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oldbutsteady

I was wondering how many have or are studying a martial art. If so, what style?

Thank you for your time,

OBS
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epdavis7

I have pretty much been involved in martial arts (both western and eastern) and combat sports since I was a tyke.

Started boxing and sport judo before I was 10. Trained in traditional judo which has a more self defense aspect to include striking and modifying throws to make them more deadly. Was simulataneously studying Goju Ryu Karate and Taekwondo for quite some time. Trained in Wing Chun/Original JKD for many years. Wrestled all throughout high school. My Dad was an avid boxer and judo player and was also a commando PT Instructor/Dirty Fighting instructor and picked up a bit from him. I still train 2-3 days a week with a group of guys, but we are totally focused on reality based self defense to include weapons of all sort including firearms. I try to almost daily do 15 minutes of dry fire shooting drills with a laser pistol setup in my garage (shooting on the move, while crouching, engaging multiple targets, from awkward positions, low light shooting etc. I train HIT and enjoy running races, but it is my first love and probably what I spend more time on. I do a moderate amount of body/tool hardening for the unarmed aspect of self defense, but don't get too carried away with it as I have seen the results of people who carry it to extremes and how it has impacted their overall health.
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Jiu jitsu

Got my black belt at 57 years old

Still train 2-4 days per week

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epdavis7

st3 wrote:
Jiu jitsu

Got my black belt at 57 years old

Still train 2-4 days per week

Steve


Thats awesome!
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oldbutsteady

Epd: I'm a bit jealous as I didn't start training until me teen years and I like the mix. I agree with your assessment of sweeps and tosses, if a person doesn't know how to breakfall or roll, they usually are broken. I also agree with your position on body hardening, I have issues with my hands and wrist due to my early years of training.

st3: Well done! It is never too late to learn something new and keep fit as the same time.

I started out in Oki Goju in my teen years and then moved onto Oki Kempo, studied for 3 years in Japan while in the Nav, received Dan ranking. That covers my traditional Karate period. I had a bit of a falling out with the Karate association and we parted ways. I moved onto Western style systems studying Kickboxing and Boxing for a decade give or take. For the last ten years I've studied WW2 Unarmed Combatives and stick fighting techniques which I practice 3 days a week.
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epdavis7

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Epd: I'm a bit jealous as I didn't start training until me teen years and I like the mix. I agree with your assessment of sweeps and tosses, if a person doesn't know how to breakfall or roll, they usually are broken. I also agree with your position on body hardening, I have issues with my hands and wrist due to my early years of training.

st3: Well done! It is never too late to learn something new and keep fit as the same time.

I started out in Oki Goju in my teen years and then moved onto Oki Kempo, studied for 3 years in Japan while in the Nav, received Dan ranking. That covers my traditional Karate period. I had a bit of a falling out with the Karate association and we parted ways. I moved onto Western style systems studying Kickboxing and Boxing for a decade give or take. For the last ten years I've studied WW2 Unarmed Combatives and stick fighting techniques which I practice 3 days a week.
OBS


If you really concentrated on the Fairbairn, Applegate, Sykes techniques with some John Styers and dirty combat Judo that would be most a man would need to know. Throw in some stickfighting, the knife fighting techniques of both Styers and Applegate and point shooting (as well as aimed fire) and you are golden for most situations. You probably already know this, but anything by Carl Cestari which can be ordered off the website of the same name is excellent. It seems simplistic, until you start peeling back the layers of the onion. Just as in lifting, the basics mastered are what matters.
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oldbutsteady

Spot on epd. Well said!

Like weight training too much BS and garbage is floating around in the martial arts world. K.I.S.S. will always apply.

Mastering the basics is exactly what is overlooked currently and the basics is all I practice. The offensive and defensive applications.

I have an idea what you're going to say but can I ask you what do you think of this MMA fad sweeping the US?

OBS
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Nwlifter

oldbutsteady wrote:
I was wondering how many have or are studying a martial art. If so, what style?

Thank you for your time,

OBS


Many many years ago...
Bak Sing Choy Li Fut
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epdavis7

oldbutsteady wrote:
Spot on epd. Well said!

Like weight training too much BS and garbage is floating around in the martial arts world. K.I.S.S. will always apply.

Mastering the basics is exactly what is overlooked currently and the basics is all I practice. The offensive and defensive applications.

I have an idea what you're going to say but can I ask you what do you think of this MMA fad sweeping the US?

