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uchiyama1

Dr.Darden,

I remember reading in Ken?s new Music and Dance book that you and Ken had conversed about Dr. Jason Fung?s work. I believe you said he doesn?t quite understand exercise.

I recently read his book The Obesity Code. I was wondering if you could comment on his stance that insulin is the main driver in weight gain and not calorie consumption.

Also I?d be interested to hear your take on his statement the calorie-less beverages like Diet Coke spike insulin. This seems off to me. It would seem odd to me if someone consumed nothing but Diet Coke they would gain fat. Although I know diet sodas are not great for you, I consume a ton of it and I?m 6?2 187 pounds with 8.5% body fat. Either diet soda doesn?t spike insulin or insulin isn?t the bad guy it is made out to be.

Chip
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Ellington Darden

uchiyama1 wrote:
Dr.Darden,

I remember reading in Ken?s new Music and Dance book that you and Ken had conversed about Dr. Jason Fung?s work. I believe you said he doesn?t quite understand exercise.

I recently read his book The Obesity Code. I was wondering if you could comment on his stance that insulin is the main driver in weight gain and not calorie consumption.

Also I?d be interested to hear your take on his statement the calorie-less beverages like Diet Coke spike insulin. This seems off to me. It would seem odd to me if someone consumed nothing but Diet Coke they would gain fat. Although I know diet sodas are not great for you, I consume a ton of it and I?m 6?2 187 pounds with 8.5% body fat. Either diet soda doesn?t spike insulin or insulin isn?t the bad guy it is made out to be.

Chip


Chip,

In reading Fung's "Obesity Code," I marked his text with many minuses and pluses. He has many good points but he also has many points that I disagree with him on. He pushes insulin as the main culprit in fat gain. In my book, "Killing Fat," I push too many calories.

If you compare our books, I have plenty of evidence in the form of before and after measurements and photos. Fung has no photos. I don't believe he has a single name of a person he has worked with in losing fat. Not one! And Fung does not get into the importance of building muscle as you are losing fat.

On the artificially sweetened diet drinks, the data from the British Journal of Nutrition did not show that consuming these drinks caused cravings. I believe you are okay in drinking reasonable numbers of them each day.

Ellington
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Gainz

Dr Darren with respect,if you study the gut microbiome/systemic inflammation and the effect artificial sweeteners have upon it, you definitely wouldn't recommend such drinks in any shape or form.

The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.
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Lioncourt

Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.


And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.
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Gainz

Lioncourt wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.

And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.


The point clearly went over your head champ.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

I have tried numerous types of so-called diets, paleo, keto, mediteranean, carnivore, intermittent, vegetarian or just the American diet

the only one that worked to lose weight was calories in vs calories out, I took in less calories than I burned 5 to 6 times a day....good carb rich, protein and fat was the balance
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ATP 4 Vitality

Gainz wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.

And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.

The point clearly went over your head champ.


If - The point - was as clear as you believe it is, then why is - The point - so hard to understand?

Perhaps the problem lies in the explanation. Perhaps data, facts, logic, illustrations, and real examples could be provided. That responsibility lies with you.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Dr Darren with respect,if you study the gut microbiome/systemic inflammation and the effect artificial sweeteners have upon it, you definitely wouldn't recommend such drinks in any shape or form.

==Scott==
I'd have to agree with this but possibly Dr. Darden was referring to the cravings a diet soda might evoke vrs the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?
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HeavyHitter32

hit4me wrote:
I have tried numerous types of so-called diets, paleo, keto, mediteranean, carnivore, intermittent, vegetarian or just the American diet

the only one that worked to lose weight was calories in vs calories out, I took in less calories than I burned 5 to 6 times a day....good carb rich, protein and fat was the balance


I stay around 10% bodyfat (without working hard to achieve it) and I'm 47 without..I just stick to *fiber-based* carbs (key here), quality fats and proteins. More of a balance...I don't do carb counting, calorie counting, etc. I end up eating what I want until I am no longer hungry and stop there. I never eat until I am "full". The foods I eat keep me satiated. Doing weight training and cardio helps a lot too. Building lean body mass absolutely is essential especially as one ages. All of this comes down to lifestyle changes and I've been doing this for a long time.

