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hit4me

Florida, USA

epdavis7 wrote:

Carlson and his HiT war on women.
I am calling him out!

Does he even know you are calling him out and if so do you think he even cares? Is he staying awake at night worrying about it lol?

Your posts are funny and the lead in is usually something like this:

Imbeciles!
Idiots!
Dolts!
Fools!
Morons!
Get a grip!
War on women!

Did you do a lot of acid in the 60s?


he is soooo brave for calling Carlson out from a keyboard...is he outside Carlson's home or fitness facility with a sign protesting his no cardio stance....is ATP going on a hunger strike because of Carlson's....this is so hilarious

ATP....thanks for hilarious posts, lol
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ron33

Mayo Clinic suggests at least 2 days wk resistance training , aerobics and healthy diet . I would think their research would be more thorough and less biased , or dollar driven to get results wanted ...
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epdavis7

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:

Carlson and his HiT war on women.
I am calling him out!

Does he even know you are calling him out and if so do you think he even cares? Is he staying awake at night worrying about it lol?



I doubt it. He believes his own lie. Obviously you do also.



Your posts are funny and the lead in is usually something like this:

Imbeciles!
Idiots!
Dolts!



I like this name. Reminds me of your posts!



Fools!
Morons!
Get a grip!
War on women!

Did you do a lot of acid in the 60s?

No! I was walking with women! No time for your crowd and drugs!


Dunce! Pharmaceuticals would probably help you regain mental clarity and stability! Time for you to medicate! Lol....posting style of Marc the Pharmacist.
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epdavis7

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:



Skyler tanner

Skydog is an infamous cardio bashing seat of the trouser kissing pro-BBS dude. Believe him at your own peril.


Dingdong! Nonsense! Here is a link to Skylers race prep guide. Perhaps you should try reading more than the back of cereal boxes!

https://smartstrengthaustin.co...


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ATP 4 Vitality

ron33 wrote:
Mayo Clinic suggests at least 2 days wk resistance training , aerobics and healthy diet . I would think their research would be more thorough and less biased , or dollar driven to get results wanted ...


Not for HITers!
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ATP 4 Vitality

epdavis7 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote

Dunce! Pharmaceuticals would probably help you regain mental clarity and stability! Time for you to medicate! Lol....posting style of Marc the Pharmacist.


I am sure you speak with lots of expertise on drug use. You and Drew have that in common!
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ATP 4 Vitality

epdavis7 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:



Skyler tanner

Skydog is an infamous cardio bashing seat of the trouser kissing pro-BBS dude. Believe him at your own peril.

Dingdong! Nonsense! Here is a link to Skylers race prep guide.



Skydog has been against cardio forever. Just another misguided HiTer on cardiovascular conditioning.
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ATP 4 Vitality

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epdavis7

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote

Dunce! Pharmaceuticals would probably help you regain mental clarity and stability! Time for you to medicate! Lol....posting style of Marc the Pharmacist.

I am sure you speak with lots of expertise on drug use. You and Drew have that in common!


Buffoon! Stop fantasizing about walking with obese women! Chubby chaser! Time for your meds! Medicate don?t masturbate!
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the_iron_goose

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
I had a good laugh when I read John Little's article entitled "What About Cardio?". Previously, Mr. Little has included little on cardio during his literary efforts, mainly concentrating on isometric training of one type or another.


He has collaborated with Dr. Doug McGuff (notoriously anti-cardio) on written materials previously. So I was not caught off guard with this anti-cardio article, but his lack of documented facts and logic in the aforementioned article were of concern. I will always examine his future writings with a large grain of salt.


He writes: "the more demanding the muscular work, the greater the involvement of the cardiovascular system". He offers no facts to back his statement, but rather typical OLD HIT jargon reasonings. He seems to have never heard of the Valsalva maneuver, whereas the body clearly reduces venous blood return to the heart during strenuous activity such as resistance training. Circuit weight training is not nearly as effective a cardiovascular training agent as running or cross country skiing.

He goes on to state: "the more demanding the muscular work, the greater the aerobic involvement." He fails to mention that the body also uses anaerobic metabolism during intense activities, which aerobic metabolism supports.

He also goes on to complain of certain cardio activities as being joint unfriendly, with no facts presented to back such claim up. Claims are just that - - claims. Calling treadmills and bicycles punishing is just jargon so common with John Little and his cohort.