OBS


This is just my perspective and I don't claim to be any kind of expert. I am impressed by the athleticism and fighting spirit of all combat sport competitors to include MMA athletes. It takes a set of stones to get in there and lay it all out on the line.

That being said, a real life violent encounter is not a sport with a known set of rules agreed upon by both competitors where you face each other in a dueling stance. Most real life encounters are violent ambushes (with weapons) where the element of surprise is key. Most MMA fighters do not train on how to deal with weapons or multiple opponenets. Here are some differences I would like to highlight.

1. In real life encounters situational awareness and tactics are foremost. Basically, don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Some things you can never prepare for ie getting Tboned in traffic, shot by someone with a highpowered rifle and a scope, or someone poisoning your food etc.

2. Per Fairbairn, unarmed fighting is for people stupid enough to be caught unarmed. I have a CCW and always carry even when running. Day to day I have a knife, pepper spray and carry my version of "Lucille...Walking Dead Reference lol" when out walking my dogs. I train unarmed combatives hard, but my intent is to fight to a better weapon. A sharpened #2 pistol can be deadly in the right hands. Situational weapons are always available ie a garden brick, a broken bottle, a handful of dirt etc. Run them over with your car if you have to.

3. I loved Judo and Wrestling. I was quite good at it, but going to the ground intentionally in the real world is beyond stupid. While you are trying to apply a choke, leglock or armbar submission, his three friends are booting you in the head.

4. Study the illegal techniques in combat sports and train them hard. Some of these techniques you can't practice on training partners without harming them so you will have to use training dummies to carry them out to their logical conclusion. Being strong overall is great, but work the hell out of your grip ie thick bar wrist curls and reverse wrist curls, grippers etc. I also like to close my grippers with just my fingers and thumbs.

5. Your intent should not be to win, but to get away. You are not trying to fight it out John Wayne style mano a mano and knock the guy out, submit him etc. I want to get home to those I care about period; whatever it takes fair or foul.

6. Home security is important and is another topic in and of itself. Alarms, staged weapons in your house, good relationships with immediate neighbors, neigborhood watch programs etc.

7. I'm not 25 anymore. What a young MMA fighter who trains 20+ hours a week can do has no relevance to a guy like me who has a job, a family and limited time to train. In his environment, playing by his rules, I wouldn't stand much of a chance. When its for real, I would stack the deck so much in my favor he wouldn't stand much of a chance. Sportsmanship, fair play and honor go out the window when its for real.

8. In real life, be polite and courteous but not a pushover. Bar fights, road rage incidents etc are stupid. Walk away if you can, but be aware of the sucker punch.

9. We are all going to get old, get sick, get injured, get exhausted, get emotionally or physically distracted etc. What you practice should rely on gross motor movement and not rely on fine motor skills.

I'd post more, but I've already gotten long winded. I'm no expert nor do I play one on TV, just some things I've picked up along the way.
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Chris H

epdavis7 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Spot on epd. Well said!

Like weight training too much BS and garbage is floating around in the martial arts world. K.I.S.S. will always apply.

Mastering the basics is exactly what is overlooked currently and the basics is all I practice. The offensive and defensive applications.

I have an idea what you're going to say but can I ask you what do you think of this MMA fad sweeping the US?

OBS

This is just my perspective and I don't claim to be any kind of expert. I am impressed by the athleticism and fighting spirit of all combat sport competitors to include MMA athletes. It takes a set of stones to get in there and lay it all out on the line.

That being said, a real life violent encounter is not a sport with a known set of rules agreed upon by both competitors where you face each other in a dueling stance. Most real life encounters are violent ambushes (with weapons) where the element of surprise is key. Most MMA fighters do not train on how to deal with weapons or multiple opponenets. Here are some differences I would like to highlight.

1. In real life encounters situational awareness and tactics are foremost. Basically, don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Some things you can never prepare for ie getting Tboned in traffic, shot by someone with a highpowered rifle and a scope, or someone poisoning your food etc.

2. Per Fairbairn, unarmed fighting is for people stupid enough to be caught unarmed. I have a CCW and always carry even when running. Day to day I have a knife, pepper spray and carry my version of "Lucille...Walking Dead Reference lol" when out walking my dogs. I train unarmed combatives hard, but my intent is to fight to a better weapon. A sharpened #2 pistol can be deadly in the right hands. Situational weapons are always available ie a garden brick, a broken bottle, a handful of dirt etc. Run them over with your car if you have to.

