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Resultsbased

Yes, this is real...

https://www.youtube.com/...h?v=GjWye37Xd9M
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tensionstrength

Resultsbased wrote:
Yes, this is real...

https://www.youtube.com/...e37Xd9M


I watched this just recently. Dree sounds awesome. The whole band sounds great. Even got Ozzy's evil laugh goin on Hahahaha!!
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Resultsbased

The Heavy Metal singer could use some heavy iron!

Seriously, the guitarist, no wait, everyone else in the band looks more muscular and I doubt they workout!

Only in the fitness industry! The online expert. Everyone else is stupid and does it wrong.

And this is from a guy criticizing others performing arm curls. Maybe he should try a new technique with loose form or ditch the tank top.
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sgb2112

Drew Baye has a better voice and physique than Vince Neil of Motley Crue. .

https://youtu.be/yQC5mvsJ48E

Both could use a more than a minimal dose of cardio and strength training though.

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hit4me

Florida, USA

not impressed with his singing or his physique
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Average Al

sgb2112 wrote:
Drew Baye has a better voice and physique than Vince Neil of Motley Crue. .

Both could use a more than a minimal dose of cardio and strength training though.



Wow... he has really let himself go. That is not a good look for a rock star. It would not be very hard to have a better physique than Vince Neil.

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DuzHIT

It is sooo cool that we can sit behind a keyboard and pass judgement on others.

Granted, he's not close to competition shape, but who amongst us is?

It takes balls to get up on stage in front of a crowd and sing Ozzie, and not be half bad at it. Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't pay a cover charge to hear them.

I am certain that if he cared about what we think he would have spent a few months getting cut up, gotten pumped and oiled up, and worn posing trunks and nothing else on a better lit stage, maybe even bit the head off a bat. Then someone would write his nipples are pointing in the wrong direction, or something better.
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Resultsbased

DuzHIT wrote:
It is sooo cool that we can sit behind a keyboard and pass judgement on others.

Granted, he's not close to competition shape, but who amongst us is?

It takes balls to get up on stage in front of a crowd and sing Ozzie, and not be half bad at it. Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't pay a cover charge to hear them.

I am certain that if he cared about what we think he would have spent a few months getting cut up, gotten pumped and oiled up, and worn posing trunks and nothing else on a better lit stage, maybe even bit the head off a bat. Then someone would write his nipples are pointing in the wrong direction, or something better.


I would not have posted this for the reasons you mention. HOWEVER, Drew recently posted a scathing critique on his blog about Luke Carlson and Bill Crawford - check it out. I believe its called how not to perform arm curls.

Aside from his petty criticisms, he was very rude and insulting to these men and for no good reason.

He is more than fair game as he continually refers to people who exercise in any manner other than he favors as stupid, idiots, etc. so it's fair game.

The difference is this: the people he bashes actually look pretty decent in most cases. Drew looks worse than likely 99% of the people on this board or the internet for that matter, but his ways are best and his system is guaranteed to produce results...what a joke!
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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
It is sooo cool that we can sit behind a keyboard and pass judgement on others.

Granted, he's not close to competition shape, but who amongst us is?

It takes balls to get up on stage in front of a crowd and sing Ozzie, and not be half bad at it. Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't pay a cover charge to hear them.

I am certain that if he cared about what we think he would have spent a few months getting cut up, gotten pumped and oiled up, and worn posing trunks and nothing else on a better lit stage, maybe even bit the head off a bat. Then someone would write his nipples are pointing in the wrong direction, or something better.



"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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DuzHIT

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:
It is sooo cool that we can sit behind a keyboard and pass judgement on others.

Granted, he's not close to competition shape, but who amongst us is?

It takes balls to get up on stage in front of a crowd and sing Ozzie, and not be half bad at it. Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't pay a cover charge to hear them.

I am certain that if he cared about what we think he would have spent a few months getting cut up, gotten pumped and oiled up, and worn posing trunks and nothing else on a better lit stage, maybe even bit the head off a bat. Then someone would write his nipples are pointing in the wrong direction, or something better.


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"


Ouch, such a stinging rebuke, Did you Google this, too?
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Lioncourt

Flip flops and cargo shorts on stage, that's really metal. Did he forget his swimsuit at home? Could he not make a little effort to get ready to perform?
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ATP 4 Vitality

DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:
It is sooo cool that we can sit behind a keyboard and pass judgement on others.

