its own way it was more challenging, but I felt by doing one BBS style workout and one run a week, it wasn't necessary and just an additional drain on finite resources.


I used to do Tabata's on a stationary bike. Came to hate doing them, and eventually stopped. I think that, properly done, they are just too grueling for most people.

FWIW, some have hypothesized that supramaximal intervals (30 seconds or less duration, maximum intensity to tax the anaerobic system heavily) mostly improve VO2 max via peripheral adaptations: you develop more mitochondria in the muscles being used, and increase the glycogen content of those muscles. It is a very specific kind of adaptation that probably doesn't transfer well to other activities. And it seems that short intervals like that don't produce much central adaptation (you don't get a bigger heart).

To get central adaptations, you need to force the heart to pump blood at elevated rates for longer periods of time. That means either steady state cardio at a sufficiently taxing rate or high intensity intervals, where you hit 85-95% VO2 max for at least 2 minutes, and preferably 3 to 5 minutes.

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!

I eat one half to one full bar a day of dark chocolate (Endangered Species brand - 88% cocoa and all natural). It's raised my HDL over 10 points and I love the stuff, BUT, it can give me acid reflux and then I need to reduce it a bit. Sometimes I drink a cup of decaf coffee (which goes really well with it) and that can make things worse for sure. Also, try not eating or drinking at least 4 hours before bedtime - that helped me tremendously and caused me to lose some fat weight without even trying.


== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.
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tensionstrength

entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!


Man I love chocolate! I can often go for a Mac too. Hard to beat a good piece of pizza with an ice cold cola. Ugh! Lol! Yea I definitely notice a difference when I cut out certain foods. That is really cool that the soda doesn't give you reflux. Are you referring to soda with caffeine? I do better with caffeine free soda and coffee. But yea, you know what does it to you. To bad we can't eat whatever we want like Superman and not have consequences lol.
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tensionstrength

entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!

I eat one half to one full bar a day of dark chocolate (Endangered Species brand - 88% cocoa and all natural). It's raised my HDL over 10 points and I love the stuff, BUT, it can give me acid reflux and then I need to reduce it a bit. Sometimes I drink a cup of decaf coffee (which goes really well with it) and that can make things worse for sure. Also, try not eating or drinking at least 4 hours before bedtime - that helped me tremendously and caused me to lose some fat weight without even trying.

== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.


Junk food fighting will power seems harder in the evenings for me.
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backtrack

I don't understand how any grown man would struggle to cut out kids food. Beer on the other hand I can completely relate to.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!

I eat one half to one full bar a day of dark chocolate (Endangered Species brand - 88% cocoa and all natural). It's raised my HDL over 10 points and I love the stuff, BUT, it can give me acid reflux and then I need to reduce it a bit. Sometimes I drink a cup of decaf coffee (which goes really well with it) and that can make things worse for sure. Also, try not eating or drinking at least 4 hours before bedtime - that helped me tremendously and caused me to lose some fat weight without even trying.

== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.


do you have any studies on willpower after dinner scenarios...lol, lol, lol
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

tensionstrength wrote:
entsminger wrote:
As you probably know caffeine and chocolate are often triggers for acid reflux.

==Scott==
I've gone 66 years with out anything like acid reflux but recently I started feeling that and thought I was having heart trouble. A co-worker half my age started having it just about the same time.We pretty much found it was a reaction to the junk food we were eating. I found it happened when I drank cool-aid and or ate some chocolates. He was/is a habitual junk food eater always eating Mac's. I cut out the coolaid and most chocolate and it went away. He went the doctor route and they have him on antacids. He doesn't want to cut out all the junk food. The bottom line is it's damn hard to cut out all the crap that might be killing you but for us at least it's mostly about what we eat.It takes time to wean oneself off this junk even if it makes us sick.Funny thing is I could drink sodas all day but one glass of coolaid and boom!

Man I love chocolate! I can often go for a Mac too. Hard to beat a good piece of pizza with an ice cold cola. Ugh! Lol! Yea I definitely notice a difference when I cut out certain foods. That is really cool that the soda doesn't give you reflux. Are you referring to soda with caffeine? I do better with caffeine free soda and coffee. But yea, you know what does it to you. To bad we can't eat whatever we want like Superman and not have consequences lol.


==Scott==
I don't think the caffeine makes a difference in my case. Several times lately I was drinking soda with caffeine to stay awake on long drives with no problem. I generally don't drink anything with caffeine in it as it keeps me awake at night. Never touch coffee.I've been pretty lucky in that most of my life I could eat anything I wanted but maybe that's because I'm a very picky eater and like the guy who does the same exercise routine over and over again, I pretty much eat the same stuff over and over again. My diet is pretty boring.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.

do you have any studies on willpower after dinner scenarios...lol, lol, lol

==Scott==
Last night I "studied" the carton of black rasberry ice cream in the freezer and opted not to eat some, ha ha!
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HeavyHitter32

entsminger wrote:
== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.

do you have any studies on willpower after dinner scenarios...lol, lol, lol

==Scott==
Last night I "studied" the carton of black rasberry ice cream in the freezer and opted not to eat some, ha ha!


Have you ever tried the all-natural Turkeyhill ice cream with vanilla/choc/rasberry? That and butter pecan by Haagen-Dazs are my biggest weakness. LOL
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entsminger wrote:
== Scott==
Yea I?ve found not eating anything after dinner helps with losing weight. It?s not always easy to do especially when the wife brings out an evening snack when guests are over. Takes a ton of will power which I don?t always have.

do you have any studies on willpower after dinner scenarios...lol, lol, lol

==Scott==
Last night I "studied" the carton of black rasberry ice cream in the freezer and opted not to eat some, ha ha!


I had a terrible craving last night and wanted some potato chips. Instead I had a handful of almonds and a dill pickle. I don't keep junk food in the house and if I want it I have to go out and get it and eat it immediately. Its the only thing that works for me. If its within grasp it makes it too easy. If I really want ice cream I go to Dairy Queen and eat it there. I just cant keep junk food in the house and easily accessible.
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