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robinn3403

HOW is it possible That I have lost muscle?! Lost 5 pounds of muscle Since My last dexascan. Have lost 16 pounds of fat as well but have lost 5 pounds of muscle as well. I have had my metabolic rate measured and it comes out to / 2200 calories at rest. The tech said I was not eating enough food as I am following the killing fat diet. Somewhat loosely I might add but the calories are very very close. He said I was not eating enough food. I'm getting stronger in the gym Am on HRT Test pellets cause I had VERY Low T. BUT HAVE LOST MUSCLE!!!
DR.Darden sir......HHHHEEELLLP!!
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hit4me

Florida, USA

robinn3403 wrote:
HOW is it possible That I have lost muscle?! Lost 5 pounds of muscle Since My last dexascan. Have lost 16 pounds of fat as well but have lost 5 pounds of muscle as well. I have had my metabolic rate measured and it comes out to / 2200 calories at rest. The tech said I was not eating enough food as I am following the killing fat diet. Somewhat loosely I might add but the calories are very very close. He said I was not eating enough food. I'm getting stronger in the gym Am on HRT Test pellets cause I had VERY Low T. BUT HAVE LOST MUSCLE!!!
DR.Darden sir......HHHHEEELLLP!!


how accurate is a dexascan??..and how do you look in the mirror
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Ellington Darden

I applied the dexascan machine a few times on some of my subjects in Dr. Michael Pollock's lab at the University of Florida during the 1990s. But I could not get consistent readings on fat and muscle. With several guys, it was obvious that that they were significantly stronger (and had built more muscle), but their results showed showed what you experienced.

Since then, I've relied on skinfold caliper readings, workout records, and before-and-after measurements and photos to determine my overall results.

Ellington

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Crotalus

robinn3403 wrote:
HOW is it possible That I have lost muscle?! Lost 5 pounds of muscle Since My last dexascan. Have lost 16 pounds of fat as well


I understand the concerns about the scan , but how do you look ? Are you looking worse or better than before your current diet/workout routine ?

I'm asking because many times people get so caught up in the numbers and high-tech bullshit and over look how much better they look. If you're looking better, feeling better and stronger than to Hell with the scans.


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HeavyHitter32

Ellington Darden wrote:
I applied the dexascan machine a few times on some of my subjects in Dr. Michael Pollock's lab at the University of Florida during the 1990s. But I could not get consistent readings on fat and muscle. With several guys, it was obvious that that they were significantly stronger (and had built more muscle), but their results showed showed what you experienced.

Since then, I've relied on skinfold caliper readings, workout records, and before-and-after measurements and photos to determine my overall results.

Ellington



This is exactly what I was thinking.
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robinn3403

hit4me wrote:
robinn3403 wrote:
HOW is it possible That I have lost muscle?! Lost 5 pounds of muscle Since My last dexascan. Have lost 16 pounds of fat as well but have lost 5 pounds of muscle as well. I have had my metabolic rate measured and it comes out to / 2200 calories at rest. The tech said I was not eating enough food as I am following the killing fat diet. Somewhat loosely I might add but the calories are very very close. He said I was not eating enough food. I'm getting stronger in the gym Am on HRT Test pellets cause I had VERY Low T. BUT HAVE LOST MUSCLE!!!
DR.Darden sir......HHHHEEELLLP!!


how accurate is a dexascan??..and how do you look in the mirror


Got some fat to lose yet but HAVE NOT lost strength and I can see the muscle built. Mentzer sd years ago and I'm sure someone told him "as long as you are getting stronger your on the right track". Thanks!
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robinn3403

Ellington Darden wrote:
I applied the dexascan machine a few times on some of my subjects in Dr. Michael Pollock's lab at the University of Florida during the 1990s. But I could not get consistent readings on fat and muscle. With several guys, it was obvious that that they were significantly stronger (and had built more muscle), but their results showed showed what you experienced.

Since then, I've relied on skinfold caliper readings, workout records, and before-and-after measurements and photos to determine my overall results.

Ellington


Think the machine would be more accurate now than then? Wish you lived closer so I could get you to caliper me!
I have not lost any strength and am even on the Test Pellets so.......Is it possible I might to far under the BMR? Had any subjects that have that issue?
Thanks Dr. D!
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robinn3403

Ellington Darden wrote:
I applied the dexascan machine a few times on some of my subjects in Dr. Michael Pollock's lab at the University of Florida during the 1990s. But I could not get consistent readings on fat and muscle. With several guys, it was obvious that that they were significantly stronger (and had built more muscle), but their results showed showed what you experienced.

Since then, I've relied on skinfold caliper readings, workout records, and before-and-after measurements and photos to determine my overall results.