Granted, he's not close to competition shape, but who amongst us is?

It takes balls to get up on stage in front of a crowd and sing Ozzie, and not be half bad at it. Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn't pay a cover charge to hear them.

I am certain that if he cared about what we think he would have spent a few months getting cut up, gotten pumped and oiled up, and worn posing trunks and nothing else on a better lit stage, maybe even bit the head off a bat. Then someone would write his nipples are pointing in the wrong direction, or something better.


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Ouch, such a stinging rebuke, Did you Google this, too?



Sorry, I did not realize you are emotional!
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DuzHIT

ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:
ATP 4 Vitality wrote:
DuzHIT wrote:



"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Ouch, such a stinging rebuke, Did you Google this, too?


Sorry, I did not realize you are emotional!


Emotional in a humorous way, perhaps. What's the matter, darling? Problems with PMS, again?
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hit4me

Florida, USA

because of Drew's criticisms of others and his way is the only way, he makes himself fair game
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Average Al

Resultsbased wrote:

I would not have posted this for the reasons you mention. HOWEVER, Drew recently posted a scathing critique on his blog about Luke Carlson and Bill Crawford - check it out. I believe its called how not to perform arm curls.

Aside from his petty criticisms, he was very rude and insulting to these men and for no good reason.

He is more than fair game as he continually refers to people who exercise in any manner other than he favors as stupid, idiots, etc. so it's fair game.

The difference is this: the people he bashes actually look pretty decent in most cases. Drew looks worse than likely 99% of the people on this board or the internet for that matter, but his ways are best and his system is guaranteed to produce results...what a joke!


I followed Drew's blog for awhile, but eventually stopped because I started to find his style pompous and grating.

His form critique of the bicep curl video is right out of the Ken Hutchins playbook, hitting on a lot of the points found in super slow dogma. To me, Hutchins made a lot of confident assertions about how to exercise that were not evidence based, but merely his opinion. I'm sure Luke was exposed to a lot of this years ago, tried it out, and then moved on when he saw what worked and didn't work in his own training business.



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Resultsbased

Average Al wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:

I would not have posted this for the reasons you mention. HOWEVER, Drew recently posted a scathing critique on his blog about Luke Carlson and Bill Crawford - check it out. I believe its called how not to perform arm curls.

Aside from his petty criticisms, he was very rude and insulting to these men and for no good reason.

He is more than fair game as he continually refers to people who exercise in any manner other than he favors as stupid, idiots, etc. so it's fair game.

The difference is this: the people he bashes actually look pretty decent in most cases. Drew looks worse than likely 99% of the people on this board or the internet for that matter, but his ways are best and his system is guaranteed to produce results...what a joke!


I followed Drew's blog for awhile, but eventually stopped because I started to find his style pompous and grating.

His form critique of the bicep curl video is right out of the Ken Hutchins playbook, hitting on a lot of the points found in super slow dogma. To me, Hutchins made a lot of confident assertions about how to exercise that were not evidence based, but merely his opinion. I'm sure Luke was exposed to a lot of this years ago, tried it out, and then moved on when he saw what worked and didn't work in his own training business.





I agree.

His insulting tone comes across as a poor attempt to be the next Arthur Jones.

I don't agree with everything that Dr. Darden says, but I sure do have a lot of respect for him. Not only is he knowledgeable and practices what he preaches, he is civil and a gentleman to people on this board and elsewhere.

Baye's video is also full of bad information: stating that very slow movement PREVENTS underloading of the negative and then talking about the force-velocity curve. It appears he knows very little about the subject.

He also suggests that partial reps are a total waste. Have you ever watched nearly every well-developed bodybuilder (natural and enhanced) perform partial reps?

I couldn't care less how people train and if training once a month, moving an inch per hour works for you - GREAT! I do however object to the insults against people who experiment with other methods and especially from someone who looks like Drew.

ATP said it best: "Avoid the clowns of HIT!"
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tensionstrength

Heavy metal and lifting go together to me. I can remember cranking Skid Row and Metallica back in the early 90's in my garage and having some awesome workouts. After reading stuff by Drew and many others over the yrs I find myself getting back to that fame of mind or intent that I maybe had way back then. This would definitely not be in line with how Drew says to lift. There is just something aboit a sunny day or rainy day for that matter with some good rock music and the feeling of lifting. Feeling that weight bearing down. I can read about form and have this planned out or that planned out but there is just something about getting at the weights and getting into the workout and it all starts being very organic. Feels good. Sure there is some good discomfort but feels good!

