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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

2 large amateur bodybuilder's appeared on Dr. Dardens books in the late 80's early 90's. Who had the better physique:

James Hellwig (Ultimate Warrior)

Keith Whitley

I liked both of them and met Keith in person (biggest muscular guy I ever met).



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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian A Schamber wrote:
2 large amateur bodybuilder's appeared on Dr. Dardens books in the late 80's early 90's. Who had the better physique:

James Hellwig (Ultimate Warrior)

Keith Whitley

I liked both of them and met Keith in person (biggest muscular guy I ever met).

==Scott==
How about posting their pictures
so we can see them?


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Castiron

Sadly, I believe both are dead, having died at relatively early ages too.
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ptcrusader

TMZ reported that Brian Hellwig's cause of death was cardiovascular disease. James Hellwig died April 8,2014 outside an Arizona hotel just days after being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Dieing at the age of 54 has to be considered when discussing "potential." So does drug use.

Nancy Grace hosted a segment on the Ultimate Warrior Jim Hellwig's cause of death. She questioned former WWE wrestler Diamond Dallas Page on steroids. Apparently, Hellwig admitted to some that at one time he had used steroids. Page said, "Yeah back in the day, we all used them back in the day... Certain guys wanted a certain edge, and I tell ya, I tried it back when I was a kid too... it's something that once that's in your body I guess you're gonna have some ramifications from that, without question... But Jim Hellwig he was a passionate individual towards working out, big time. And if you look at him today he was nowhere near as big as he was back then."

So are we discussing potential with or without steroids? Steroid abuse has been linked to a range of adverse health conditions, including cardiovascular disease,hypogonadism, testicular atrophy, impaired spermatogenesis, gynaecomastia, and psychiatric disturbance. Ultimate physique or Physique by PID?
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

Whatever you want to make of it, PED or not, just compare the 2 specimens. I know both died before age 55 and did what they had to do to attempt to get a pro card. I don't really care about the juice one way or another.
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

I tried, to upload one, but am a bit of a techno-tard.

Super High Intensity Bodybuilding 1986

Bigger Muscles in 42 Days 1992
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ptcrusader

Fair enough Brian. Not withstanding the drug use, I did have an opportunity to see both. As I recall, Keith Whitely had a much larger frame and thus more potential for growth, IMO. (Unless of course you are talking about Keith Whitely the country singer... LOL.)
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

Both were 6'1-6'2' at there largest and weighed about 280-285. Hellwig quit " competitive bodybuilding" at age 26 in 1985 and Whitley quit at age 34 in 1992. I was just trying to see what people would say because they were both about the same height and weight.
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ptcrusader

Just saying to me Ultimate Warrior Hellwig seemed to have a little smaller frame but I never saw them stand side by side nor did I ever measure them.

What I can say about James Hellwig is that he was the first one I saw with restrictive blood flow bands. The tassels were for show, but the arm bands worn under the biceps seemed to maintain his pump longer than the wrestlers who did not wear them. Not sure James followed the time limits suggested by modern day trainers to avoid clots, but he looked great and was an outstanding athlete.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

Brian A Schamber wrote:
Whatever you want to make of it, PED or not, just compare the 2 specimens. I know both died before age 55 and did what they had to do to attempt to get a pro card. I don't really care about the juice one way or another.


==Scott==
Yea when they get that big there's pretty much no question they are on some kind of juice so that's not even a factor. Other than bone structure I guess you could compare muscle belly length?
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Castiron

Drugs or not, they both had significant potential that was realized, as their development showed.
They also had much different types of physiques. One thing obvious on Helwig is the relative proportions - he had a small pelvis and literally no glutes. This made his shoulders and upper back appear much broader.
Not to debate PEDs, but reality is that they will take anyone to a higher lever than they would be able to achieve without. BUT - PEDs alone will not turn just anyone into a champ. Those guys are born. Think of it this way, if PEDs never existed, but bodybuilding/strength sports did, my bet is that the relative ranking of folks would be the same, just the level and records would be lesser. Just my two cents.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

e first one I saw with restrictive blood flow bands

==Scott==
Boy that sounds like something I'd never want to try.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

==Scott==
I do have to say that that picture of Hellwig on the cover of that super High Intensity book sold that book more than anything. It was like Darden unleashes the Frankenstein monster workout!!
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Average Al

Castiron wrote:
Drugs or not, they both had significant potential that was realized, as their development showed.
They also had much different types of physiques. One thing obvious on Helwig is the relative proportions - he had a small pelvis and literally no glutes. This made his shoulders and upper back appear much broader.
Not to debate PEDs, but reality is that they will take anyone to a higher lever than they would be able to achieve without. BUT - PEDs alone will not turn just anyone into a champ. Those guys are born. Think of it this way, if PEDs never existed, but bodybuilding/strength sports did, my bet is that the relative ranking of folks would be the same, just the level and records would be lesser. Just my two cents.


Several years ago I read an article in a fitness magazine regarding steroids. The author was a fitness enthusiast who was relating his experience with steroids. He clearly had bigger muscles after using steroids, but he lacked the other attributes you need to be a good body builder - he didn't have the right proportions and, especially didn't have the long muscle bellies. The result was a physique that looked odd, kind of lumpy, if you will. Some of the muscle groups looked too thick for the length of the muscle, and hence didn't have appealing proportions.

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ptcrusader

Pretty sure we have explored this type of training on here before. Interestingly enough, it was discussed as a new trend or a new approach as a way of stimulating muscle gain with less weight. Pubmed published a systematic review and meta-analysis that suggests that LL-BFR and walking with BFR may be an effective approach to stimulate muscle hypertrophy and strength gains in an older population. Further research is needed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...pubmed/30306467
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Brian A Schamber

Texas, USA

My final thoughts:

They were both huge and it is too close to call.

On a side note, on page 27 of Super High Intensity Bodybuilding there is a picture of a unnamed model (who was a training partner of Bertil Fox) who later went on to make money in pro wresting as...Sting

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Brian A Schamber wrote:
My final thoughts:

They were both huge and it is too close to call.

On a side note, on page 27 of Super High Intensity Bodybuilding there is a picture of a unnamed model (who was a training partner of Bertil Fox) who later went on to make money in pro wresting as...Sting



A little wrestling trivia. Sting and Hellwig got their start in the early/mid 80s as a tag team called the Blade Runners.

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