MB Madaera
Lost 31.7 lbs fat
Built 11.7 lbs muscle


Chris Madaera
Built 9 lbs muscle


Keelan Parham
Lost 30 lbs fat
Built 4 lbs muscle


Bob Marchesello
Lost 23.55 lbs fat
Built 8.55 lbs muscle


Jeff Turner
Lost 25.5 lbs fat


Jeanenne Darden
Lost 26 lbs fat
Built 3 lbs muscle


Ted Tucker
Lost 41 lbs fat
Built 4 lbs muscle

 
 

Determine the Length of Your Workouts

Evaluate Your Progress

Keep Warm-Up in Perspective


ARCHIVES >>

"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
Arthur Jones believes, "has all but
destroyed the actual great value
of weight training. Something
must be done . . . and quickly."
The New Bodybuilding for
Old-School Results supplies
MUCH of that "something."

 

This is one of 93 photos of Andy McCutcheon that are used in The New High-Intensity Training to illustrate the recommended exercises.

To find out more about McCutcheon and his training, click here.

 

Mission Statement

H.I.T. Acceptable Use Policy

Privacy Policy

Credits

LOG IN FORUM MAIN REGISTER SEARCH
Lack of Interest in Weight Training History
1 | 2 | Next | Last
Author
Rating
Options

oldbutsteady

I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS

Open User Options Menu

Nwlifter

oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



I have too much interest I think, I still read books, studies, science websites, follow a few researchers, belong to several FB groups, a few forums....
Open User Options Menu

Crotalus

oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves


I couldn't agree more - now - 'now' being the last twelve years. When I discovered HIT through Darden's books and Dr. Ken's articles, it just made so much sense I didn't want to hear anything else.

Though I always admired Gironda too , I just chose to follow the HIT crowd. I think I have to 'blame' Dr. Ken's great way of writing for sucking me right in.

I don't regret it, it taught me a hard work ethic in the gym and I got results , but I just followed that one way of training for far too long , even though my heart was telling me I needed something else.

I just wished I took my own advice ( or advices as Arnold would say, lol ) many years before I did.

Open User Options Menu

AndyMitch

oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



Well, I see this as a specific forum where like minded people are able to discuss their experiences.

There are many forums on the web that are general banter about physical culture.

From what I can tell is that when a person finds what they like, they get pretty enthusiastic and like to read like minded experiences but more often than not these people don?t really have much to say.

Maybe go and visit those other forums that offfer more diversity for you?

I do, I don?t know about others here, but getting all cunty because it doesn?t suit you is pretty telling about oneself.

Open User Options Menu

spud

The first two books I read (and applied at the gym for a couple of years) on weight training before I was introduced to this forum were BRAWN and Beyond BRAWN by Stuart McRobert.

After you've read those two cover to cover, there's not a lot you can learn from weight training history (or anywhere else) that will actually help your training.

I then found Bob Whelan's website "Natural Strength" that introduced me to Ken Leistner and a bunch of other similar folk.

Then I found Darden, Jones and Baye in that order, then Hutchins then Johnston and Shortt.

Sure, if you're interested in the history in terms of people, their personalities, business deals and equipment design/manufacture, then sure there's a bunch of stuff you can learn about, but again, it won't necessarily help your training.

There are only so many ways in which the human body can move (muscle and joint function)

COMPOUND MOVEMENTS

Lower body

Push
Hip hinge

Upper body

Vertical push
Vertical pull
Horizontal push
Horizontal pull

SINGLE JOINT MOVEMENTS

Heel raise
Hip extension
Bicep Curl
Tricep extension
Lateral Raise
Shrug

That's my exercise selection. How I perform them is primarily limited by the equipment I have available, which is limited by physical space and financial resources.

Then there's a bunch of variables like exercise order/sequence, amount of weight, numbers of reps, numbers of sets, amount of rest in between sets, rep speed, inclusion/ exclusion of different variations of some of those exercises, whether or not each set uses the same weight or different weight. That can all be recorded on paper or screen either in the form words or numbers.

But the two most important variables are ones that cannot be reduced to a handful of words or numbers.

They are:

1. FORM

On one hand it keeps you safe and free from injury. On the other hand it controls the extent to which resistance is placed on certain muscles and not on others.

2. INTENSITY OF EFFORT

How hard you push yourself. People have attempted to reduce this to a number by using the RPE scale (Rate of Perceived Exertion), because people can't deal with having something that can't simply be a number, because productive training is all about making numbers go up on paper, right?

=======

On top of all of this there is understanding that exercise is simply a stimulus for change, not the change in itself. Recovery is all about the interplay between volume, frequency and intensity.

Diet is important but things like hydration and sleep are massively underrated. Good solid sleep is more valuable than any supplement.

So if I invest a bunch of time into reading about weight training history, will it teach my things? I doubt it. Stuart McRobert plus being on this site consistently for a number of years in the mid to late 2000s gives you more than enough information. What you need, is application.
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Andy,

You just proved my point about being narrow minded (and for you directly, ignorant).

If you are unable to control your emotions please stop posting on my threads.

