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Dr. Darden: Diet Question
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uchiyama1

Dr.Darden,

I remember reading in Ken?s new Music and Dance book that you and Ken had conversed about Dr. Jason Fung?s work. I believe you said he doesn?t quite understand exercise.

I recently read his book The Obesity Code. I was wondering if you could comment on his stance that insulin is the main driver in weight gain and not calorie consumption.

Also I?d be interested to hear your take on his statement the calorie-less beverages like Diet Coke spike insulin. This seems off to me. It would seem odd to me if someone consumed nothing but Diet Coke they would gain fat. Although I know diet sodas are not great for you, I consume a ton of it and I?m 6?2 187 pounds with 8.5% body fat. Either diet soda doesn?t spike insulin or insulin isn?t the bad guy it is made out to be.

Chip
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Ellington Darden

uchiyama1 wrote:
Dr.Darden,

I remember reading in Ken?s new Music and Dance book that you and Ken had conversed about Dr. Jason Fung?s work. I believe you said he doesn?t quite understand exercise.

I recently read his book The Obesity Code. I was wondering if you could comment on his stance that insulin is the main driver in weight gain and not calorie consumption.

Also I?d be interested to hear your take on his statement the calorie-less beverages like Diet Coke spike insulin. This seems off to me. It would seem odd to me if someone consumed nothing but Diet Coke they would gain fat. Although I know diet sodas are not great for you, I consume a ton of it and I?m 6?2 187 pounds with 8.5% body fat. Either diet soda doesn?t spike insulin or insulin isn?t the bad guy it is made out to be.

Chip


Chip,

In reading Fung's "Obesity Code," I marked his text with many minuses and pluses. He has many good points but he also has many points that I disagree with him on. He pushes insulin as the main culprit in fat gain. In my book, "Killing Fat," I push too many calories.

If you compare our books, I have plenty of evidence in the form of before and after measurements and photos. Fung has no photos. I don't believe he has a single name of a person he has worked with in losing fat. Not one! And Fung does not get into the importance of building muscle as you are losing fat.

On the artificially sweetened diet drinks, the data from the British Journal of Nutrition did not show that consuming these drinks caused cravings. I believe you are okay in drinking reasonable numbers of them each day.

Ellington
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Gainz

Dr Darren with respect,if you study the gut microbiome/systemic inflammation and the effect artificial sweeteners have upon it, you definitely wouldn't recommend such drinks in any shape or form.

The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.
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Lioncourt

Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.


And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.
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Gainz

Lioncourt wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.

And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.


The point clearly went over your head champ.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

I have tried numerous types of so-called diets, paleo, keto, mediteranean, carnivore, intermittent, vegetarian or just the American diet

the only one that worked to lose weight was calories in vs calories out, I took in less calories than I burned 5 to 6 times a day....good carb rich, protein and fat was the balance
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ATP 4 Vitality

Gainz wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
Gainz wrote:
The all calories are equal thesis is nonsensical.... 1000 calories from fat Vs 1000 calories from sugar shall have 2 very different effects in the body.

And extreme comparisons like that are idiotic and prove nothing. You'll have to explain how the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to the body to disprove calories matter.

The point clearly went over your head champ.


If - The point - was as clear as you believe it is, then why is - The point - so hard to understand?

Perhaps the problem lies in the explanation. Perhaps data, facts, logic, illustrations, and real examples could be provided. That responsibility lies with you.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Dr Darren with respect,if you study the gut microbiome/systemic inflammation and the effect artificial sweeteners have upon it, you definitely wouldn't recommend such drinks in any shape or form.

==Scott==
I'd have to agree with this but possibly Dr. Darden was referring to the cravings a diet soda might evoke vrs the poison in Diet soda and how it could negatively effect the body?
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HeavyHitter32

hit4me wrote:
I have tried numerous types of so-called diets, paleo, keto, mediteranean, carnivore, intermittent, vegetarian or just the American diet

the only one that worked to lose weight was calories in vs calories out, I took in less calories than I burned 5 to 6 times a day....good carb rich, protein and fat was the balance


I stay around 10% bodyfat (without working hard to achieve it) and I'm 47 without..I just stick to *fiber-based* carbs (key here), quality fats and proteins. More of a balance...I don't do carb counting, calorie counting, etc. I end up eating what I want until I am no longer hungry and stop there. I never eat until I am "full". The foods I eat keep me satiated. Doing weight training and cardio helps a lot too. Building lean body mass absolutely is essential especially as one ages. All of this comes down to lifestyle changes and I've been doing this for a long time.

The average american eats crap, loses muscle every year after 35...and then wonders how they are fat. Many people are stupid and in pure denial. (Sorry for the quick rant, but I hear this all of the time and it gets so old).
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