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Equity

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.
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tensionstrength

Equity wrote:
As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

What is the link to this interview?
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sirloin

Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.


Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.


==Scott==
If I understood Franco correctly he was commenting how Mentzers physique was more mass and soft like instead of hard like a chiseled stone? If he felt that was about Mentzer I imagine he would think Arnolds physique, who he trained with, would be more in tune with the Michelin man or an inflated balloon?
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Equity

sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.


Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

don't trust the words of someone who never stood up against his buddy winning the 80 Olympia and also that did not deserve to win the 81 Olympia

gave a black eye to the sport with those two fixed olympia's

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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



==Scott==
I don't think there's anything Mentzer could have done to emphasize his taper anymore than Viator could have regardless of what routine he did. His bone structure and such gave him a stubby blocky wide hipped appearance. He's not going to look aesthetically pleasing like Zane no matter what he did. That's why he or Casey could never beat Arnold. Big ass muscles but unpleasing lines.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

hit4me wrote:
don't trust the words of someone who never stood up against his buddy winning the 80 Olympia and also that did not deserve to win the 81 Olympia

gave a black eye to the sport with those two fixed olympia's



==Scott==
Joe Weider thought they should win, ha ha!!
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

If you want to see a tremendous V taper ,find some photos of Jim Haislop when he was Mr. America.
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sirloin

Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



Sorry E, went off topic. My understand was that he was using 3 full body workouts at the time. I believe thats how he trained for the 80 olympia. Perhaps for that reason he was in the gym for longer, perhaps talking and checking out the comp, but i doubt training the entire time.

But i believe what Franco was saying, is that Mike dont not engage in very heavy lifting, and thus didnt have that chiseled stone look.
By heavy lifting; Franco was noted for deadlifting 750lb, benching 525lb and squatting 655lb at a bw of 185lb.

Best
Rob
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Equity

hit4me wrote:
don't trust the words of someone who never stood up against his buddy winning the 80 Olympia and also that did not deserve to win the 81 Olympia

gave a black eye to the sport with those two fixed olympia's



When watching the interview I felt at the beginning Columbu was sincere. Then the question about the Mentzer's popped up and my ears pricked up... why? Because of the '80 Olympia and Mike's insult about Columbu being 'Arnold's namby pamby lackey' which I'm sure Columbu was aware of. Hence I'm questioning his objectivity in relation to the training length/volume thing.


Anyway keep playing good golf!!!

Regards.
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Equity

entsminger wrote:
Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



==Scott==
I don't think there's anything Mentzer could have done to emphasize his taper anymore than Viator could have regardless of what routine he did. His bone structure and such gave him a stubby blocky wide hipped appearance. He's not going to look aesthetically pleasing like Zane no matter what he did. That's why he or Casey could never beat Arnold. Big ass muscles but unpleasing lines.


Agreed... Genetics (Mostly).

That was Columbu's assertion though; that the type of training (Heavy Duty) gave Mike an unpleasing physique.


I smell bad blood but it wasn't obvious in the interview.


Regards.
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Equity

sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



Sorry E, went off topic. My understand was that he was using 3 full body workouts at the time. I believe thats how he trained for the 80 olympia. Perhaps for that reason he was in the gym for longer, perhaps talking and checking out the comp, but i doubt training the entire time.

But i believe what Franco was saying, is that Mike dont not engage in very heavy lifting, and thus didnt have that chiseled stone look.
By heavy lifting; Franco was noted for deadlifting 750lb, benching 525lb and squatting 655lb at a bw of 185lb.

Best
Rob


Rob,

I was always of the understanding that Mentzer himself always trained heavy and maxed out weight stacks and such (rest-pause).

At times during the interview I was confused as to what Columbu was saying regarding Mike's training style and the results of which.

Columbu seemed amiable enough though.

Cheers!




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Equity

Bill Sekerak wrote:
If you want to see a tremendous V taper ,find some photos of Jim Haislop when he was Mr. America.


Bill,

I haven't got a photo of him but here's one of me!!!

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hit4me

Florida, USA

Equity wrote:
hit4me wrote:
don't trust the words of someone who never stood up against his buddy winning the 80 Olympia and also that did not deserve to win the 81 Olympia

gave a black eye to the sport with those two fixed olympia's



When watching the interview I felt at the beginning Columbu was sincere. Then the question about the Mentzer's popped up and my ears pricked up... why? Because of the '80 Olympia and Mike's insult about Columbu being 'Arnold's namby pamby lackey' which I'm sure Columbu was aware of. Hence I'm questioning his objectivity in relation to the training length/volume thing.


Anyway keep playing good golf!!!

Regards.


Roger Schwab claims he trained Mike for the 80 Olympia, it was three days a week high intensity full body training...I will believe him over Franco


I used to be a huge Franco fan when I first started training back in the 80s, but the more I learn, the more I lose respect
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sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



Sorry E, went off topic. My understand was that he was using 3 full body workouts at the time. I believe thats how he trained for the 80 olympia. Perhaps for that reason he was in the gym for longer, perhaps talking and checking out the comp, but i doubt training the entire time.

