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Daoust

I have been doing HIT for some time with great strength gain but I was wondering, does any research have been done on hyperplesia by Ellington Darden or even Artur Jones?

Is there a way to stress the muscle while doing HIT and create hyperplesia?

The subject is new to me and I find it interesting.

Thank you
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Average Al

Daoust wrote:
I have been doing HIT for some time with great strength gain but I was wondering, does any research have been done on hyperplesia by Ellington Darden or even Artur Jones?

Is there a way to stress the muscle while doing HIT and create hyperplesia?

The subject is new to me and I find it interesting.

Thank you


There is some evidence from animal studies that muscle hyperplasia can occur with training. However, I believe the animals need to be killed in order to produce the data. So the techniques used in these studies cannot be applied to humans.

In humans, only indirect evidence exists, and there does not seem to be a clear consensus on whether or not it happens. Given that, I don't think you will find much guidance anywhere on how to train for maximum muscle hyperplasia.
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HeavyHitter32

I recall something about this in Fred Hatfield's book, The Science of Bodybuilding (or something like that) he discusses his idea on how to train if this phenomenon is at all possible in humans. I recall he believed faster, higher reps would be more likely to cause it if it could happen at all.
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Average Al

Here is a summary from a guy who used to do research in this field. He personally believes it happens. The article is interesting, but does not offer much in the way of specific training advice.

http://www.theissnscoop.com/...er-hyperplasia/
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Lioncourt

There is still a decent amount of mystery around hypertrophy and hyperplasia is starting to be believed to be a natural part of it. The short answer is that strength training leads to an increase of satellite cells by increasing muscle fiber size that eventually will trigger hyperplasia. So just by triggering hypertrophy you eventually will get it.


The bird studies where they demonstrated it they had to hang weights off their wings for 24 hours a day for weeks at a time. Not very feesible for a human.
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Daoust

Thank you all, so for what I understand, it not commum in HIT training to achieve hyperplasia. It need to be on the volume side. There is one youtuber who allways talk about it but when he train, he train 4hours each time in double split routine, 2 times a week. The problem with that youtuber is that he don t look that strong and he have alot of fat, so it is hard to see if is result are good.


https://youtu.be/ihkPXRb5PUs
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Average Al

Daoust wrote:
Thank you all, so for what I understand, it not commum in HIT training to achieve hyperplasia. It need to be on the volume side. There is one youtuber who allways talk about it but when he train, he train 4hours each time in double split routine, 2 times a week. The problem with that youtuber is that he don t look that strong and he have alot of fat, so it is hard to see if is result are good.


https://youtu.be/...XRb5PUs



Even if someone's results are good, that might say more about their particular natural endowments than their training routine.

The results of bird studies suggest that long periods under stretch produce hyperplasia, so that leads people to speculate that high volume routines are required. However, there are studies with cats and rats where hyperplasia was observed even when muscles were overloaded in a more traditional manner (i.e., long periods of time under stretch were not used). So what does that suggest?

Basically, there is no way of hoping to understand what is going on inside your muscles as they get bigger, unless you regularly cut out hunks of muscle tissue and do a biopsy to characterize the size distribution of fibers in the muscle. I'd be surprised if this YouTuber is having muscle biopsies done (I haven't watched the whole video).

It does seem plausible to me that when muscle fibers get bigger from training, they may reach a point where they split to produce new fibers, because further increases in size are not possible. In that case, training for maximum hypertrophy would be the default way to produce hyperplasia. Of course, how best to train for maximum hypertrophy has been beaten to death here.

The other wild card is steroids (as is often the case). The science guys say it all starts with activating satellite cells and myonuclei. And there is now evidence that using steroids permanently increases the density of myonuclei in your muscle tissue. So steroid use might also facilitate hyperplasia?
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Chris H

Daoust wrote:
Thank you all, so for what I understand, it not commum in HIT training to achieve hyperplasia. It need to be on the volume side. There is one youtuber who allways talk about it but when he train, he train 4hours each time in double split routine, 2 times a week. The problem with that youtuber is that he don t look that strong and he have alot of fat, so it is hard to see if is result are good.


https://youtu.be/...XRb5PUs


what exactly is this Guy advocating.
i scanned a few of his vids, but they are just a repeat of his position.
i get the 2 days of high vol training, 7 days off, but could not see if that's whole body high vol 2x per week, or a split over those 2 training days
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Daoust

His training is split routine on weekend only. Each exercise is 5 x 10 . I don t take him seriusly at all, he make me laugth but at the same time, i don t know everything and he get my attention when he was talking about hyperplesia.

So basicly from what I understand, nobody can claim hyperplesia if we don t have medical evidence by a biopsy. Nice point.

Thank you
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Chris H

Daoust wrote:
His training is split routine on weekend only. Each exercise is 5 x 10 . I don t take him seriusly at all, he make me laugth but at the same time, i don t know everything and he get my attention when he was talking about hyperplesia.

So basicly from what I understand, nobody can claim hyperplesia if we don t have medical evidence by a biopsy. Nice point.

Thank you


yeah, the more i watch this Guy, i realize his an idiot "you get me"
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HDLou

Wow, that can talks a lot without really saying anything.
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