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HeavyHitter32

sirloin wrote:
Average Al wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
great interview with Randy Roach, its too bad there is no video footage of the experiment, with all the video recorders that Arthur had you would have thought it would have been recorded....or was it and the footage was lost or destroyed.

I was always amazed at how *little* strength Casey seems to have gained for all the muscle he put on.


Not sure what you mean....i was under the impression that Casey was extremely strong


That?s in regards to his strength from the start of the experiment to the end. It didn?t change drastically during the workouts. Still stronger than us mere mortals.

Maybe negative focused routines are not as effective for strength?

This is why i believe Casey WAS on drugs / recovery enhancers, if he was as strong as they say and on a negative focus program, the damage he could have inflected upon himself would have been great, without RE's it would have taken him at least a week to repair and remodel from each workout, i dont care how "genetically gifted" he was or how much he ate.
But of course, it was taken on faith that he wasnt using, scouts honor and everything;)



Agreed. I think he was definitely using them. Just because no one saw him inject/take-in and took him by his word doesn't mean he wasn't on them. lol
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cmg

Great job Michael! Very professional and interesting!

Thank you,
Ron
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Equity

sirloin wrote:
Average Al wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
great interview with Randy Roach, its too bad there is no video footage of the experiment, with all the video recorders that Arthur had you would have thought it would have been recorded....or was it and the footage was lost or destroyed.

I was always amazed at how *little* strength Casey seems to have gained for all the muscle he put on.


Not sure what you mean....i was under the impression that Casey was extremely strong


That?s in regards to his strength from the start of the experiment to the end. It didn?t change drastically during the workouts. Still stronger than us mere mortals.

Maybe negative focused routines are not as effective for strength?

This is why i believe Casey WAS on drugs / recovery enhancers, if he was as strong as they say and on a negative focus program, the damage he could have inflected upon himself would have been great, without RE's it would have taken him at least a week to repair and remodel from each workout, i dont care how "genetically gifted" he was or how much he ate.
But of course, it was taken on faith that he wasnt using, scouts honor and everything;)



It's a tad odd that those who claimed he was using drugs were the same people who claimed he was 'doing extra evening workouts' (which would add to the recovery issue).

I'm not contradicting you're opinion but those other peoples (over several decades)'facts'.

Those workouts would be so brutal that the recovery factor would have been immense(as we both agree) given his inactivity. Yet he needed 'extra workouts' because the stimulus was not enough? (according to certain notables in the bb community). But required drugs to grow ( not recover) because the experiment on it's own wasn't sufficient?!!!

Regards.

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sirloin

Equity wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Average Al wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
great interview with Randy Roach, its too bad there is no video footage of the experiment, with all the video recorders that Arthur had you would have thought it would have been recorded....or was it and the footage was lost or destroyed.

I was always amazed at how *little* strength Casey seems to have gained for all the muscle he put on.


Not sure what you mean....i was under the impression that Casey was extremely strong


That?s in regards to his strength from the start of the experiment to the end. It didn?t change drastically during the workouts. Still stronger than us mere mortals.

Maybe negative focused routines are not as effective for strength?

This is why i believe Casey WAS on drugs / recovery enhancers, if he was as strong as they say and on a negative focus program, the damage he could have inflected upon himself would have been great, without RE's it would have taken him at least a week to repair and remodel from each workout, i dont care how "genetically gifted" he was or how much he ate.
But of course, it was taken on faith that he wasnt using, scouts honor and everything;)



It's a tad odd that those who claimed he was using drugs were the same people who claimed he was 'doing extra evening workouts' (which would add to the recovery issue).

I'm not contradicting you're opinion but those other peoples (over several decades)'facts'.

Those workouts would be so brutal that the recovery factor would have been immense(as we both agree) given his inactivity. Yet he needed 'extra workouts' because the stimulus was not enough? (according to certain notables in the bb community). But required drugs to grow ( not recover) because the experiment on it's own wasn't sufficient?!!!

Regards.