Pointing out the fact that this strain of HIT is far removed from the original and the fact the most are unaware of it is telling.

OBS
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Crotalus,

Dr. Ken's HIT is closer to AJ's original intent than the HIT used by 90% of the people on this forum.

Seems people here can't separate Dr. Darden's HIT from AJ's HIT, they are different and if one read AJ's entire line of thought on the matter instead of cherry picking quotes out of context...

OBS
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

To all:

I want to clarify my position. I will post what I want and will not be run off by those that don't want to read it.

Stop looking at my threads if you don't like what I post but don't tell me to move on, that is statement of a child. I don't like what you say so you can't say it is what fascists believe.

OBS
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Spud,

What I need is application? Not sure what this means.

I notice you didn't list a single person form the Golden Age?

OBS
Open User Options Menu

PTDaniel

oldbutsteady wrote:
To all:

I want to clarify my position. I will post what I want and will not be run off by those that don't want to read it.

Stop looking at my threads if you don't like what I post but don't tell me to move on, that is statement of a child. I don't like what you say so you can't say it is what fascists believe.

OBS

Nobody's trying to run you off. You must be new to the internet. Almost everybody online comes off as a thought cop, crybaby, know it all, troll, or combination of the four.
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

PTDaniel,

My English and reading comprehension are good, and there is no way to misunderstand this sentence:

Andy the Denier:

"Maybe go and visit those other forums that offer more diversity for you?"
--------------------------------------
New to the Internet? No. I just expect more from the adults and "experienced" HITters like Andy but...

OBS

Open User Options Menu

Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

Landau where are you when we need you?
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Landau is sitting on his couch waiting for the mail to arrive same as all old people in Florida

OBS
Open User Options Menu

AndyMitch

oldbutsteady wrote:
Andy,

You just proved my point about being narrow minded (and for you directly, ignorant).

If you are unable to control your emotions please stop posting on my threads.

Pointing out the fact that this strain of HIT is far removed from the original and the fact the most are unaware of it is telling.

OBS


Ok fair enough
But 98% of the comments on this forum I don?t read, so I don?t really know what goes on here, but there is a lot of bickering for sure.
You asked the question and I answered how I see it, I?m not upset by you or anyone.

The only people that really know are the ones that where there.

And yeah you?re right, like most of us we are very ignorant in many ways.

Open User Options Menu

AndyMitch

oldbutsteady wrote:
PTDaniel,

My English and reading comprehension are good, and there is no way to misunderstand this sentence:

Andy the Denier:

"Maybe go and visit those other forums that offer more diversity for you?"
--------------------------------------
New to the Internet? No. I just expect more from the adults and "experienced" HITters like Andy but...

OBS



I wasn?t having a go at you, and I?m not an experienced ?HIT-ter I just like listening to to guys that where actually there, I get a kick out of it.

My workouts are not HIT I don?t think just workouts

Open User Options Menu

sgb2112

oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



I think most people have tried it all already..my training history looks like this..in no particular order..

-Cybergenics Program
- Steve Holman's POF
-Stuart McRobert's Brawn
-George Turner Golden Era HVT
-Poliquin German Volume Training
-Dr. Ron Laura's Matrix training(think JREPS)
-5x5
-Calisthenics
-HIT(Heavy Duty, Dr. Darden, Yates, , PITT force, DoggCrapp)





Open User Options Menu

backtrack

If you want to increase strength, it's best done with barbells, the old fashioned way, and it's best done progressively. It's not complicated, it's not sexy and there's no gimmicks or special formulas.

A basic barbell routine, even if it only consists of the three power-lifting movements will easily yield much better results than any machine based routine.

Machines have their place, but in the main they're for people that need to get in and out. Individuals, shall we say, that have a mild interest in training, and want to do the minimal amount to take care of themselves.

Gym culture is very much in the mainstream at the moment, and interest in barbell training is surging. However, many people still don't know how to use them properly including gym instructors.

Barbell training is skill based, and that does not mean how best to cheat the bar from point A to point B. It means finding the optimal position for you, this requires constant tweaking. Training for the movements again and again, and not making it about the weight. It can become very analytical,
so if you don't have the natural skill, or the time and patience to develop yourself then machines are much better.

If you're patient and practice basic barbell movements and focus on form, the weight will take care of itself. Barbells will make you vastly stronger when you train in machines, but machines will not make you vastly stronger when training with barbells.

For someone like myself, weight training is a hobby and I could spend a lot of time just talking about how to correctly deadlift. I like practicing basic barbell movements and I consider it fun. Perhaps because of this I'm wasting time and going about things wrong, but this is what I really like to do. I'd rather do this than go to the golf course, or play with a bat and ball.
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Andy,

Fair enough, I don't mean to be short or to come off as arrogant in my comments.

I do appreciate all the input and banter.

OBS
Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

Backtrack,

Great post and I couldn't agree more.

Most people don't want to invest the time necessary to lift properly but will talk about it endlessly waste who knows how much time.

I believe a middle ground exists but again it takes a bit of time and trial & error. In our push button/microwave society if it takes too long, it won't be done as they want satisfaction now.

