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Resultsbased

A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.
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epdavis7

When I first started lifting the reason I did it was because I really really liked girls. They liked muscley guys lol. As a teenager I thought muscles would make me appear tough. Strength training makes you more resilient to sports injuries. Strength training can help athletic performance. Exercise can make you look good naked. Exercise can help those so inclined to lead a more active outdoorsy lifestyle. There are a whole lot of reasons other than health. I'm not a trainer though, so I can't directly answer your question.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Resultsbased wrote:
A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.


Why? You should Know Why and Just About Everyone I Train, Knows Because I Tell Them - That So Called "Cardiovascular Exercise" Will Not Be Necessary Simply Because It Can't Exist if Not By Just The Phrase Alone. I Have Helped People in Their Health and Well Being By Advising Against Such. Activity is Something That is Simply For One's Own Enjoyment Period - Your Personal Choice Without Being a Slave to So Called Heart Rate Protocol. DON'T YOU LOVE THESE CAPS! MAGA!
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epdavis7

I know these are inappropriate terms, but bear with me as I'm using them as commonly used. I think to equate "cardiovascular" performance/fitness to "cardiovascular" health is a misnomer.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I'm not a trainer though, so I can't directly answer your question.

==Scott==
Oh heaven forbid on knowing anything if your not a trainer. Having the term trainer affixed to your pocket protector guarantees you know it all, ha ha.
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DuzHIT

Florida, USA

Where do McGuff and Little say to perform the valsalva maneuver? Nowhere I've seen. They say do not hold your breath.

If you want to be critical of HIT with no endurance trainig for general fitness, fine. Stop with the straw man arguement. Research what you are arguing against and you might find there is some agreement there.
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ATP 4 Vitality

When a person does weight training, even fast repetitions, the muscular contractions will limit blood flow in those muscles until those muscles relax. This is the opposite of what happens in rhythmic fast muscle contractions/relaxations occurring during cardiovascular conditioning such as rowing, running, or biking.
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epdavis7

I don?t remember McGuff or lLittle saying hold your breath either. Digging out BBS to verify.
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Nwlifter

Landau wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.

Why? You should Know Why and Just About Everyone I Train, Knows Because I Tell Them - That So Called "Cardiovascular Exercise" Will Not Be Necessary Simply Because It Can't Exist if Not By Just The Phrase Alone. I Have Helped People in Their Health and Well Being By Advising Against Such. Activity is Something That is Simply For One's Own Enjoyment Period - Your Personal Choice Without Being a Slave to So Called Heart Rate Protocol. DON'T YOU LOVE THESE CAPS! MAGA!


Ever heard of arteriosclerosis or peripheral artery disease?
Arteries get narrower, when too narrow, blood flow is compromised, leading to a heart attack, or even loss of a limb (with peripheral artery disease)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...les/PMC2278690/

Regular endurance exercise induces expansive arterial remodeling in the trained limbs of healthy men

Common femoral artery lumen diameter (B-mode ultrasound) was 7 % greater (9.62 ? 0.12 vs. 9.03 ? 0.13 mm)Our results are consistent with the concept that regular aerobic leg exercise induces expansive arterial remodelling in the femoral artery of healthy men.
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Resultsbased

Landau wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.

Why? You should Know Why and Just About Everyone I Train, Knows Because I Tell Them - That So Called "Cardiovascular Exercise" Will Not Be Necessary Simply Because It Can't Exist if Not By Just The Phrase Alone. I Have Helped People in Their Health and Well Being By Advising Against Such. Activity is Something That is Simply For One's Own Enjoyment Period - Your Personal Choice Without Being a Slave to So Called Heart Rate Protocol. DON'T YOU LOVE THESE CAPS! MAGA!


If Cardiovascular Exercise cannot exist, how do you explain
why people who exercise regularly have lower resting heart rate, lower blood pressure and improvements in blood lipids along with other measures and perhaps just as important, an increased work capacity?

This is comical. Please continue!
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HeavyHitter32

Crotalus wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

I nearly doubled my HDL over the last 7 years.

Cardio was definitely a factor that allowed me to do that. (It also helped some other numbers).



What type of 'cardio' did you choose ? Walking, jogging, stair climbing , bike ??


I have an exercise bike. I also have a treadmill where I will do a fast powerwalk. But, my preference is the bike.

What's so amazing about cardio: there will be days where I feel a bit groggy or tired. A good 20-25 minutes after, I feel like a new man - energy, more positive mood, etc. It's an incredible pick-me-upper as well.
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ATP 4 Vitality

epdavis7 wrote:
I don?t remember McGuff or lLittle saying hold your breath either. Digging out BBS to verify.