I agree, for the most part its the detractors of HIT take that stance, the same was said about Boyer Coe.
I dont know much about Casey sneaking in extra workouts, but we can say for sure that the muscle damage from each of those brutal workouts would have been great.

It can also be said, Casey wasnt at his best by the end of the study, but he was close, and we know when he was at his best he was using....a lot (by his own admission).
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sirloin

HeavyHitter32 wrote:
sirloin wrote:
Average Al wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
Lioncourt wrote:
hit4me wrote:
great interview with Randy Roach, its too bad there is no video footage of the experiment, with all the video recorders that Arthur had you would have thought it would have been recorded....or was it and the footage was lost or destroyed.

I was always amazed at how *little* strength Casey seems to have gained for all the muscle he put on.


Not sure what you mean....i was under the impression that Casey was extremely strong


That?s in regards to his strength from the start of the experiment to the end. It didn?t change drastically during the workouts. Still stronger than us mere mortals.

Maybe negative focused routines are not as effective for strength?

This is why i believe Casey WAS on drugs / recovery enhancers, if he was as strong as they say and on a negative focus program, the damage he could have inflected upon himself would have been great, without RE's it would have taken him at least a week to repair and remodel from each workout, i dont care how "genetically gifted" he was or how much he ate.
But of course, it was taken on faith that he wasnt using, scouts honor and everything;)



Agreed. I think he was definitely using them. Just because no one saw him inject/take-in and took him by his word doesn't mean he wasn't on them. lol


Yup, and the fact he was given a large financal insentive for pounds of muscle gained, id say he used.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

== Scott==
I don?t think it really mattered if he was using steroids during the experiment. The bottom line is most of his great gains were just regaining what he previously had plus possibly a tad more because Jones was pushing him harder and he was eating like a monster with the intent on getting bigger and stronger as fast as possible.
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sirloin

entsminger wrote:
== Scott==
I don?t think it really mattered if he was using steroids during the experiment. The bottom line is most of his great gains were just regaining what he previously had plus possibly a tad more because Jones was pushing him harder and he was eating like a monster with the intent on getting bigger and stronger as fast as possible.


Oh it mattered...all the way to the bank baby!!
Casey had previously used steriods to achieve the original look that he had, and your saying he not only regained that muscle in record time, but possibly more without steriods?? Good grief, theres people out there that could sell sand to the Arabs.
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Average Al

entsminger wrote:
== Scott==
I don?t think it really mattered if he was using steroids during the experiment. The bottom line is most of his great gains were just regaining what he previously had plus possibly a tad more because Jones was pushing him harder and he was eating like a monster with the intent on getting bigger and stronger as fast as possible.


I read an article recently where Casey himself was quoted as saying that the experiment was a tribute to the power of "muscle memory". Unfortunately, can't find the link right now.

As for the role of steroids: Suppose he had used steroids to reach his peak condition for the Mr. America title. Once he had the injury, and was hospitalized, I think it is reasonable to assume he went off them, just for practical considerations. Since steroid use suppresses natural testosterone production, low T would then likely have contributed to the loss of strength and muscle mass that happened during the illness.

If, after getting out of the hospital, Jones started paying him to get even smaller, he probably would not have resumed at that point.

But once he started training again, with all those negative only exercises? With testosterone still naturally suppressed from going off steroids, and the additional impact of stress from a serious illness, it hardly seems likely that he could have handled that kind of damage inflicting exercise program, no matter how good his muscle memory was. He probably would have felt terrible and struggled with recovery if he hadn't gone back on whatever he might have been using before.

Of course, the above assumes that he actually did use steroids at some point. Some want to believe he didn't, others are sure he did. It will probably remain a point of controversy as long as the Colorado Experiment still gets attention.
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entsminger

Virginia, USA

=== Scott ===
It?s ridiculous to think Casey wasn?t on some kind of steroids before and after the experiment . All those big guys surrounding him were on something , no question.
Casey was lucky to have been around near the beginning of Nautilus to have been Jones guinea pig through out those fabulous early Nautilus years. Those were very important years in my development and watching Casey was a big part of that. I hope I never forget that period. It was magical !!
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