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Jammo

I purchased an old Nautilus Advanced Bodybuilding Book through Amazon recently. Loved reading it and seeing Boyer Coe's and Ray Mentzer's workouts in it. I am looking forward to applying some of these advanced routines to the machines at my gym!
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epdavis7

I used to have that book. Lots of great photos
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
The best thing about those books is the pictures! I love looking through them. It?s important to remember that once you do those routines Boyer Coe is doing , in no time you will look as good as he does, ha ha !!!
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
Look at the friggen arm of Boyers in the top picture!Insane!! We look at that and say to ourselves that I'm gonna kick ass and build such an arm but in reality 99.9% of us can't even come close to that.I know that and have known it for many years but the sales pitch of the get big like Boyer did dream is embedded deep in our brain and it still pops up and gets me excited about working out when I see those pictures.
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Crotalus

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
the sales pitch of the get big like Boyer did dream is embedded deep in our brain and it still pops up and gets me excited about working out when I see those pictures.


Of course it gets you fired up ... that's the reason guys like Boyer are used to illustrate these books.

What book would sell using pics of an underwear model in a pullover machine or Duo-squat instead of Casey and Ray ? We all knew we couldn't look like those guys but seeing those physiques is what had us pushing ourselves hard 2-3 days a week .... and still does. I see no problem with that at all.

I mentioned this many times but the photo that got me hook, line and sinker into the HIT methods was the one of Tom Platz doing N/O press behind the neck in Darden's High Intensity Bodybuilding book back in the 80's. It was the first image in the book and for me it was like Mike Tyson sucker punched me right there in the bookstore. Dardens fabulous descriptions of those workouts has training hard imbedded in me forever.

If anyone has that pic, it would be great to see it again if you could post it here somewhere. Trying to 'sell' HIT all those years ago to anyone who would half listen to me, found me lending all my Darden HIT books out and never getting them back.
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Jesse Lee Otis

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
Look at the friggen arm of Boyers in the top picture!Insane!! We look at that and say to ourselves that I'm gonna kick ass and build such an arm but in reality 99.9% of us can't even come close to that.I know that and have known it for many years but the sales pitch of the get big like Boyer did dream is embedded deep in our brain and it still pops up and gets me excited about working out when I see those pictures.


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I would certainly go so far as to say without doubt that those guys wouldn't be built that way either without 'the juice'. But all of you probably know that.

Jesse Lee

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epdavis7

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
Look at the friggen arm of Boyers in the top picture!Insane!! We look at that and say to ourselves that I'm gonna kick ass and build such an arm but in reality 99.9% of us can't even come close to that.I know that and have known it for many years but the sales pitch of the get big like Boyer did dream is embedded deep in our brain and it still pops up and gets me excited about working out when I see those pictures.

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I would certainly go so far as to say without doubt that those guys wouldn't be built that way either without 'the juice'. But all of you probably know that.

Jesse Lee



Very true. I know and understand that now, but as a teen it was very misleading and I thought if I put in the time and effort, I too could look like Casey Viator or Mike Mentzer.
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Jesse Lee Otis

epdavis7 wrote:
Very true. I know and understand that now, but as a teen it was very misleading and I thought if I put in the time and effort, I too could look like Casey Viator or Mike Mentzer.


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And what could be [hardly arguably] called 'proof' of the effects of the juice is that very many WOMEN bodybuilders nowadays are HUGE and strong as bull elephants - and it sure ain't from drinking milkshakes.


Jesse Lee

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HeavyHitter32

Jammo wrote:
I purchased an old Nautilus Advanced Bodybuilding Book through Amazon recently. Loved reading it and seeing Boyer Coe's and Ray Mentzer's workouts in it. I am looking forward to applying some of these advanced routines to the machines at my gym!


Looks in nice shape. I recall borrowing one from the public library back in the early 90s...it was in such terrible condition. There are several older Darden books I've wanted to pick up used on Amazon...I've bought a few before from them.
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MikaelPR

Juice + being short. It never occurred to me when I was younger, just how little most pro bodybuilders really are.
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epdavis7

MikaelPR wrote:
Juice + being short. It never occurred to me when I was younger, just how little most pro bodybuilders really are.


I never realized what a midget Mentzer was until I saw him in a rock video.
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epdavis7

MikaelPR wrote:
Juice + being short. It never occurred to me when I was younger, just how little most pro bodybuilders really are.


I never realized how much of a midget Mentzer was until I saw him in that awful rock video lol.
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Equity

Perhaps the best arms ever IMO.
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ron33

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Very true. I know and understand that now, but as a teen it was very misleading and I thought if I put in the time and effort, I too could look like Casey Viator or Mike Mentzer.