3. I loved Judo and Wrestling. I was quite good at it, but going to the ground intentionally in the real world is beyond stupid. While you are trying to apply a choke, leglock or armbar submission, his three friends are booting you in the head.

4. Study the illegal techniques in combat sports and train them hard. Some of these techniques you can't practice on training partners without harming them so you will have to use training dummies to carry them out to their logical conclusion. Being strong overall is great, but work the hell out of your grip ie thick bar wrist curls and reverse wrist curls, grippers etc. I also like to close my grippers with just my fingers and thumbs.

5. Your intent should not be to win, but to get away. You are not trying to fight it out John Wayne style mano a mano and knock the guy out, submit him etc. I want to get home to those I care about period; whatever it takes fair or foul.

6. Home security is important and is another topic in and of itself. Alarms, staged weapons in your house, good relationships with immediate neighbors, neigborhood watch programs etc.

7. I'm not 25 anymore. What a young MMA fighter who trains 20+ hours a week can do has no relevance to a guy like me who has a job, a family and limited time to train. In his environment, playing by his rules, I wouldn't stand much of a chance. When its for real, I would stack the deck so much in my favor he wouldn't stand much of a chance. Sportsmanship, fair play and honor go out the window when its for real.

8. In real life, be polite and courteous but not a pushover. Bar fights, road rage incidents etc are stupid. Walk away if you can, but be aware of the sucker punch.

9. We are all going to get old, get sick, get injured, get exhausted, get emotionally or physically distracted etc. What you practice should rely on gross motor movement and not rely on fine motor skills.

I'd post more, but I've already gotten long winded. I'm no expert nor do I play one on TV, just some things I've picked up along the way.


i live in London England, thankfully in an outer London Borough {the Burbs in America i think} not an inner London Borough.
138 people were stabbed to death in London in 2018, thousands more were actually victims of knife crime, thousands more likely victims of general violent attacks. We have gun issues to, with the gangs and drugs.
The Metropolitan Police does not control the streets anymore, and wont due to Political correctness and Government cuts to Public services.
They wil talk tough but it wont amount to much if anything.
In addition to what you say, if your unlucky and get caught in a confrontational situation, yse subterfuge.
I.E - feigh being submissive - only for a few seconds, turn you would be attackers defences off. "I don't want any trouble Mate" or something similar, whilst acting scared, wild eyed and feeble, - THEN go through the prat with extreme prejudice, what ever it takes to stop the person, or enable who escape.
Bust jaws and cheekbones, gouge eyes, snap fingers, bite the bastard, split a ball -bag. Be nasty, and stay alive.

Lift weights safely to stay healthy strong, learn some easy non complex dirty moves, hit a punch bag until proficient, maybe train to run a mile quickly - lol
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epdavis7

Chris H wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Spot on epd. Well said!

Like weight training too much BS and garbage is floating around in the martial arts world. K.I.S.S. will always apply.

Mastering the basics is exactly what is overlooked currently and the basics is all I practice. The offensive and defensive applications.

I have an idea what you're going to say but can I ask you what do you think of this MMA fad sweeping the US?

OBS

This is just my perspective and I don't claim to be any kind of expert. I am impressed by the athleticism and fighting spirit of all combat sport competitors to include MMA athletes. It takes a set of stones to get in there and lay it all out on the line.

That being said, a real life violent encounter is not a sport with a known set of rules agreed upon by both competitors where you face each other in a dueling stance. Most real life encounters are violent ambushes (with weapons) where the element of surprise is key. Most MMA fighters do not train on how to deal with weapons or multiple opponenets. Here are some differences I would like to highlight.

1. In real life encounters situational awareness and tactics are foremost. Basically, don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Some things you can never prepare for ie getting Tboned in traffic, shot by someone with a highpowered rifle and a scope, or someone poisoning your food etc.

2. Per Fairbairn, unarmed fighting is for people stupid enough to be caught unarmed. I have a CCW and always carry even when running. Day to day I have a knife, pepper spray and carry my version of "Lucille...Walking Dead Reference lol" when out walking my dogs. I train unarmed combatives hard, but my intent is to fight to a better weapon. A sharpened #2 pistol can be deadly in the right hands. Situational weapons are always available ie a garden brick, a broken bottle, a handful of dirt etc. Run them over with your car if you have to.

3. I loved Judo and Wrestling. I was quite good at it, but going to the ground intentionally in the real world is beyond stupid. While you are trying to apply a choke, leglock or armbar submission, his three friends are booting you in the head.

