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entsminger wrote:
Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:
backtrack wrote:
Looks like an interesting read.

Seems a bit odd how Arthur Jones didn't seem to think much of his son's. Especially Gary, who seemed to help his Dad design and build the machines.



==Scott==
I can't remember, did Gary help with the original Nautilus or later machines like the Hammer stuff? I can't think of a place I'd rather have been than being around when they were designing and building the early Nautilus machines.


Based on what I have read so far, Gary was quite involved in the design and construction of many prototypes at Nautilus. In fact, according to this account, it was Gary who suggested using a cam to vary resistance, a suggestion that Arthur resisted at first.



== Scott==
Now that you mention it I heard that too. So if that?s true then without the cam the machines only other highlight would have been the rollers or pads that took the hands/ grip out of the equation, Very interesting!


The use of rotary, instead of linear resistance might have also been considered novel at the time.

In his very early machines, Jones used round pulleys and gears to redirect force, and heavy chains coming off the grounds to vary resistance (much like barbell guys add chains to squats and bench presses).
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
When I think about it seems that the early most revolutionary and different Nautilus machines from the past were the pullover, the rowing torso,the BNTA, the hip and back, lower back and maybe the compound tricep and the omni's because of the foot pedal and no hands pads .Every other nautilus machine was around in one form or another.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Just got it. Thank you Jeff Bezos for the free ONE day delivery
I'll give you guys a synopsis or a review if anyone is interested.
I'm about 1\4 way through now so I should finish tomorrow.

==Scott==
Since you are so hept up about thanking Bezos I'll chime in my support. Thank you Jeff Bezos for bringing more traffic and congestion to our area with your coming facility which will only benefit a hand full of local employees but raise our taxes to the point we can't afford to live here thanks to our county paying you 2 billion from taxes I pay to come here to Arlington instead of you paying us to come here.Big thanks Jeff!!


Envy will kill your soul. I wanted to post something else but it probably would've been censored for certan.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
blacksheep21 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Just got it. Thank you Jeff Bezos for the free ONE day delivery
I'll give you guys a synopsis or a review if anyone is interested.
I'm about 1\4 way through now so I should finish tomorrow.

==Scott==
Since you are so hept up about thanking Bezos I'll chime in my support. Thank you Jeff Bezos for bringing more traffic and congestion to our area with your coming facility which will only benefit a hand full of local employees but raise our taxes to the point we can't afford to live here thanks to our county paying you 2 billion from taxes I pay to come here to Arlington instead of you paying us to come here.Big thanks Jeff!!
I guess you should have organized there like they did in Long Island City and sent Amazon packing. Power to the people.


== Scott==
I spent many years as a local activist trying to get local governments to do the right thing for the people , not big busineses and their big money investors. With the climate in and around Washington what the people want means nothing. It?s all about the all mighty buck!!


I guess you were probably one of the assholes that fought so hard to shut down Wallmart a while back.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Illegal immigration is the single biggest issue/threat facing us today and he's been doing everything within his power to combat it while both parties, govt departments, judges, etc. are doing everything they can to allow it to continue.


The single greatest threat facing America is what it has been since FDR,the growth and intrusion into every single aspect of our lives by local,state and especially the federal government.
Trump is exactly what most presidents of the 20th and 21st centuries have been central economic planners.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Resultsbased wrote:
entsminger wrote:
blacksheep21 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
Bill Sekerak wrote:
Just got it. Thank you Jeff Bezos for the free ONE day delivery
I'll give you guys a synopsis or a review if anyone is interested.
I'm about 1\4 way through now so I should finish tomorrow.

==Scott==
Since you are so hept up about thanking Bezos I'll chime in my support. Thank you Jeff Bezos for bringing more traffic and congestion to our area with your coming facility which will only benefit a hand full of local employees but raise our taxes to the point we can't afford to live here thanks to our county paying you 2 billion from taxes I pay to come here to Arlington instead of you paying us to come here.Big thanks Jeff!!
I guess you should have organized there like they did in Long Island City and sent Amazon packing. Power to the people.


== Scott==
I spent many years as a local activist trying to get local governments to do the right thing for the people , not big busineses and their big money investors. With the climate in and around Washington what the people want means nothing. It?s all about the all mighty buck!!

Yes, capitalism! It is what creates jobs and why our economy is so great...thank you President Trump! I wish he could have 5 more terms! I'd love for Amazon to come close by - so many jobs and a boost to the economy. Big government isn't the solution.