Of course they do not directly say to hold your breath while lifting (VM).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/23222073

Training to failure (BBS SuperSlow) and lifting resistance over 80% triggers the Valsalva maneuver. It is unavoidable.


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DuzHIT

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
When a person does weight training, even fast repetitions, the muscular contractions will limit blood flow in those muscles until those muscles relax. This is the opposite of what happens in rhythmic fast muscle contractions/relaxations occurring during cardiovascular conditioning such as rowing, running, or biking.


I think that is called pump. The veins are occluded, not the arteries. So plenty of flow in, less flow out.

If you work out hard enough, limit or eliminate rest between exercises, there is enough cardiovascular benefit for general fitness so that no ther cardio is necessary.

If you choose to do cardio, by all means do it. It is just not necessary and adds to the wear and tear on the body.

If you play sports like football or basketball, running is not an option in training. Little has stated this.

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epdavis7

Page 87 of BBS advises against Valsava and says to breathe naturally..
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epdavis7

Walking my dogs around the neighborhood and chatting with neighbors improves my mood. Feeling the sun on my face and breathing fresh air is always pleasant.
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DuzHIT

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I don?t remember McGuff or lLittle saying hold your breath either. Digging out BBS to verify.

Of course they do not directly say to hold your breath while lifting (VM).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/23222073

Training to failure (BBS SuperSlow) and lifting resistance over 80% triggers the Valsalva maneuver. It is unavoidable.




So the NIH look at all relevant information on VM in weight training and could not confirm any health risks. Hmmm.

So if you are doing Super Slow, 30 second reps, are you holding your breath the entire 30 seconds? I do 4 seconds up, 4 seconds down, and I am panting like a dog during my last few reps.

I did see Larry Scott working out, and it seemed like he held his breath during the positive, at least through the sticking point, then he exhaled through the last of the rep. I thought it was odd, but, hey, it was Larry Scott.
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DuzHIT

Florida, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
I don?t remember McGuff or lLittle saying hold your breath either. Digging out BBS to verify.

Of course they do not directly say to hold your breath while lifting (VM).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/23222073

Training to failure (BBS SuperSlow) and lifting resistance over 80% triggers the Valsalva maneuver. It is unavoidable.




So the NIH look at all relevant information on VM in weight training and could not confirm any health risks. Hmmm.

So if you are doing Super Slow, 30 second reps, are you holding your breath the entire 30 seconds? I do 4 seconds up, 4 seconds down, and I am panting like a dog during my last few reps.

I did see Larry Scott working out, and it seemed like he held his breath during the positive, at least through the sticking point, then he exhaled through the last of the rep. I thought it was odd, but, hey, it was Larry Scott.
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Landau

Florida, USA

Resultsbased wrote:
Landau wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.

Why? You should Know Why and Just About Everyone I Train, Knows Because I Tell Them - That So Called "Cardiovascular Exercise" Will Not Be Necessary Simply Because It Can't Exist if Not By Just The Phrase Alone. I Have Helped People in Their Health and Well Being By Advising Against Such. Activity is Something That is Simply For One's Own Enjoyment Period - Your Personal Choice Without Being a Slave to So Called Heart Rate Protocol. DON'T YOU LOVE THESE CAPS! MAGA!

If Cardiovascular Exercise cannot exist, how do you explain
why people who exercise regularly have lower resting heart rate, lower blood pressure and improvements in blood lipids along with other measures and perhaps just as important, an increased work capacity?

This is comical. Please continue!


I Trained a Cardiologist once, He was one of the Nicest Guys I ever met - but Dumb as a Door Nail. Tried to explain to him about the Tricks behind False Positives. I knew 2 Men Years ago Frumpy Morty and Super Health and Fitness Jerry - Poor Jerry Died of a Massive Heart Attack and We got there Too Late to Save Him as He Died on the Spot. He Played Tennis, Was a Runner, and a Healthy Eater. Frumpy Morty is Still Around, and The Hardest thing he ever did was use the Sauna and then to Shower Afterwards. You can site all the So Called Research You want, but You don't Understand that Research on Human Physiology is a Crap Shoot and Measuring the "So Called Improvements" is also a guessing game. The origins of "exercise physiology" come from the Old Universities desire to give the Water Boy a Curriculum. The Sad thing about this Today, is that Cardiologists now quote from their bastardized colleagues in "Sports Medicine." Sports or Medicine? Oil and Water. Those that commit to googling their Bias, don't have a Clue about the History and those that really told the underlying story - see Ernst. Again, Human Pathology ignores how well you perform - see Fixx, even Richard Benyo knows this - Comical? Explore History and Quit Cherry Picking Your Fantasies - See Henry Solomon. I already know what your responses are going to be, as I have been this route before and have destroyed your Religion Many a Time.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

If you work out hard enough, limit or eliminate rest between exercises, there is enough cardiovascular benefit for general fitness so that no ther cardio is necessary.