4. Study the illegal techniques in combat sports and train them hard. Some of these techniques you can't practice on training partners without harming them so you will have to use training dummies to carry them out to their logical conclusion. Being strong overall is great, but work the hell out of your grip ie thick bar wrist curls and reverse wrist curls, grippers etc. I also like to close my grippers with just my fingers and thumbs.

5. Your intent should not be to win, but to get away. You are not trying to fight it out John Wayne style mano a mano and knock the guy out, submit him etc. I want to get home to those I care about period; whatever it takes fair or foul.

6. Home security is important and is another topic in and of itself. Alarms, staged weapons in your house, good relationships with immediate neighbors, neigborhood watch programs etc.

7. I'm not 25 anymore. What a young MMA fighter who trains 20+ hours a week can do has no relevance to a guy like me who has a job, a family and limited time to train. In his environment, playing by his rules, I wouldn't stand much of a chance. When its for real, I would stack the deck so much in my favor he wouldn't stand much of a chance. Sportsmanship, fair play and honor go out the window when its for real.

8. In real life, be polite and courteous but not a pushover. Bar fights, road rage incidents etc are stupid. Walk away if you can, but be aware of the sucker punch.

9. We are all going to get old, get sick, get injured, get exhausted, get emotionally or physically distracted etc. What you practice should rely on gross motor movement and not rely on fine motor skills.

I'd post more, but I've already gotten long winded. I'm no expert nor do I play one on TV, just some things I've picked up along the way.

i live in London England, thankfully in an outer London Borough {the Burbs in America i think} not an inner London Borough.
138 people were stabbed to death in London in 2018, thousands more were actually victims of knife crime, thousands more likely victims of general violent attacks. We have gun issues to, with the gangs and drugs.
The Metropolitan Police does not control the streets anymore, and wont due to Political correctness and Government cuts to Public services.
They wil talk tough but it wont amount to much if anything.
In addition to what you say, if your unlucky and get caught in a confrontational situation, yse subterfuge.
I.E - feigh being submissive - only for a few seconds, turn you would be attackers defences off. "I don't want any trouble Mate" or something similar, whilst acting scared, wild eyed and feeble, - THEN go through the prat with extreme prejudice, what ever it takes to stop the person, or enable who escape.
Bust jaws and cheekbones, gouge eyes, snap fingers, bite the bastard, split a ball -bag. Be nasty, and stay alive.

Lift weights safely to stay healthy strong, learn some easy non complex dirty moves, hit a punch bag until proficient, maybe train to run a mile quickly - lol


Agreed! Subterfuge is a good one I left off.
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oldbutsteady

edp

I completely agree with your post and doubly so concerning being prepared and aware, not going to the ground, and gross motor skill.

Chris I feel for you and you raise good safety points as well.

I also carry a knife, 20" stick, and a knotted rope just in case. As for the rope, Chris this could be useful as I know London has an issue with carry knives. Go to a sports store and purchase about 1 meter of heavy rock climbing rope (11-13mm) fold it in half and knot both ends, it is a surprisingly good improvised weapon.

My all time favorite instructor had two sayings that I always fall back on:

"There are only two types of fighters, those that look up and those that look down"

"You stop aggression with a superior form of aggression"

OBS
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oldbutsteady wrote:
edp

I completely agree with your post and doubly so concerning being prepared and aware, not going to the ground, and gross motor skill.

Chris I feel for you and you raise good safety points as well.

I also carry a knife, 20" stick, and a knotted rope just in case. As for the rope, Chris this could be useful as I know London has an issue with carry knives. Go to a sports store and purchase about 1 meter of heavy rock climbing rope (11-13mm) fold it in half and knot both ends, it is a surprisingly good improvised weapon.

My all time favorite instructor had two sayings that I always fall back on:

"There are only two types of fighters, those that look up and those that look down"

"You stop aggression with a superior form of aggression"

OBS


my fav quotes are

"boards don't hit back"

"the art of fighting without fighting"
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sirloin

Spent over 20 years training in different systems, TKD, Wing Tsun, Latosa Escrima, Savate, Thai Boxing and Krav Maga. Looking back, i see every system as a money spinner, that lull many into a false sense of security.