In one the recent threads on here somebody mentioned John Little referring to Super Slow having an artificial speed or or something to that effect. That comment was from quite some time ago I believe. Maybe that is a good way to describe what I go for when I lift. Not having an artificial interaction with the weight. Nor knocking the stricter stuff to be clear. Once the weight gets past a certain point. A somewhat strictness is sort of intuitive? Or maybe more so for certain movements? But I definitely feel you guys on the amount of weight that permits a a quicker, rhythmic (Brian Johnston) movement.

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epdavis7

tensionstrength wrote:
Heavy metal and lifting go together to me. I can remember cranking Skid Row and Metallica back in the early 90's in my garage and having some awesome workouts. After reading stuff by Drew and many others over the yrs I find myself getting back to that fame of mind or intent that I maybe had way back then. This would definitely not be in line with how Drew says to lift. There is just something aboit a sunny day or rainy day for that matter with some good rock music and the feeling of lifting. Feeling that weight bearing down. I can read about form and have this planned out or that planned out but there is just something about getting at the weights and getting into the workout and it all starts being very organic. Feels good. Sure there is some good discomfort but feels good!

In one the recent threads on here somebody mentioned John Little referring to Super Slow having an artificial speed or or something to that effect. That comment was from quite some time ago I believe. Maybe that is a good way to describe what I go for when I lift. Not having an artificial interaction with the weight. Nor knocking the stricter stuff to be clear. Once the weight gets past a certain point. A somewhat strictness is sort of intuitive? Or maybe more so for certain movements? But I definitely feel you guys on the amount of weight that permits a a quicker, rhythmic (Brian Johnston) movement.



I don't always use superslow, but when I do I use heavier weights. I think the artifical slowness comes from using super light weights and extremely long TUL. For me the sweet spot is 40-80 seconds. I actually prefer 40-60 seconds, but its easier to track with a rep range of 2-4 reps at a 10/10 or 10/1/10 cadence depending on movement and once I hit 4 reps I can guage how much weight to increase to be back at 2 reps again. I have seen people using TUL of almost 180 seconds. That is using a ridiculously light weight for too long of a timeframe and I would agree that the slowness is artificial. It might benefit you in some other way ie pain tolerance or metabolic conditioning, but not for strength training.
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Resultsbased

Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.

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epdavis7

Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Resultsbased

epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.


Would you be so kind as to provide an example where moving at 10 seconds is natural and isn't artificially slow?

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epdavis7

epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.


Any cadence can be artificially slow whether it be 1/1, 2/2, 3/3 4/4 5/5 and even 10/10.

Unless you are a Olympic Lifter doing a Clean and Jerk or a Snatch and letting the weight fall to the floor by force of gravity once the lift is completed of course.
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tensionstrength

epdavis7 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.

Any cadence can be artificially slow whether it be 1/1, 2/2, 3/3 4/4 5/5 and even 10/10.

Unless you are a Olympic Lifter doing a Clean and Jerk or a Snatch and letting the weight fall to the floor by force of gravity once the lift is completed of course.


So you are talking about keeping the effort of contraction high or to whatever level regardless of rep speed? Cocontracting?
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Resultsbased

epdavis7 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.

Any cadence can be artificially slow whether it be 1/1, 2/2, 3/3 4/4 5/5 and even 10/10.

Unless you are a Olympic Lifter doing a Clean and Jerk or a Snatch and letting the weight fall to the floor by force of gravity once the lift is completed of course.


False.

Drew and the other slow rep folks are engaged in low power/low result programs.

1/1 would not be artificially slow and in most cases even slower wouldn't be depending on the load. Maybe Drew will change his mind about this as he does about most things...
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tensionstrength

tensionstrength wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
epdavis7 wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Moving at a cadence of 10/10 will ALWAYS be artificially slow, regardless of rep range.



We'll have to agree to disagree.

Any cadence can be artificially slow whether it be 1/1, 2/2, 3/3 4/4 5/5 and even 10/10.

Unless you are a Olympic Lifter doing a Clean and Jerk or a Snatch and letting the weight fall to the floor by force of gravity once the lift is completed of course.

So you are talking about keeping the effort of contraction high or to whatever level regardless of rep speed? Cocontracting?


Somewhat regardless of load/weight as well?
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