He writes of timesaving recently - - - perhaps the best timesaving thing is just to not read his new book.






Well, I have read the literature...and I must say I was particularly enthused. With regard to joints, if you are not smoking them, and have the wherewithal to proceed in spite of what body weight you do have what he is saying about joints rings true. You will see this more amongst *white collar* workers who are sitting at a desk and have been most of their life. Granted, if you have lived your life as a blue collar worker, you're body weight, joints, and cardiovascular ability are probably in sync, yet if you are not such a person then the joint issue is likely to be plainly evident...if you have the capability to exercise...at all. Exercise is NOT looked upon as *BRAINLY*, actually, smoking joints is regarded more *BRAINLY* than destroying them. Blue collar workers have to do activity which amounts to cardio as part of their jobs and often they are protected by unions. White collar workers ARE NOT required to do physical activity and there are no unions at the white collar level...what there is...is DOLLARS paid to a doctor who will tell you what drugs to take...and those drugs are usually not joints. And there is concern and eyebrows raised based upon how you spend money in the guise of your brainly profession. So you see there are a number of things concurrently happening here and it all leads to an upshot of ridiculum. Amongst white collar workers especially, it is much more common for their strength to be out of sync in the way of being beyond their cardiovascular ability and their body weight...now when body weight is out of sync with cardiovascular ability AND cardio ability is strong even though the person is too heavy, the result can be the joints get wrecked.

It's actually not rocket science.
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Average Al

epdavis7 wrote:

Carlson and his HiT war on women.
I am calling him out!

Does he even know you are calling him out and if so do you think he even cares? Is he staying awake at night worrying about it lol?

Your posts are funny and the lead in is usually something like this:

Imbeciles!
Idiots!
Dolts!
Fools!
Morons!
Get a grip!
War on women!

Did you do a lot of acid in the 60s?


On this topic, he has become an OUTRAGE machine, setting up anti-cardio straw-men and then knocking them down. Not a very interesting hobby, from my perspective.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
It?s interesting how long this who cares topic of cardio or not to cardio has dragged on here. Some people just want to argue for the sake of arguing.
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spud

Fat loss is driven by diet. Look at any of the results Dr Darden has produced for people on this site or in his many books. You can't out run or out move a caloric surplus. If you could, we wouldn't have an obesity crisis in the US and UK.

P90X, Insanity, Walk from Home with Leslie Sansone - They all come with dietary guidelines that are not pushed heavily in their promotional videos. In fact they're barely mentioned at all. Thing is, without these dietary guidelines, nobody performing these programs would lose any weight. Talk about being intellectually dishonest.

As far as health, longevity and quality of life are concerned, if you don't have a family history of heart disease, you don't smoke, you don't drink alcohol (or rarely drink alcohol), you're lean enough to see a little bit of abdominal defintion, you sleep well, you're not suffering from high stress on a regular basis due to work, family life or debt and you do some sensible strength training once or twice a week, you're fine. Cardio doesn't even make the list.
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oldbutsteady

Spud,

Specifically about the health facts, you are being intellectually dishonest. The idea that aerobic exercise has no positive contributions to one's overall health is laughable.

If you don't want to do aerobic training personally, that is fine, but don't say it isn't important or that it isn't beneficial, that is an ignorant statement. There is NO DOUBT that aerobic training has a positive effect on the body, end of story.

You can stay in the dark but don't try to convince those of us that have actually used and are still benefitting from aerobic training. You can ignore the half dozen or so people on this thread all you want but our experiences have basically the same outcome regardless of the type of aerobic training. But I guess we shouldn't believe our lying eyes...

Perhaps you should try it before you make absolute statements based on pseudo science and other peoples opinions. However, that would require an open mind and a willingness to test your beliefs and I doubt you would risk being wrong.

As for using aerobics for weight loss it is all a matter of how much one does but for most it will enhance a proper diet but is not a substitute for a diet.

OBS

P.S. I don't intend to be harsh with you but stop trying to blow smoke up my a**.
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epdavis7

spud wrote:
Fat loss is driven by diet. Look at any of the results Dr Darden has produced for people on this site or in his many books. You can't out run or out move a caloric surplus. If you could, we wouldn't have an obesity crisis in the US and UK.