Ellington


Think the machine would be more accurate now than then? Wish you lived closer so I could get you to caliper me!
I have not lost any strength and am even on the Test Pellets so.......Is it possible I might to far under the BMR? Had any subjects that have that issue?
Thanks Dr. D!
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jastrain

Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

jastrain wrote:
Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.


what you propose did not work for me...I did not start losing bodyfat until I did the 30-10-30 and eating lifestyle from the book Killing Fat

atkins, paleo, keto, low carb, no carb, carnivore, vegan, intermittent fasting did not help me lose any body fat or even lose any weight for that matter

I am on the carb rich, 5x a day eating lifestyle along with 30-10-30 and lost 15 lbs this year, I am stronger, leaner and feel a lot better
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

===Scott==
My initial thoughts on going through Dexascans and using calipers, etc to test fat lose is if I ever got that obsessed with fat lose , just shoot me ! Ha ha !
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Chris H

hit4me wrote:
jastrain wrote:
Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.

what you propose did not work for me...I did not start losing bodyfat until I did the 30-10-30 and eating lifestyle from the book Killing Fat

atkins, paleo, keto, low carb, no carb, carnivore, vegan, intermittent fasting did not help me lose any body fat or even lose any weight for that matter

I am on the carb rich, 5x a day eating lifestyle along with 30-10-30 and lost 15 lbs this year, I am stronger, leaner and feel a lot better


if you don't mind could you list a typical days diet,that you using right now.
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hit4me

Florida, USA

Chris H wrote:
hit4me wrote:
jastrain wrote:
Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.

what you propose did not work for me...I did not start losing bodyfat until I did the 30-10-30 and eating lifestyle from the book Killing Fat

atkins, paleo, keto, low carb, no carb, carnivore, vegan, intermittent fasting did not help me lose any body fat or even lose any weight for that matter

I am on the carb rich, 5x a day eating lifestyle along with 30-10-30 and lost 15 lbs this year, I am stronger, leaner and feel a lot better

if you don't mind could you list a typical days diet,that you using right now.


bfast---1 or 2 eggs, 1 cup oatmeal with 1/2 cup unsweetened almond milk and blueberries
snack---banana with 1 tsp peanut butter (jif natural)
lunch---5 oz chicken breast or other meat, sweet potato, salad (lettuce, cucumber and tomatoes) with skinny girl dressing
snack---apple and 1 tsp peanut butter
dinner---same as lunch (generally)

avg 160 to 180 gr carbs
avg 40 to 60 gr fat
avg 70 to 90 gr protein
avg anywhere between 1500 to 1800 calories

I do have 2 to 3 cups coffee with a little cream

gallon ice water thru out the day
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Average Al

robinn3403 wrote:
Ellington Darden wrote:
I applied the dexascan machine a few times on some of my subjects in Dr. Michael Pollock's lab at the University of Florida during the 1990s. But I could not get consistent readings on fat and muscle. With several guys, it was obvious that that they were significantly stronger (and had built more muscle), but their results showed showed what you experienced.

Since then, I've relied on skinfold caliper readings, workout records, and before-and-after measurements and photos to determine my overall results.

Ellington


Think the machine would be more accurate now than then? Wish you lived closer so I could get you to caliper me!
I have not lost any strength and am even on the Test Pellets so.......Is it possible I might to far under the BMR? Had any subjects that have that issue?
Thanks Dr. D!


Although I have seen it referred to as the Gold Standard for body composition testing, it is subject to errors from variations in hydration and the glycogen content of the muscle. Creatine use can also affect the results. Were you fasted before the second test, but not the first? Maybe you were carb loaded when you started, and then glycogen depleted for the second test owing to the low calorie diet?
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epdavis7

hit4me wrote:
Chris H wrote:
hit4me wrote:
jastrain wrote:
Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.

what you propose did not work for me...I did not start losing bodyfat until I did the 30-10-30 and eating lifestyle from the book Killing Fat

atkins, paleo, keto, low carb, no carb, carnivore, vegan, intermittent fasting did not help me lose any body fat or even lose any weight for that matter

I am on the carb rich, 5x a day eating lifestyle along with 30-10-30 and lost 15 lbs this year, I am stronger, leaner and feel a lot better

if you don't mind could you list a typical days diet,that you using right now.

bfast---1 or 2 eggs, 1 cup oatmeal with 1/2 cup unsweetened almond milk and blueberries
snack---banana with 1 tsp peanut butter (jif natural)
lunch---5 oz chicken breast or other meat, sweet potato, salad (lettuce, cucumber and tomatoes) with skinny girl dressing
snack---apple and 1 tsp peanut butter
dinner---same as lunch (generally)

avg 160 to 180 gr carbs
avg 40 to 60 gr fat
avg 70 to 90 gr protein
avg anywhere between 1500 to 1800 calories