I wish Trump was a Capitalist but he's as much a Capitalist as Bernie Sanders is.
No Capitalist would interfere with the economy as Trump has and continues to do.A real Capitalist would fight hard to end Cronyism by reducing all tariffs and all subsidies to ZERO !
A true Capitalist would further fight to end Cronyism by fighting to institute a flat tax that everyone pays the same percentage on their income making your tax form the size of a postcard.
Tariffs,subsidies and differing tax brackets all distort markets and create pressure groups all vying for favors in the from of subsidies,grants,special considerations etc.
Do away with the rewards for some at the expense of others.
It would end lobbying and the corruption that goes with it.
Trump is no Capitalist he's a central planner similar in principle,if not in the same scope,as Lenin or Franco.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
Brian Johnston wrote:
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entsminger wrote:
By the way, have you seen the interest rates on homes lately? How about the unemployment numbers?? Trump will win by another landslide - thank goodness!


==Scott==
In spite of all the destruction he is doing he will win next time but not because of anything he's doing so much as how dumb the democrats are. He's in there now because the Democrats put up someone they never should have against him, Hillary. With the exception of Biden, who they will drum out, the field now is even worse.Buttigieg, Pocahontas, give me a break! The democrats are their own worst enemy.We need a new party, the Bull Moose party again!

What destruction is he doing? Please list.

Great economy, lowest unemployment (including among Blacks and Hispanics) and doing his best to avoid war. Prick.

==Scott==
It would be easier to list the good things he's done,
1. He brought on Mattis. Of course then he fired him.
That's about it for the good stuff.Just about everything he does is bad. He makes Nixon look like a Saint. Avoid war?? He's doing everything to start one. Unless you are joking here you are way dumber than I thought.


The best thing,perhaps the only good thing he has accomplished is the deregulation that unshackled business and industry throughout the US.
Most of which regulations were instituted by Obama's pen and phone in order to bypass Congress.
Much of what he did is being struck down by the courts including the Supreme court. He knew what he did by executive order was unlawful but by the time challenges to his orders wound through the courts he would've accomplished what he wanted.
The tax cuts were good but caving to Schumer and crazy Nancy on the enormous spending bill,to get the cuts,will eventually wipe out the benefits of the tax cuts if the rising cost of his tariffs don't erase the tax cuts first.
By the way,contrary to what the Central Planner in Chief insists,China doesn't pay the tariffs! Every check that went to the treasury to pay for the tariffs came from Americans.
Tariffs are basically a sales tax on imported goods plain and simple.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

entsminger wrote:
Resultsbased wrote:
Destruction?

Any examples?

The problem isn't the candidates, rather their ideas...or lack thereof.

Sorry, I forgot I was on a training forum and I've gotten way off topic, so I apologize to the original poster, too.

I'm looking forward to the book and thanks for mentioning it.

==Scott==
Off topic? This thread is about Arthur Jones and I say there are alot of similarities between Jones and Trump. They are both self centered egotistical kind of guys who charge in and take and do what they want, legal or not. They both think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Jones at least was a genius who brought us Nautilus, Trump has brought us nothing but trouble.The United States is now a laughing stock.


The big ,big difference between these two is that Trump is excessively concerned about what other people think about him. His image is more important to him than anything else almost to the point of psychosis.
.It is no secret that Arthur didn't give a good goddamn what anybody thought about what he did or said and he earned that by his hard work and genius.
Arthur was the real deal Trump is an enormous phoney who has spent his life telling people not to pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

Average Al wrote:
entsminger wrote:
backtrack wrote:
Looks like an interesting read.

Seems a bit odd how Arthur Jones didn't seem to think much of his son's. Especially Gary, who seemed to help his Dad design and build the machines.



==Scott==
I can't remember, did Gary help with the original Nautilus or later machines like the Hammer stuff? I can't think of a place I'd rather have been than being around when they were designing and building the early Nautilus machines.


Based on what I have read so far, Gary was quite involved in the design and construction of many prototypes at Nautilus. In fact, according to this account, it was Gary who suggested using a cam to vary resistance, a suggestion that Arthur resisted at first.



That's right.
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Average Al

entsminger wrote:
==Scott==
When I think about it seems that the early most revolutionary and different Nautilus machines from the past were the pullover, the rowing torso,the BNTA, the hip and back, lower back and maybe the compound tricep and the omni's because of the foot pedal and no hands pads .Every other nautilus machine was around in one form or another.


I had access to a hip and back machine at the same time that I was first starting to have low back pain issues. Doing that machine was one of the few exercises that seemed to help.