P90X, Insanity, Walk from Home with Leslie Sansone - They all come with dietary guidelines that are not pushed heavily in their promotional videos. In fact they're barely mentioned at all. Thing is, without these dietary guidelines, nobody performing these programs would lose any weight. Talk about being intellectually dishonest.

As far as health, longevity and quality of life are concerned, if you don't have a family history of heart disease, you don't smoke, you don't drink alcohol (or rarely drink alcohol), you're lean enough to see a little bit of abdominal defintion, you sleep well, you're not suffering from high stress on a regular basis due to work, family life or debt and you do some sensible strength training once or twice a week, you're fine. Cardio doesn't even make the list.


Bingo! I'm running a 10K/5k challenge run tomorrow ie two back to back runs. I'm not doing it for health or weight loss. I'm doing it because I like it and enjoy it.
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ATP 4 Vitality

oldbutsteady wrote:
Spud,

Specifically about the health facts, you are being intellectually dishonest. The idea that aerobic exercise has no positive contributions to one's overall health is laughable.

If you don't want to do aerobic training personally, that is fine, but don't say it isn't important or that it isn't beneficial, that is an ignorant statement. There is NO DOUBT that aerobic training has a positive effect on the body, end of story.

You can stay in the dark but don't try to convince those of us that have actually used and are still benefitting from aerobic training. You can ignore the half dozen or so people on this thread all you want but our experiences have basically the same outcome regardless of the type of aerobic training. But I guess we shouldn't believe our lying eyes...

Perhaps you should try it before you make absolute statements based on pseudo science and other peoples opinions. However, that would require an open mind and a willingness to test your beliefs and I doubt you would risk being wrong.

As for using aerobics for weight loss it is all a matter of how much one does but for most it will enhance a proper diet but is not a substitute for a diet.

OBS

P.S. I don't intend to be harsh with you but stop trying to blow smoke up my a**.


Good post!

Sadly, HITers have been misled of the wonderful benefits of cardiovascular conditioning . This has all been rather cleverly done, not scientifically, but by marketing claims. Even empirically, no one uses resistance training to enhance cardiovascular conditioning but to a small degree.

The leaders of HiT (authors) , many of which are educated, are to blame for this propaganda agenda against cardio.

The ultimate revenge is to break away from HiT and personally FEEL the improvement that proper performed cardio brings.
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1958

Texas, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Spud,

Specifically about the health facts, you are being intellectually dishonest. The idea that aerobic exercise has no positive contributions to one's overall health is laughable.

If you don't want to do aerobic training personally, that is fine, but don't say it isn't important or that it isn't beneficial, that is an ignorant statement. There is NO DOUBT that aerobic training has a positive effect on the body, end of story.

You can stay in the dark but don't try to convince those of us that have actually used and are still benefitting from aerobic training. You can ignore the half dozen or so people on this thread all you want but our experiences have basically the same outcome regardless of the type of aerobic training. But I guess we shouldn't believe our lying eyes...

Perhaps you should try it before you make absolute statements based on pseudo science and other peoples opinions. However, that would require an open mind and a willingness to test your beliefs and I doubt you would risk being wrong.

As for using aerobics for weight loss it is all a matter of how much one does but for most it will enhance a proper diet but is not a substitute for a diet.

OBS

P.S. I don't intend to be harsh with you but stop trying to blow smoke up my a**.

Good post!

Sadly, HITers have been misled of the wonderful benefits of cardiovascular conditioning . This has all been rather cleverly done, not scientifically, but by marketing claims. Even empirically, no one uses resistance training to enhance cardiovascular conditioning but to a small degree.

The leaders of HiT (authors) , many of which are educated, are to blame for this propaganda agenda against cardio.

The ultimate revenge is to break away from HiT and personally FEEL the improvement that proper performed cardio brings.

"...the improvement that proper performed cardio brings."
Yes,along with bum knees,fucked up hips,and,quite possibly,atrial fibrillation.No thanks.
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oldbutsteady

1958,

This might surprise you but there is more than one way of aerobically training.

Why is it only and always running with this forum? You can swim, row, hike up hills or small mountains, walk stairs or bleachers, jump rope, or ride a bike. This list is off the top of my head and not nearly all the methods that can be used but for the monochrome HITter it must always running...