I do have 2 to 3 cups coffee with a little cream

gallon ice water thru out the day


I eat fairly clean also

Breakfast
A hard boiled egg and a banana

Snack
Raisins mixed with almonds
Banana

Lunch
Salad with tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, grilled chicken and a small bag of carrots

Snack
2 oranges and a small container of strawberries

Dinner
Small piece of steak, hamburger or fish
Small yellow potatoes
Mixed veggies

Snack
Cheese cubes
Almonds

Gallon of water and a ton of black coffee lol.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

I eat fairly clean also

Breakfast
A hard boiled egg and a banana

Snack
Raisins mixed with almonds
Banana

Lunch
Salad with tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, grilled chicken and a small bag of carrots

Snack
2 oranges and a small container of strawberries

Dinner
Small piece of steak, hamburger or fish
Small yellow potatoes
Mixed veggies

Snack
Cheese cubes
Almonds

Gallon of water and a ton of black coffee lol.

==Scott==
Wow, what dedication!! Boy the way you eat you must look like that Andy Mccutcheon guy on the front page of this site! So you never eat a cookie or icecream or any junk snacks?? Even in my health nut days I always ate some junk.
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epdavis7

entsminger wrote:
I eat fairly clean also

Breakfast
A hard boiled egg and a banana

Snack
Raisins mixed with almonds
Banana

Lunch
Salad with tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, grilled chicken and a small bag of carrots

Snack
2 oranges and a small container of strawberries

Dinner
Small piece of steak, hamburger or fish
Small yellow potatoes
Mixed veggies

Snack
Cheese cubes
Almonds

Gallon of water and a ton of black coffee lol.

==Scott==
Wow, what dedication!! Boy the way you eat you must look like that Andy Mccutcheon guy on the front page of this site! So you never eat a cookie or icecream or any junk snacks?? Even in my health nut days I always ate some junk.


Scott I eat 2-3 cheat meals a week as mentioned in the cardio thread. I don't go crazy and overindulge though. Today for example I will go to SAMs club to do my shopping. I will have a slice of pizza, a beef hotdog and my once weekly diet coke. Thats 1 of 2-3 cheat meals weekly. Real food just tastes better to me since I broke the sugar addiction.
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

How do you look (and feel) regardless of the #'s?
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Chris H

hit4me wrote:
Chris H wrote:
hit4me wrote:
jastrain wrote:
Just eat veggies meat fish cheese. And avoid all sugar breads rice pasta Basically all processed carbs. The only carbs u should eat are from green veggies this will cause your body to burn its own fat and not only will no muscle be lost. U will also gain muscle mass. Low carb high protein is nutrient dense and are not stored as fat like the processed carbs. When u cut calories with the traditional high carb western diet. U are not getting enough nutrients. Hence what u experienced is the norm. A loss of muscle along with fat. It is the opposite with the Atkins low carb type diet. It?s basically how the old school bodybuilders eat Before the extreme steroid abuse of today. It?s science. And the results will be dramatic. If u are very strict with the low carb 30 grams or less per day for 4 to 6 months. U will be shredded and stronger. It takes a few weeks to become keto adapted you?ll lack a bit of strength and energy but after that adaption phase. Bam you?ll have more energy and strength then u has prior to starting this diet. Very easy to follow eat as much as u want in the beginning and after u become adapted. You?ll end up eating a lot less because your insulin receptors will heal and u won?t get extreme hunger like with the processed carbs that are high in calories and low in nutrients.

what you propose did not work for me...I did not start losing bodyfat until I did the 30-10-30 and eating lifestyle from the book Killing Fat

atkins, paleo, keto, low carb, no carb, carnivore, vegan, intermittent fasting did not help me lose any body fat or even lose any weight for that matter

I am on the carb rich, 5x a day eating lifestyle along with 30-10-30 and lost 15 lbs this year, I am stronger, leaner and feel a lot better

if you don't mind could you list a typical days diet,that you using right now.

bfast---1 or 2 eggs, 1 cup oatmeal with 1/2 cup unsweetened almond milk and blueberries
snack---banana with 1 tsp peanut butter (jif natural)
lunch---5 oz chicken breast or other meat, sweet potato, salad (lettuce, cucumber and tomatoes) with skinny girl dressing
snack---apple and 1 tsp peanut butter
dinner---same as lunch (generally)

avg 160 to 180 gr carbs
avg 40 to 60 gr fat
avg 70 to 90 gr protein
avg anywhere between 1500 to 1800 calories

I do have 2 to 3 cups coffee with a little cream

gallon ice water thru out the day


thanks
Looks good, healthy and balanced to me.
I need to go under 100g of carbs to get lean however and slightly higher on both fats and proteins, but in between cutting, that's a sound approach your following.
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