Even today the pullover machine feels kind of special.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

I've done an " Evylyn Wood " on the book and as someone mentioned earlier there are interesting stories in it and it would've been way better if he had " fleshed out " these stories more.
I think it would have helped him a lot if he had got together with some guys who have a lot of interested in what happened so they could have provided him with suggestions of what he should've written more about.
It's not a bad little book especially for a first try.
I had no idea how involved Edgar was " behind the scenes " at Nautilus.
I don't know how much he was involved with the development of MedX which he briefly touched on but if he was involved as much as he said he was at Nautilus then it would be great. Especially if he did a big of research on things he wasn't sure of. For instance he couldn't recall the initial cost of Nautilus distributorships or what came with them.
Just little stuff that's easily found on the net. They were advertised as franchises with a minimum cash investment of $13,000 came with 9 different machines and a maximum cash investment of $37,000 and a much larger number of machines and protected area determined by the amount of investment.
I found that in an old IronMan magazine but it's also on the web.
Arthur told me that everyone who bought one of these ended up a millionaire and Edgar backs that up in the book.
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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

It's not expensive and it's a very easy read and he reveals quite a bit that hasn't been revealed before.In places he left me wanting more information.
However if you are interested in Nautilus and Arthur Jones it's worth the money.
My advice ,buy it.
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strengthmaster

Michigan, USA

Bill,

Thanks for your book review and recommendation. I appreciate it.

**Personal side note: I have to see Trump shit everyday on TV and on internet news sites. I really don't care to read about him on here. This is a site devoted to Training and things connected to training. Yeah, I know, I don't have to read it. But, I don't like having to scroll through conversations on politics to get to comments on training subjects. Personal Rant concluded.

Scott
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HeavyHitter32

Bill Sekerak wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Illegal immigration is the single biggest issue/threat facing us today and he's been doing everything within his power to combat it while both parties, govt departments, judges, etc. are doing everything they can to allow it to continue.

The single greatest threat facing America is what it has been since FDR,the growth and intrusion into every single aspect of our lives by local,state and especially the federal government.
Trump is exactly what most presidents of the 20th and 21st centuries have been central economic planners.


I see where you are coming from with that and agree. But that doesn't negate one of fundamental principles of the federal government is to protect its citizens. Ask the family of Kate Steinley and many, many others. If you have no borders, you don't have a country. There ARE laws. Most are crossing here for free handouts (including free healthcare that every single presidential Democrat candidate pledges to give at your and my expense as government debts build up) while there is a segment coming here to work as companies can pay them well below a market wage they would have to pay a citizen. With a million illegals crossing a year, this country will be unrecognizable in 20 years or less especially with the brain-dead millennials and their infatuation with socialism and communism. On any rate, Trump despite his flaws, is the only person to have taken on this issue which is primarily why he got elected and likely why he will get elected again while running against the Democrat Socialist party.
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HeavyHitter32

entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Illegal immigration is the single biggest issue/threat facing us today and he's been doing everything within his power to combat it while both parties, govt departments, judges, etc. are doing everything they can to allow it to continue.

==Scott==
People have been coming across the border for ages and all of a sudden it's our biggest issue. It's a fabricated issue. Do you think this stupid wall will stop it. They'll go right under or over it. He doesn't like Mexicans or any other foreigner for that matter so he fabricates an issue that the red necks of America can woop and come together about.


So because it's been happening for years, it's now okay? That is precisely why it has become a problem...it's gone on for way too long and the costs are staggering. It's going to take several different measures to keep the border under control, but it's far from impossible. However, the Dems see a permanent voting block here while the Repubs have catered to business contributions to keep it going. Both parties sold out for different reasons.
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Average Al

strengthmaster wrote:
Bill,

**Personal side note: I have to see Trump shit everyday on TV and on internet news sites. I really don't care to read about him on here. This is a site devoted to Training and things connected to training. Yeah, I know, I don't have to read it. But, I don't like having to scroll through conversations on politics to get to comments on training subjects. Personal Rant concluded.

Scott


^^^
AGREE!

Plenty of places to argue, rant, and yell about politics. Get yourself a couple of pseudonyms on Facebook, and argue with yourself...