I have an idea for the anti aerobic people, try it or shut up. You have no experience training your body as a whole, your only area of expertise (and I use that term loosely) is strength training and if you think that is the only aspect of your body you need to train, you are truly clueless.

OBS
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1958

Texas, USA

oldbutsteady wrote:
1958,

This might surprise you but there is more than one way of aerobically training.

Why is it only and always running with this forum? You can swim, row, hike up hills or small mountains, walk stairs or bleachers, jump rope, or ride a bike. This list is off the top of my head and not nearly all the methods that can be used but for the monochrome HITter it must always running...

I have an idea for the anti aerobic people, try it or shut up. You have no experience training your body as a whole, your only area of expertise (and I use that term loosely) is strength training and if you think that is the only aspect of your body you need to train, you are truly clueless.

OBS

Says the knee-destroyed former competitive runner...I've trained high intensity since I was 15 years old(now age 61).Resting HR=53. Napping HR = 38.I must be doing something right!
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oldbutsteady

1958,

You are proving you are as clueless about aerobic training as you are about me.

Who told you my knees are destroyed? Right, no one. That was never posted by me or any one else but don't let that stop you from making a false statement to try to prove a point.

I have a damaged calf muscle that wasn't due to running which stopped me from running. Get it? Probably not.

This is exactly why HITters constantly look stupid when they have a discussion. They make up shit to prove a point they can't substantiate in the real world.

Your heart rate is irrelevant. We are talking about aerobic conditioning i.e. oxygen intake and volume. You can't maximize those weight training or in your case falling asleep while waiting for the mail.

OBS
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oldbutsteady

Let's get something clear, there is no such thing as "cardio" training. It is aerobic training. Let us be precise, words matter. The English language was created to make ideas clearly understood and not muddled.

OBS
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hit4me

Florida, USA

don't lump all HITers into this anti aerobic training discussion that seems to just go on and on and on

yes there are some that say its not necessary....ok so what..if you want to do aerobic training then do aerobic training.....we all have the brains to make that decision for ourselves, if you did not do aerobic training because Jones or someone else said said so, then that makes you a sheep


just like some on here have said you don't need to do squats, if you want to do the squats then do squats


point is....don't listen to others, do what you want and do what works for you, some like volume training without aerobics, some like volume training with aerobics and yoga....some like HIT without aerobics and some like Hit with aerobics and some include yoga in their training too


I include HIT training (30-10-30) 2x/week, jogging for a 5k 3x/week, yoga every other day, golf practice and even sex(lol) in my training routines....guess I am grossly overtrained and I must be any antiHITer because I do other stuff instead of just HIT
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Average Al

1958 wrote:

Says the knee-destroyed former competitive runner...I've trained high intensity since I was 15 years old(now age 61).Resting HR=53. Napping HR = 38.I must be doing something right!


Yes, those are good numbers. Maybe you won the genetic lottery?

My resting heart rate was pretty good on a strength-training-only regime (~60). But it dropped even lower when I added in some conditioning.

What I have really noticed is better endurance when doing heavy squats. I don't get as gassed when I try to do more than 5 reps.

I'd also distinguish between competition and training. Competitive sports are not always good for the body.

Personally, I don't run for conditioning. I use a bike, a rowing machine, and an elliptical machine. Too much time or mileage with any particular form of aerobic exercise probably does come with a risk of overuse injuries. That is why I mix up my exercises, and keep the volume moderate.
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DuzHIT

oldbutsteady wrote:
Let's get something clear, there is no such thing as "cardio" training. It is aerobic training. Let us be precise, words matter. The English language was created to make ideas clearly understood and not muddled.

OBS


You mean that after 32 pages of this thread that "cardio" does not exist? On a thread titled "John Little wrong on cardio"?

Turban guy gonna wanna discuss this with you.

English language created to make ideas clearly understood? Like bowl, bowl, bowler and bowler? How about spring, spring, spring, and Spring? Yeah, right.
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Grant D.

Illinois, USA

Mayo is compromised and promotes assumptions. Typically SOME of their published recommendations on issues are 30 to 40 years behind current science ... Statins and cholesterol are an example. BTW if one is taking statins... they are perhaps the NUMBER ONE issue in your systemic overload after exercise ... and severely thwarting any muscle, strength, size gains ... if not successfully reducing.
... disclaimer ... my viewpoints.

Grant
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