The average american eats crap, loses muscle every year after 35...and then wonders how they are fat. Many people are stupid and in pure denial. (Sorry for the quick rant, but I hear this all of the time and it gets so old).
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steakplate

What's the general opinion on meal frequency, i.e. fasting for 24+ hours for weight loss?

I find that with HIT and trying to do every other day eating on training days it's hard.

Plus if I intermittent fast and eat roughly 1,100 calories of mostly protein and fat I stay full for over 6+ hours and when I get to the gym I feel slightly tired.

But also there's also people who say multiple small meals makes you insulin resistant so I'm planning on just drinking a good portion of my calories vs eating it all.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

steakplate wrote:
What's the general opinion on meal frequency, i.e. fasting for 24+ hours for weight loss?

I find that with HIT and trying to do every other day eating on training days it's hard.

Plus if I intermittent fast and eat roughly 1,100 calories of mostly protein and fat I stay full for over 6+ hours and when I get to the gym I feel slightly tired.

But also there's also people who say multiple small meals makes you insulin resistant so I'm planning on just drinking a good portion of my calories vs eating it all.


I have tried intermittent fast....I tend to eat junk when I do that, I have found that be eating 5 times a day, it keeps me satisfied and from overeating, I eat between 200 to 400 calories per meal...i.e, breakfast will be 3 eggs with butter, 2nd meal will be a banana and peanut butter, lunch is 5 to 8 ounces protein with a sweet potato and butter, 4th snack is an orange and peanut butter and dinner will be the same as lunch..so I average 1400 to 1800 calories per day, also drink a gallon of ice water per day.....works for me
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HeavyHitter32

I was watching a Joe Rogan podcast with David Sinclair - Harvard scientist who studies longevity as the molecule level. Very interesting to listen to if you get a chance. A lot of promising things on the horizon. On any rate, he eats one time a day and it only consists of vegetables and sometimes some chicken or fish. He claims fasting absolutely prolongs lifespan as does staying lean with calorie restriction. Going hungry is actually very good for you he says.

One thing I do is, I don't eat least least 5 hours before bedtime (helps digestion). So, by the time I wake up and workout, I might go 12-13 hours every day without eating. I've been doing this for almost six years. I've lost weight (fat) just naturally this way. So, it's kind of like a "mini-fast" but each day. Initially it was difficult as I had always been a late night eater, but I was able to adjust to it just making sure my last meal of the day was large enough.
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Gainz

The carnivore diet is where it's at people.

Look into the works of Dr's Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Paul Mason or Georgia Ede on YouTube.

A lot of the long held beliefs regarding fruit/veg and fibre etc are now being seriously challenged.

Check out the website 'meat heals' also.
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ATP 4 Vitality

entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?


Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!
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ATP 4 Vitality

Gainz wrote:
The carnivore diet is where it's at people.

Look into the works of Dr's Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Paul Mason or Georgia Ede on YouTube.

A lot of the long held beliefs regarding fruit/veg and fibre etc are now being seriously challenged.

Check out the website 'meat heals' also.


In perhaps 3 concise clear sentences or less, please present the logic behind a carnivore diet and where it is at.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!


== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.
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1958

Texas, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The carnivore diet is where it's at people.

Look into the works of Dr's Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Paul Mason or Georgia Ede on YouTube.

A lot of the long held beliefs regarding fruit/veg and fibre etc are now being seriously challenged.

Check out the website 'meat heals' also.

In perhaps 3 concise clear sentences or less, please present the logic behind a carnivore diet and where it is at.


Gainz,the mythical owner of the 22" neck(LOL) has presented his demands! Your response must not exceed three sentences! God! What a dick he is!

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ATP 4 Vitality

entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!

== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.


You are the custodian, so perhaps you would have the humility to clean up your own mess. Name calling and unmerited claims are not very convincing.
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Gainz

1958 wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The carnivore diet is where it's at people.