== Scott ==
Yes if to train the Bob Gadja way where you rush between sets with no rest your cardiovascular system will benefit . How many will actually train that way? Very few. I tried that for a while and I didn?t like it one bit and I like pushing my self until I can hardly breath. I just found each side of the coin got a half assed workout compared to doing both separately .
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ATP 4 Vitality

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Crotalus wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:

I nearly doubled my HDL over the last 7 years.

Cardio was definitely a factor that allowed me to do that. (It also helped some other numbers).



What type of 'cardio' did you choose ? Walking, jogging, stair climbing , bike ??


I have an exercise bike. I also have a treadmill where I will do a fast powerwalk. But, my preference is the bike.

What's so amazing about cardio: there will be days where I feel a bit groggy or tired. A good 20-25 minutes after, I feel like a new man - energy, more positive mood, etc. It's an incredible pick-me-upper as well.


U telem HH32
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Resultsbased

Landau wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Landau wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
A question for those claiming exercise doesn't benefit the cardiovascular system:

Why exercise in the first place and why charge people for instruction if it doesn't benefit their health.

Seems a little odd to be involved in this field and make such claims.

Why? You should Know Why and Just About Everyone I Train, Knows Because I Tell Them - That So Called "Cardiovascular Exercise" Will Not Be Necessary Simply Because It Can't Exist if Not By Just The Phrase Alone. I Have Helped People in Their Health and Well Being By Advising Against Such. Activity is Something That is Simply For One's Own Enjoyment Period - Your Personal Choice Without Being a Slave to So Called Heart Rate Protocol. DON'T YOU LOVE THESE CAPS! MAGA!

If Cardiovascular Exercise cannot exist, how do you explain
why people who exercise regularly have lower resting heart rate, lower blood pressure and improvements in blood lipids along with other measures and perhaps just as important, an increased work capacity?

This is comical. Please continue!


I Trained a Cardiologist once, He was one of the Nicest Guys I ever met - but Dumb as a Door Nail. Tried to explain to him about the Tricks behind False Positives. I knew 2 Men Years ago Frumpy Morty and Super Health and Fitness Jerry - Poor Jerry Died of a Massive Heart Attack and We got there Too Late to Save Him as He Died on the Spot. He Played Tennis, Was a Runner, and a Healthy Eater. Frumpy Morty is Still Around, and The Hardest thing he ever did was use the Sauna and then to Shower Afterwards. You can site all the So Called Research You want, but You don't Understand that Research on Human Physiology is a Crap Shoot and Measuring the "So Called Improvements" is also a guessing game. The origins of "exercise physiology" come from the Old Universities desire to give the Water Boy a Curriculum. The Sad thing about this Today, is that Cardiologists now quote from their bastardized colleagues in "Sports Medicine." Sports or Medicine? Oil and Water. Those that commit to googling their Bias, don't have a Clue about the History and those that really told the underlying story - see Ernst. Again, Human Pathology ignores how well you perform - see Fixx, even Richard Benyo knows this - Comical? Explore History and Quit Cherry Picking Your Fantasies - See Henry Solomon. I already know what your responses are going to be, as I have been this route before and have destroyed your Religion Many a Time.


Your entire posts at this point come across as obfuscations. Total nonsense.

First, you are conflating heart disease with fitness. I and likely no one here is saying that exercise necessarily prevents CV disease and you are correct, much of it is pathological, genetic and some argue begins at birth.

However, increasing one's level of fitness or exercise tolerance only helps from a health standpoint of view.

"So called improvements" are not a guessing game. If you look at CRP, homocysteine, Cholesterol ratio and non-HDL cholesterol, triglycerides, etc. there's not much guessing to this. Are you unaware that stroke volume, heart rate VARIABILITY, blood pressure, pulse pressure and numerous other things can be measured in an objective manner with a high level of accuracy.

But then we have you stating that cardiologists are dumb because they don't accept what you say with your vast knowledge on the subject of heart disease.

Exercise Fraud? Probably...

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hit4me

Florida, USA

more heart attacks occur during running than during weight lifting...known fact

also, if weight lifting is so bad for the heart, then why aren't stress tests performed while weight lifting instead of the treadmill?


increasing blood flow in the arteries can be resolved with nitric oxide...i.e. beets, cayenne pepper
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epdavis7

Now to totally contradict myself, I?m getting ready to go do a once a week 10 mile run, but I?m not doing it for my health, I?m prepping for an upcoming Half Marathon...a chosen activity. They are mainly excuses for myself and my sister?s family to take mini vacations and do some sightseeing and eat at some good restaurants and catch up on what is going on in each other?s lives.
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