OBS
Open User Options Menu

entsminger

Virginia, USA

oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



==Scott==
I?ve been on here a long time, probably too long, and I can?t think of much stuff pertaining to building muscle that hasn?t been discussed on here. In fact it gets very tiring seeing it repeated over and over again through out the years and it does get repeated until you want to scream!! I guess there hasn?t been enough time spent on Gironda style high volume training and I haven?t seen drug using bodybuilders openly talking about how many injections that have each weak and so forth . On other forums it?s quite evident that these giant guys on there are on the stuff so what they have to say means nothing to us non users and I?d like the think that a distinction between this form and others is many on here are natural older guys where most of the other forums are young on the sauce get big at any cost type of guys? I could be wrong buts that?s how I see it.
Open User Options Menu

epdavis7

entsminger wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



==Scott==
I?ve been on here a long time, probably too long, and I can?t think of much stuff pertaining to building muscle that hasn?t been discussed on here. In fact it gets very tiring seeing it repeated over and over again through out the years and it does get repeated until you want to scream!! I guess there hasn?t been enough time spent on Gironda style high volume training and I haven?t seen drug using bodybuilders openly talking about how many injections that have each weak and so forth . On other forums it?s quite evident that these giant guys on there are on the stuff so what they have to say means nothing to us non users and I?d like the think that a distinction between this form and others is many on here are natural older guys where most of the other forums are young on the sauce get big at any cost type of guys? I could be wrong buts that?s how I see it.


A lot of it is staying motivated and hearing others journeys. When you train alone in your garage gym it gets easy to skip a workout. You all whether you like it or nor and whether we agree on everything or not, keep me motivated.

When I do a solo long run, sometimes I wonder if its worth and am I the only idiot toiling in the hot sun. When I show up race day and there are thousands of people I don't feel like I'm the only idiot, but that there are many of us lol.
Open User Options Menu

epdavis7

sgb2112 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



I think most people have tried it all already..my training history looks like this..in no particular order..

-Cybergenics Program
- Steve Holman's POF
-Stuart McRobert's Brawn
-George Turner Golden Era HVT
-Poliquin German Volume Training
-Dr. Ron Laura's Matrix training(think JREPS)
-5x5
-Calisthenics
-HIT(Heavy Duty, Dr. Darden, Yates, , PITT force, DoggCrapp)


- Bodyweight Calisthenics
- Arnold Schwarzegger Routine
- Routine from Inside Powerlifting
- Franco Columbo Routine
- Vince Gironda Routine
- 20 Reps Squat Drink Milk Routine
- Brief venture into Olympic Lifting
- 5 x 5 Routine
- Beyond Brawn Routine
- Arthur Jones/Dr Darden Routines
- BBS Style Routine
Open User Options Menu

epdavis7

sgb2112 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



I think most people have tried it all already..my training history looks like this..in no particular order..

-Cybergenics Program
- Steve Holman's POF
-Stuart McRobert's Brawn
-George Turner Golden Era HVT
-Poliquin German Volume Training
-Dr. Ron Laura's Matrix training(think JREPS)
-5x5
-Calisthenics
-HIT(Heavy Duty, Dr. Darden, Yates, , PITT force, DoggCrapp)







Open User Options Menu

oldbutsteady

More for the list

Bob Whelan
Bradley J Steiner
Dr. Ken Leistner
Reg Park
Dave Draper
Clarence Bass
John Grimek
George Eifermann
Bob Hoffman
Perry Radar
Bill Pearl
Clarence Ross
Steve Reeves
Marvin Eder (pound for pound one of the strongest men of all time)

OBS
Open User Options Menu

sgb2112

epdavis7 wrote:
sgb2112 wrote:
oldbutsteady wrote:
I'm not sure why but most here seem only interested in their favorite flavor of AJ's Nautilus or Dr. Darden's HIT and not much else.

That seems a bit narrow minded and self defeating if one is serious about finding out the best way to train themselves. There is a vast wealth of knowledge beyond what is posted here but few seem to care or are willing to discuss those options.

OBS



I think most people have tried it all already..my training history looks like this..in no particular order..

-Cybergenics Program
- Steve Holman's POF
-Stuart McRobert's Brawn
-George Turner Golden Era HVT
-Poliquin German Volume Training
-Dr. Ron Laura's Matrix training(think JREPS)
-5x5
-Calisthenics
-HIT(Heavy Duty, Dr. Darden, Yates, , PITT force, DoggCrapp)


- Bodyweight Calisthenics
- Arnold Schwarzegger Routine
- Routine from Inside Powerlifting
- Franco Columbo Routine
- Vince Gironda Routine
- 20 Reps Squat Drink Milk Routine
- Brief venture into Olympic Lifting
- 5 x 5 Routine
- Beyond Brawn Routine
- Arthur Jones/Dr Darden Routines
- BBS Style Routine


I figure everyone has a somewhat similar training background.

At 50 I would not consider for a minute doing some of those programs listed above again due to the risk/reward ratio and current hormonal status. It's all about holding on to muscle, cardiovascular conditioning, and a health promoting diet now for me.






Open User Options Menu
1 | 2 | Next | Last
H.I.T. Acceptable Use Policy