But i believe what Franco was saying, is that Mike dont not engage in very heavy lifting, and thus didnt have that chiseled stone look.
By heavy lifting; Franco was noted for deadlifting 750lb, benching 525lb and squatting 655lb at a bw of 185lb.

Best
Rob

Franco never benched pressed 525, at least not when he wrote his autobiography in the late 70s where he discussed the topic in depth. I suspect the other lifts are exaggerations too or gym lifts. Mike MacDonald did a bona fide 522 in competition with 16? arms and I believe rick weil still has the 181 record at 556 in the mid 1980s.

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Virginia, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
If you want to see a tremendous V taper ,find some photos of Jim Haislop when he was Mr. America.


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entsminger

Virginia, USA

But i believe what Franco was saying, is that Mike dont not engage in very heavy lifting, and thus didnt have that chiseled stone look.
By heavy

== Scott==
I?m not sure what he was training for at the time but when I trained next to Mentzer for several months he was using entire stacks on Nautilus machines plus a helper adding resistance like the weights were nothing. I only saw Columbo once wearing a Hawaiian shirt so I don?t know how rock hard he looked but Mentzer looked about as hard and chiseled then as I think one could get. Columbo suffered from the same stubby wide hipped none classical sleek look that Mentzer did so its like the pot calling the kettle black.
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sirloin

Franco said the same about his besty in pumping iron "Arnold is bigger than me, but i am more muscular". I dont there was any malace intended over Mikes physique in that interview.
As far as maxing out machines goes, i was maxing out the same universal style machines he pressed on when i was 17 lol. Franco was a much stronger indivdual.



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sirloin

kurtvf wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Equity wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=qnXl5JI4ETA

As per title.

At 19.00 minutes a mention about how Mike and Ray Mentzer trained in the late 70's. Can anyone verify this?


BTW, IMO Columbu sounds like a nice guy.


Thanks.

Completely agree with Franco's opinion on Mikes physique.

Agreed; I think more emphasis should be placed on keeping a taper etc... especially for shorter guys like Columbu was saying.

I didn't make myself clear enough in my opinion in the original post though about the Mentzer's training. I should have added did the Mentzer's perform volume training on top of the higher intensity stuff at that time?

Regards.



Sorry E, went off topic. My understand was that he was using 3 full body workouts at the time. I believe thats how he trained for the 80 olympia. Perhaps for that reason he was in the gym for longer, perhaps talking and checking out the comp, but i doubt training the entire time.

But i believe what Franco was saying, is that Mike dont not engage in very heavy lifting, and thus didnt have that chiseled stone look.
By heavy lifting; Franco was noted for deadlifting 750lb, benching 525lb and squatting 655lb at a bw of 185lb.

Best
Rob
Franco never benched pressed 525, at least not when he wrote his autobiography in the late 70s where he discussed the topic in depth. I suspect the other lifts are exaggerations too or gym lifts. Mike MacDonald did a bona fide 522 in competition with 16? arms and I believe rick weil still has the 181 record at 556 in the mid 1980s.



Theres a pic on the internet of Franco benching what looks close to 450lb...and his feet arent even on the floor, its also raw. Ive no doubt if he was equipped and with his feet firmly on the floor its likey he could pull off such a lift.
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Mentzer's physique looked rock hard in photos. One could say he was too blocky or missed on some symmetry aspects, but with hardness there is no question.
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Crotalus

I didn't see the interview yet but anyone who says Mentzer looked soft when in contest shape are out of their minds.

I always liked Franco but being dedicated to his best friend Arnold who always had a rotten relationship with Mentzer, I'd never expect him to have anything complimentary to say about Mike.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

there is no doubt that Franco was extremely strong (probably the strongest for his height and weight), but to say that Mike was not is silly

there were eye witnesses that can attest to Mike's strength along with Ray Mentzer and Viator's strength too
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I suspect the other lifts are exaggerations too or gym lifts.

==Scott==

Almost everything you hear in the bodybuilding world is an exaggeration in one form or another. Everyone has 20 inch arms and 27 inch waist and benches 600 pounds. I can't say for these days as there's so many roid monsters but years ago there was probably only one or two with legitimate 20 inch arms and one was Sergio. Mentzer, Zane or almost none of those guys of that period had anything close to 20 inches. I'd be suprized if Arnolds was even 20?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

entsminger wrote:
I suspect the other lifts are exaggerations too or gym lifts.

==Scott==

Almost everything you hear in the bodybuilding world is an exaggeration in one form or another. Everyone has 20 inch arms and 27 inch waist and benches 600 pounds. I can't say for these days as there's so many roid monsters but years ago there was probably only one or two with legitimate 20 inch arms and one was Sergio. Mentzer, Zane or almost none of those guys of that period had anything close to 20 inches. I'd be suprized if Arnolds was even 20?


Mentzer indicated that his arms measured about 18" cold
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