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Average Al

Bill Sekerak wrote:
I've done an " Evylyn Wood " on the book and as someone mentioned earlier there are interesting stories in it and it would've been way better if he had " fleshed out " these stories more.
I think it would have helped him a lot if he had got together with some guys who have a lot of interested in what happened so they could have provided him with suggestions of what he should've written more about.
It's not a bad little book especially for a first try.
I had no idea how involved Edgar was " behind the scenes " at Nautilus.
I don't know how much he was involved with the development of MedX which he briefly touched on but if he was involved as much as he said he was at Nautilus then it would be great. Especially if he did a big of research on things he wasn't sure of. For instance he couldn't recall the initial cost of Nautilus distributorships or what came with them.
Just little stuff that's easily found on the net. They were advertised as franchises with a minimum cash investment of $13,000 came with 9 different machines and a maximum cash investment of $37,000 and a much larger number of machines and protected area determined by the amount of investment.
I found that in an old IronMan magazine but it's also on the web.
Arthur told me that everyone who bought one of these ended up a millionaire and Edgar backs that up in the book.


Upon further reflection, I realize that the book is really the personal memoir of William Edgar Jones, in that he seems to limit himself mostly to the things he remembers. He has chosen to focus his memoir on the events he recalls about the creation, operation, and eventual demise of Nautilus, while including some tidbits about his early life with Arthur Jones. That approach does limit what he could do with the book.

In order to provide a more richly detailed history of Nautilus, he would have had to interview numerous other participants in the enterprise, and then try to blend their stories with his stories.


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Bill Sekerak

California, USA

strengthmaster wrote:
Bill,

Thanks for your book review and recommendation. I appreciate it.

**Personal side note: I have to see Trump shit everyday on TV and on internet news sites. I really don't care to read about him on here. This is a site devoted to Training and things connected to training. Yeah, I know, I don't have to read it. But, I don't like having to scroll through conversations on politics to get to comments on training subjects. Personal Rant concluded.

Scott


I agree, however I am sick of the misrepresentation of reality by almost everybody on both sides and I felt compelled to answer.
I will attempt it to refrain from politics on this forum.
If you recall this all began when I indicated how happy I am with Amazon and that innocuous comment was attacked by someone.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Bill Sekerak wrote:
strengthmaster wrote:
Bill,

Thanks for your book review and recommendation. I appreciate it.

**Personal side note: I have to see Trump shit everyday on TV and on internet news sites. I really don't care to read about him on here. This is a site devoted to Training and things connected to training. Yeah, I know, I don't have to read it. But, I don't like having to scroll through conversations on politics to get to comments on training subjects. Personal Rant concluded.

Scott

I agree, however I am sick of the misrepresentation of reality by almost everybody on both sides and I felt compelled to answer.
I will attempt it to refrain from politics on this forum.
If you recall this all began when I indicated how happy I am with Amazon and that innocuous comment was attacked by someone.


==Scott==
When you brought Bezos into your comments you strayed from exercise to politics. Twice you went out of your way to thank Bezos for something and my comment wasn't directed at you so much as my way of thanking Bezos for the trouble he is bringing to our neighborhood.Just my guess but I'm sure you are enthralled with self made millionaires lie Jones and Bezos and that more than anything that is why you brought him into the discussion.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
entsminger wrote:
HeavyHitter32 wrote:
Illegal immigration is the single biggest issue/threat facing us today and he's been doing everything within his power to combat it while both parties, govt departments, judges, etc. are doing everything they can to allow it to continue.

==Scott==
People have been coming across the border for ages and all of a sudden it's our biggest issue. It's a fabricated issue. Do you think this stupid wall will stop it. They'll go right under or over it. He doesn't like Mexicans or any other foreigner for that matter so he fabricates an issue that the red necks of America can woop and come together about.

So because it's been happening for years, it's now okay? That is precisely why it has become a problem...it's gone on for way too long and the costs are staggering. It's going to take several different measures to keep the border under control, but it's far from impossible. However, the Dems see a permanent voting block here while the Repubs have catered to business contributions to keep it going. Both parties sold out for different reasons.


==Scott==
This discussion of politics is getting old fast, lets drop it and move on to something more critically important like Nautilus compound tricep vrs dips?
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

The conversations do veer off in all kinds of directions, don't they? I just got the book today and will take a look at it tonight.
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Bill MacLean

Just read this and found it interesting. It's a quick read, and has some good stories. This book talks a lot about Nautilus from the business standpoint, (which sounded pretty messy) and from Edgar's viewpoint.

I have also read Arthur Jones autobiography. "And God laughs" is much darker than "Empire" but it also goes into a lot more depth and gives you a better idea of all the amazing things Arthur did. "Empire" helps round out the picture.

There are quite a few editing errors, but I didn't find that distracting. I agree with one of the other messages on here that says the book would be better served if Edgar didn't go so often into his personal political views.

If you are interested in Nautilus history, it's worth reading.
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