Look into the works of Dr's Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Paul Mason or Georgia Ede on YouTube.

A lot of the long held beliefs regarding fruit/veg and fibre etc are now being seriously challenged.

Check out the website 'meat heals' also.

In perhaps 3 concise clear sentences or less, please present the logic behind a carnivore diet and where it is at.

Gainz,the mythical owner of the 22" neck(LOL) has presented his demands! Your response must not exceed three sentences! God! What a dick he is!



22 inches of genitalia emanating from his forehead....

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1958

Texas, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!
ATP/marcph claims he possesses a 22" neck!
An unproven claim! Show us!!!

== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.

You are the custodian, so perhaps you would have the humility to clean up your own mess. Name calling and unmerited claims are not very convincing.


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backtrack

Diet drinks in all forms are junk.

With regards to diet the answer is both.

Most obese people eat too many calories, but they also tend to eat high carbohydrate foods with a high glycemic index.

The body is very efficient at converting high GI foods into fat. Also, these foods are never satisfying so people in general tend to eat more in order to feel satisfied. Too many calories. There is a cracker test to see how well your body copes with high GI carbs.

Meals containing plenty of fiber, and either low GI carbs or low overall carb content are much better at leaving you feeling full. This is not a case of will power and never will be. If you're eating the correct foods will power doesn't come into it. It's common sense. Most foodstuffs that are bad for us damage our teeth and our insides. If you spend a long time on the toilet or are prone to Haemorrhoids chances are your diet is no good. Just because your body fat is low it doesn't mean your diet is good.

Hope this helps anyone that's taken the time to read.



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entsminger

Virginia, USA

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!

== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.

You are the custodian, so perhaps you would have the humility to clean up your own mess. Name calling and unmerited claims are not very convincing.


==Scott==
Diet sodas and the poison in them. At this point do I really need to explain how driving a nail into your head is a bad thing? Do you think diet sodas are healthy, I doubt it, even you aren't that dumb, you just want to argue.Find someone else to do that with.
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ATP 4 Vitality

backtrack wrote:
Diet drinks in all forms are junk.

With regards to diet the answer is both.

Most obese people eat too many calories, but they also tend to eat high carbohydrate foods with a high glycemic index.

The body is very efficient at converting high GI foods into fat. Also, these foods are never satisfying so people in general tend to eat more in order to feel satisfied. Too many calories. There is a cracker test to see how well your body copes with high GI carbs.

Meals containing plenty of fiber, and either low GI carbs or low overall carb content are much better at leaving you feeling full. This is not a case of will power and never will be. If you're eating the correct foods will power doesn't come into it. It's common sense. Most foodstuffs that are bad for us damage our teeth and our insides. If you spend a long time on the toilet or are prone to Haemorrhoids chances are your diet is no good. Just because your body fat is low it doesn't mean your diet is good.

Hope this helps anyone that's taken the time to read.





Facts?

Why are Diet colas junk?

What compounds in diet colas are junk?


I did not ask for a synopsis of your diet paradigm.
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ATP 4 Vitality

entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!

== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.

You are the custodian, so perhaps you would have the humility to clean up your own mess. Name calling and unmerited claims are not very convincing.

==Scott==
Diet sodas and the poison in them. At this point do I really need to explain how driving a nail into your head is a bad thing? Do you think diet sodas are healthy, I doubt it, even you aren't that dumb, you just want to argue.Find someone else to do that with.


You should work on your debate skills before making unsubstantiated health care claims.

You look foolish. Older ones should develop a measure of wisdom.
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Chris H

entsminger wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
entsminger wrote:

the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?

Please explain about the negative effects on the body of - the poison - in a product such as Diet Coke produced by a company such as Coca Cola!

This should be interesting, science evidence from the custodian!

== Scott ==
Why would I waste my time explaining something that any idiot can look up which will both say there?s nothing wrong with diet sodas and everything is wrong with them. Please believe that diet sodas are healthy , there?s way to many people out there anyway clogging up the streets etc etc.


lol
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