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And what could be [hardly arguably] called 'proof' of the effects of the juice is that very many WOMEN bodybuilders nowadays are HUGE and strong as bull elephants - and it sure ain't from drinking milkshakes.


Jesse Lee


Knew one pro bber that was about 6 ' 1-2 said he couldn't get over 189 lb. till he was on roids. He was about 260 lb ripped when he was telling me about it .
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Jesse Lee Otis

ron33 wrote:
Knew one pro bber that was about 6 ' 1-2 said he couldn't get over 189 lb. till he was on roids. He was about 260 lb ripped when he was telling me about it .


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And there we have it. Did he ever say anything about any changes in the intensity of his training after he started taking the 'roids (i.e. did he continue as before, lessen the intensity, increase it, etc.)? Also, did he basically stay with the same exercise routine?

Jesse Lee

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epdavis7

ron33 wrote:
Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Very true. I know and understand that now, but as a teen it was very misleading and I thought if I put in the time and effort, I too could look like Casey Viator or Mike Mentzer.


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And what could be [hardly arguably] called 'proof' of the effects of the juice is that very many WOMEN bodybuilders nowadays are HUGE and strong as bull elephants - and it sure ain't from drinking milkshakes.


Jesse Lee


Knew one pro bber that was about 6 ' 1-2 said he couldn't get over 189 lb. till he was on roids. He was about 260 lb ripped when he was telling me about it .


I have seen some incredible before and after pics of people on steroids. Some folks looked about average without them and crazy huge and ripped on them. Apparently some people respond better to steroids than others and it isn't necessarily the best built natural guys.
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Crotalus

This thread was started about a great book but again went south and turned into a drug thread.

Why are so many addicted to the drug issue when it has nothing to do about their own training ?

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ron33

Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
ron33 wrote:
Knew one pro bber that was about 6 ' 1-2 said he couldn't get over 189 lb. till he was on roids. He was about 260 lb ripped when he was telling me about it .


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And there we have it. Did he ever say anything about any changes in the intensity of his training after he started taking the 'roids (i.e. did he continue as before, lessen the intensity, increase it, etc.)? Also, did he basically stay with the same exercise routine?

Jesse Lee

Trained the same, compound movements with heavier weights of course. then more isolation movements when getting ready for contest , backing off the heavy compounds .

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ron33

epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
Jesse Lee Otis wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Very true. I know and understand that now, but as a teen it was very misleading and I thought if I put in the time and effort, I too could look like Casey Viator or Mike Mentzer.


=================================

And what could be [hardly arguably] called 'proof' of the effects of the juice is that very many WOMEN bodybuilders nowadays are HUGE and strong as bull elephants - and it sure ain't from drinking milkshakes.


Jesse Lee


Knew one pro bber that was about 6 ' 1-2 said he couldn't get over 189 lb. till he was on roids. He was about 260 lb ripped when he was telling me about it .


I have seen some incredible before and after pics of people on steroids. Some folks looked about average without them and crazy huge and ripped on them. Apparently some people respond better to steroids than others and it isn't necessarily the best built natural guys.

Yes , have known a few people that were honest about it , even said if they weren't trying to make a profession they would nt be doing the steroids .
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Crotalus wrote:
This thread was started about a great book but again went south and turned into a drug thread.

Why are so many addicted to the drug issue when it has nothing to do about their own training ?



== Scott ===
Most everyone of Dardens books are a jewel, at least the ones I?ve seen. The late Tony Williams sent me the last book I?ve seen for free . Sad how he just disappeared off here but I heard cancer finally got him. Another of those good guys go young phenomena.
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Nwlifter

Jammo wrote:
I purchased an old Nautilus Advanced Bodybuilding Book through Amazon recently. Loved reading it and seeing Boyer Coe's and Ray Mentzer's workouts in it. I am looking forward to applying some of these advanced routines to the machines at my gym!


cool love those old photos, I just ordered the book too, be great for my collection.
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Jesse Lee Otis

Crotalus wrote:
This thread was started about a great book but again went south and turned into a drug thread.

Why are so many addicted to the drug issue when it has nothing to do about their own training ?



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I well imagine because those books have pictures of guys on 'roids in them. And it does have something to do with the training of non-steroid users; inevitable comparisons & aspirations. It's a natural progression in the thread - just like so many threads morph into subjects different from the initial topic.


Jesse Lee



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Crotalus

Right, those guys were used to inspire the rest of us to train hard .... what's wrong with that ?

If Darden would have used guys that looked like a Planet Fitness members , nobody would have even picked it up.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

its all about marketing
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Jesse Lee Otis

Crotalus wrote:
Right, those guys were used to inspire the rest of us to train hard .... what's wrong with that ?

If Darden would have used guys that looked like a Planet Fitness members , nobody would have even picked it up.


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Indeed, indeed.


Jesse Lee


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