Ive more truck with the English martial artist / writer Geoff Thompson, he said "what works in reality could be written on the back of a postage stamp", he made this statement after being involed in thousands of physical encounters as a door man in some of Englands most ruffest clubs.
As he saw it, most tradional martial arts dont prep people for the "pavement arena". Thompson was one of the first to talk about using both a verbal and physical "fence" and if all else fails, using a pre-emptive strike...not trying to block then counter as he'd always been taught.

These days i personally just work on a setting up a few basic strikes that have served me well on a few occassions. I put the ornomental techniques i learn't years ago where they belong....on the mantle piece.


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sirloin wrote:
Spent over 20 years training in different systems, TKD, Wing Tsun, Latosa Escrima, Savate, Thai Boxing and Krav Maga. Looking back, i see every system as a money spinner, that lull many into a false sense of security.

Ive more truck with the English martial artist / writer Geoff Thompson, he said "what works in reality could be written on the back of a postage stamp", he made this statement after being involed in thousands of physical encounters as a door man in some of Englands most ruffest clubs.
As he saw it, most tradional martial arts dont prep people for the "pavement arena". Thompson was one of the first to talk about using both a verbal and physical "fence" and if all else fails, using a pre-emptive strike...not trying to block then counter as he'd always been taught.

These days i personally just work on a setting up a few basic strikes that have served me well on a few occasions. I put the ornamental techniques i learn't years ago where they belong....on the mantle piece.




The sniper option or 3 second fighter i think Thompson called it.
Read that years ago, and for someone who had dabbled in boxing when in my teens, it resonated.
A number of years back two mates of mine trained in kickboxing, jujitsu and krav Maga. They were/are both big lads, 6'2 and 6'3 and around 210 pounds lean.
They loved the experience, and fully respected their instructors, but both agreed there were many flaws in these arts for real world application.
Funnily they again both said they had a handle on the black belts within a few short months of joining the classes.
Size can and does count, particular lean fast size.
At the time i had a big garage, tons of weights, heavy punch bag etc etc, and in exchange for me letting them use, they showed me the practical stuff.
My mates said it was harder sparring me, then anyone in the Martial arts schools ?
I'm 6'6" around 230 lean.
Not saying this makes me impervious to pain or assault, but i believe if you walk softly but strong, you can offset a whole load of problems.
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oldbutsteady

Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS
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oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS


Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .
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sgb2112

I think these 'sport' fighters can more often than not handle themselves in the street..

https://youtu.be/DG6iBSUxMPY
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epdavis7

ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .


Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.
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ron33

epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

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Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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ron33

epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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ron33

epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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ron33

epdavis7 wrote:
ron33 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
Agreed sirloin, real world experience is what matters not dojo ramblings of a person that has never had a fight without a referee.

OBS

Agree , I know a scrappy guy that plays pool for money, is only 5' 7" about 165-70 lbs. the guy has been beat with pool sticks , black jacks stabbed and shot at trying to retrieve his money thru the yrs. from people that tried to not pay up . several yrs back a mma guy that outweighed him about 20 lbs and was about 20 yrs younger and 5 inches taller was knocked out with 3 hits by this guy when mma guy started some trouble with him . mma guy went on to become a champion for a little while .The scrappy guy was always athletic and fast , had a bad car wreck before this altercation had broken leg, pin from hip to knee , blood cot removed from brain and vert replaced in neck . pool player had kind of rough life been getting in bar fights since about 16 yr old .I think life prepares some people to handle certain situations better . MMA champ must have been waitin for bell to ring, before he had his bell rung . The pool player is always laughing and joking , I guess people mistake that for weakness .

Element of suprise. When I was in the 9th grade we had a huge guy (Senior) in High School who was a major jerk and bully in our PE class. He was a cruel, mean individual with a sadistic streak a mile wide. I was the only one who wouldn't back down from him. Despite all my training for years in MA's, I asked my Dad what I should do. I got three winter socks bunched together for reinforcement and filled them full of batteries. I watched him for a few days and saw where he hung out after classes. I waited around a corner and when he came around I nailed him several times and put the boots to him. There was blood everywhere and everyone was freaking out. I got expelled for a period of time, but it was worth it. He never bothered me or anyone else until he graduated a few months later. I became a semi-celebrity in our Podunk High School. Not sure what you would label that martial art technique lol. Hated I had to do it, but the guy was an ass and big as a house. I've had quite a few scraps since then, but I've learned to avoid trouble in my old age. I still train for it though.

Justice served , when big pricks like that get what the deserve . Hopefully u saved others from being bullied, and he learned a life lesson .
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